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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2430 on: December 18, 2024, 08:24:00 PM »
Revisiting the wrapping up of the close captioning/subtltles for Scene 88 and dealing with Scene 89:

...

First up:

After having a couple more sips of wine before getting up, Alex raises his glass as if in a toast and delivers another unscripted "A little more wine", to which Quentin mouths "A little more wine" under his breath as he walks to Alex and Alex' line is acknowledged in the subtitles -


- but not in the closed captioning - and Quentin mouthing the words can be seen in the video in Reply #869 - and that concludes Scene 88.

And when it comes to Scene 89, as they're exiting the Dining Room, Quentin stops Alex and says, "I'm having more of those crazy daydreams," which the subtitles gets exactly, but the closed captioning has -


- and Alex replies with, "Wanna talk about it?" but the subtitles and the closed captioning each has their our variation of that -




- and to that Quentin asks, "Can you come over tomorrow?", which is reflected correctly in both the subtitles and the closed captioning - and at first Alex replies with an unscripted "Sure," which is acknowledged in both the subtitles and the closed captioning -




- and for some strange reason the closed captioning has Quentin responding with -


- which he doesn't say - but what does happen is Alex replies a second time and adds an unscripted "Okay," which both the subtitles and the closed captioning acknowledges -




And that's the end of what we need to deal with when it comes to Scene 89.

...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2431 on: December 19, 2024, 12:20:00 AM »
The next quote in the slideshow to revisit doesn't come until Scene 97, so there's a lot to deal with before we get there:


...

90     INT - MASTER BEDROOM - NIGHT                     90

       Tracy and Quentin are asleep in the B.G.  Through
       the window, the Tower Room is visible.  As we watch,
       a faint glow begins to appear.  Quentin begins to
       stir.  Finally, he opens his eyes and looks up at
       the tower.  Then getting out of bed, he puts on his
       robe and EXITS the room.

91     INT - SECOND FLOOR - CORRIDOR                    91

       as Quentin comes TOWARD CAMERA and goes up the
       stairs toward the third floor.

92     INT - TOWER ROOM - NIGHT                         92

       The room glows with a strange iridescent light.
       Slowly, the door begins to open by itself revealing
       Quentin coming up the stairs,  As he ENTERS the
       room he stops at the doorway - a look of great
       anticipation on his face.  TRUCK IN ON HIS CLOSE-UP.

       ANGELIQUE - QUENTIN'S P.O.V.

       A strangely opalescent Angelique lies there holding
       her arms out to him.  HOLD ON THIS as he goes to
       her ghostly embrace.

93     INT - FOYER - NIGHT

       The foyer is dark as the door opens and an angry
       Gerard quietly ENTERS.  He carries a vicious-
       looking club.

94     INT - FIRST FLOOR CORRIDOR - NIGHT               94

       CAMERA TRUCKS IN FRONT OF HIM as he comes toward
       the stairs.

95     INT - TOWER ROOM STAIRS - NIGHT                  95

       as Gerard moving noiselessly slowly climbs to the
       closed door.  He pauses to listen.  The SOFT
       SOUNDS OF LOVEMAKING can be heard.  TRUCK IN ON HIS
       FACE.  It is now insane with jealous rage.  Now




95     CONTD                                     CONTD  95

       there is the SOUND OF ANGELIQUE'S LAUGHTER and
       finally he explodes.  Throwing the door open, he
       sees Angelique and Quentin locked in a passionate
       embrace.

96     INT - TOWER ROOM - NIGHT - HAND-HELD             96

       In one cat-like move Gerard attacks.  He and Quentin
       are on the floor with Gerard about to beat his
       brains out.  All of a sudden he SHRIEKS IN PAIN
       as the ghostly figure of Angelique claws him again
       and again.  Blood shows on his face as he drops his
       club and tries to protect himself,  In an instant
       Quentin is all over him and there is no doubt about
       his intentions.  He is trying to kill him.

       Throughout the fight INTERCUT QUICK SHOTS of Gabriel
       in the place of Gerard,  These will look like all
       the other memory cuts and will always be from
       Quentin's P.O.V. so that it looks like he thinks
       he is fighting Gabriel.

97     INT - TOWER STAIRWAY                             97

       as the two of them come crashing down the stairs
       INTO CAMERA, Quentin ends up on top, choking the
       life out of Gerard.

                             QUENTIN
                 She's mine, brother!...She's mine!


And as for what's different when it comes to the dialogue, Quentin's line as he chokes Gerard is dropped in the film. However, it was a part of the original Movies Quotes Slideshow:


NoDS: Scene #97 - Quentin (to Gerard): 'She's mine brother!
...She's mine!'

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2432 on: December 19, 2024, 04:00:16 PM »
And revisiting the differences between how Scenes 90 through the beginning of Scene 97 appear in the script and how they play in the film:

...

And as for what's different in the descriptions and directions, at the outset of Scene 90, we do not see Tracy and Quentin asleep in the background because the scene begins immediately with a shot of the Tower Room visible through the window, and it isn't until after we see the glow appear in the Tower Room windows that we see Quentin and Tracy asleep - and almost immediately upon seeing them we see Quentin open his eyes, but he doesn't look at the Tower Room immediately because he simply stares into space for several beats before he begins to sit up in bed and then turn toward the direction of the window - and we do not see Quentin actually get out of bed, or put on his robe, or exit the room. And when it comes to Scene 91, a dressed Quentin is seen walking away from the camera before he turns to begin to go up a set of stairs - and then we see his P.O.V. as he makes his way -


- through a corridor. And when it comes to Scene 92, at first we actually see the unfinished portrait of Angelique and the empty couch as both -


- are bathed in the glow of candles before the camera pans over to show the door to the Tower Room open, and before we see Quentin, we actually see his shadow as -


- he gets closer and closer to the open door - and Quentin does not stop at the doorway or have a look of great anticipation on his face, nor is there a close-up on his face because he simply enters the room and moves toward Angelique -


- whose ghost has suddenly appeared on the couch. And when it comes to Scene 93, DC's script actually crosses out the establishment of the scene taking place in the foyer and draws an arrow up from Scene 94 to indicate that both the events of Scenes 93 & 94 take place in the first floor corridor - also we don't actually see Gerard's face come through the doors on the first floor corridor -


- only his legs - it isn't until he reaches the stairs -


- that we see his face. And we actually see more of Quentin and Angelique -

- making out before Scene 95 comes up and we see Gerard making his way up the Tower Room stairs - and while we once again see Quentin and Angelique making out, we do not hear the sounds of lovemaking as Gerard pauses to listen or the sound of Angelique laughing as Gerard finally explodes - though we also don't see Gerard throw open the door or see Quentin and Angelique locked in a passionate embrace. What actually takes place is that at the outset of Scene 96 we see Quentin and Angelique making out when suddenly Quentin pulls away from Angelique to turn -


- and look behind him to see the irate Gerard -


- brandishing the club - but when Gerard attacks him, Quentin doesn't fall onto the floor, he falls backward onto the couch -


- and he already sees -


- Gerard as Gabriel - and we see Angelique rush to scratch both the faces of Gabriel -


- and Gerard -


- but we don't hear Gerard shriek in pain - and after Gerard has become disoriented by Angelique's attack is when Quentin gets up from the couch and begins to fight Gerard, often seeing him as Gabriel. And when it comes to Scene 97, after Gerard tumbles down the tower stairway, Quentin violently kicks him down even further, and Gerard desperately tries to get away only to be tackled by Quentin, it is Gabriel -


- that Quentin continues to see as he chokes Gerard.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2433 on: December 19, 2024, 07:32:20 PM »
Revisiting stills from Scene 96:

Here are the first batch of stills for Scene 96. First up, a rare still I've never seen shared anywhere:


(Click here for a 700X908 version)

Next, another rare one, though it was published as part of an article in Daytime TV (along with several other rare ones that have only been published as part of that article):


The caption for it reads: "Jealous that Angelique is spending too much time with Quentin, Gerard goes after Quentin."

And another rare one that I find a bit funny because to me it looks more like David Selby wearing a wig and pretending to be James Storm as Gerard -


 - but then, it could be James. Who knows? But it was published in the Dec. '71 issue of 16 Magazine, hence the drawing of scratches on the face where there shouldn't even be any yet...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2434 on: December 20, 2024, 12:00:20 AM »
Revisiting more stills from Scene 96:

Here are a second batch of stills for Scene 96. First up, a rare still that was also published as part of the article that appeared in the Dec. '71 issue of 16 Magazine:


The caption for it reads: "Even in the present day, Quentin fights to defend himself
from one of Angelique's lovers. This time it is Gerard (James
Storm), who, madly in love with the ghost of Angelique, succeeds
in his attack against Quentin -- alias Charles."

(It's interesting that the caption explicitly states Gerard's relationship to Angelique prior to Quentin's arrival when, as the film stands, the audience has to piece things together for themselves, and that's made harder by the fact that even in the 129 minute version Scenes 41 through 44 in which Quentin goes to the tower room on his first night at Collinwood and a Gerard who reacts with "eyes blazing with hatred" sees that Quentin goes there are not included. The only things in any version of the film that give any idea Gerard is somehow angered by Quentin's arrival is when he asks Carlotta in Scene 51, "Do you know what happened last night? Do you?!" - Carlotta explains, "Everything has changed now. You must accept that" - he replies, "I was good enough until he came around. Now..." - and she insists, "Now listen! I want you to go to the stables. He'll be there soon to ride. I've told you that everything was different now." The audience doesn't really have any clue to be able to piece things together to understand what Gerard meant until Scenes 92 through 97 take place - and only if they remember that exchange with Carlotta.)

Next, a still that pops up seemingly all over the place (including that same 16 Magazine article, which is why -


(Click here for a 700X564 version)
The 16 Magazine caption for it reads: "In one of his grotesque visions of a time long gone, Quentin
"sees" Angelique (Lara Parker) trying to stop her husband
Gabriel (Christopher Pennock) as he's about to attack Charles
Collins (who Quentin realizes is himself) in a fit of jealous rage!"

- the caption for the first still says "Even in the present day, Quentin fights to defend himself
from one of Angelique's lovers."

But here's a rare version of Angelique's attack on Gabriel -


The caption for it reads: "A busy spirit, Angelique scratches the face
of Christopher Pennock (Gabriel) as he pre-
pares to launch an assault of his own."
Though shouldn't that have been "Lara Parker scratches the face
of Christopher Pennock (Gabriel)"  or "Angelique scratches the face
of Gabriel (Christopher Pennock)" - not what it is because it
associates a character with an actor...

- something that was also published as part of that same Daytime TV article the second Gerard still came from...

 [pointing-up]  And you probably recall that the middle still above in #15 in the NoDS Editor's Portfolio.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2435 on: December 20, 2024, 03:54:00 PM »
Continuing to revisit how Scene 97 is scripted and moving on to Scene 98:

Picking up with Scene 97:

       Suddenly Tracy ENTERS THE SHOT as she runs up the
       stairs and tries to pull Quentin off.


And that's when today's quote -

Page 41/Scene 97 - Tracy: 'Quentin!...stop it! You'll kill him! Stop it!'

- comes up, followed by the script continuing with:

       She is beating and pulling at him but he won't let
       go as Gerard has just about had it.  Then suddenly,
       with a ROAR OF ANGER, Quentin turns on Tracy.

98     INTERCUT - SAMANTHA - QUENTIN'S P.O.V.           98
       SUBCONSCIOUS MEMORY CUT.

       as he starts to strangle her.


And when it comes to what's different with the dialogue, Tracy actually says "Quentin!...stop it! Stop it! You'll kill him!"

And when it comes to what's different with the descriptions and directions, as part of Scene 97 Tracy does desperately pull at Quentin to try to get him off of Gerard but she doesn't beat him - and there's no audible roar of anger when Quentin turns on Tracy - and as we all know, Scene 98 involves Laura -


- and not Samantha. In fact, it's interesting that in the scenes in DC's script where Samantha's name still appears (it was changed to Laura in the rewrites involving her), it's never crossed out and replaced with Laura, whereas in Grayson's script Samantha's name is nearly always crossed out and replaced with Laura even if Carlotta doesn't appear in any way in the sequence.

 [pointing-up]  And as far as "today's quote" goes, it was December 17th this time around.

 [nods]

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2436 on: December 20, 2024, 05:03:37 PM »
Could the picture that's supposed to be James Storm possibly be a stand in or double?
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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2437 on: December 20, 2024, 06:58:20 PM »
 [pointing-up]  Quite possibly. Although, like I said, to me it looks like Selby with a wig pretending to be Storm. Who knows?  [idontknow]  What's too bad is that no one seems to have ever shown the photo to Selby and asked him about it. IF it is Selby playing a joke, one might think he'd remember doing it...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2438 on: December 20, 2024, 09:00:14 PM »
Here's a rare still from Scene 97 ...:


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It's funny that Gerard is the only one whose face you can't see in the screen capture for Tracy's quote -


- yet his is the only face you can see in the still...

 [pointing-up]  And you'll probably recall that still is #14 in the NoDS Editor's Portfolio.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2439 on: December 21, 2024, 05:30:12 PM »
Continuing with the current sequence:

color=black]99     QUENTIN - CLOSE-UP - NORMAL COLOR                99

       as he finally realizes what he's doing and lets go.[/color]




99     CONTD                                     CONTD  99

And that's when today's quote -

Page 42/Scene 99 - Quentin: 'Tracy! Tracy!'

- comes up.

And when it comes to what's different with the dialogue, Quentin simply says "Tracy" quietly as the shock of what he's been doing to her hits him.

And when it comes to what's different with the descriptions and directions, for the first and probably only time posting about this sequence, nothing is different.  [ghost_wink]

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it was on December 18th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2440 on: December 21, 2024, 11:10:02 PM »
A post I neglected to revisiting regarding the subtitles for Scene 97:

Sometimes I wonder if the people who did the subtitles and/or closed captioning for NoDS ever actually watched the film? Case in point, when Tracy tries desperately to stop Quentin from attacking Gerard. She screams, "Quentin!...stop it! Stop it! You'll kill him!", and mind you, the closed captioning does get all of that correct, and the subtitles get the first part correct, however, this is what the subtitles comes up with for the latter half:


Who knows?!  [santa_shocked] [santa_rolleyes]

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2441 on: December 22, 2024, 12:50:16 AM »
Revisiting the wrap up of how Scene 99 is scripted:

Wrapping up Scene 99, first by picking up after Quentin realizes what he was doing to Tracy:

       Tracy is in shock as Carlotta ENTERS THE SHOT.

And that's when today's quote -

Page 42/Scene 99 - Carlotta: 'Mr. Collins! What happened?'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

       Then she sees Gerard - the blood from the claw
       marks on his face.  She rushes to help him as
       Quentin shakes his head wordlessly, unable to
       explain.


End of scene.

And when it comes to what's different with the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, we don't actually see Tracy in shock after Quentin realizes he was strangling her because the scene immediately shifts to Carlotta arriving and almost immediately kneeling to examine her nephew, which means that she doesn't speak to Quentin before seeing Gerard - and what Carlotta actually says is "Mr. Collins!", first with shock, and then "Mr. Collins!" with a great deal of incredulity - and so, considering that Carlotta is already at Gerard's side, she doesn't rush to help him when scripted - and nor does Quentin shake his head wordlessly, unable to explain because what Quentin actually does, as can be seen in the following capture -


- is wordlessly cling to Tracy in shock.

...

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it was the one for December 19th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2442 on: December 22, 2024, 03:02:34 PM »
Revisiting some posts regarding Grayson's notes:

...

And Grayson has some notations in her script for this section. And as you can read below, they start off with "Animal excitement", which perhaps harkens back to Carlotta and Gerard's murdering of the hippy, which was never shot, but perhaps Grayson didn't know that at the time she wrote that notation in her script. And then she writes "Touches blood", which Carlotta doesn't actually do in the take used in the film, but she does do in a publicity shot for the scene (and I've always thought that it's interesting that Carlotta is pointing in the photo used for the lobby card for this scene but she doesn't actually do that in the film either - but then, some of the lobby cards for NoDS are quite different from what happens in the film - one isn't even shot is the same room that the actual scene takes place, but I digress...). And finally she writes something in reference to Angelique. But once again for the life of me I can't decipher the whole thing -


- so perhaps someone else (and you know who you are  [ghost_wink]) can...

Let's see. It appears to be: Animal excitement. Touches blood. Fingers (or possibly lingers) on as Angelique. Does that seem like it to you, MB?

I think "lingers" may very well be it. That's the word I couldnt figure out, so thanks again!  [ghost_smiley]


...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2443 on: December 22, 2024, 08:20:04 PM »
Since I posted the previous scan of Grayson's note I've come across a different scan of Grayson's script that often shows many of her notes a bit better. For the fun of it I checked out that note and it's actually like this -


- and the word that looked like it could be "on" is actually"out," so perhaps the word previous to it is "fingers" rather than "lingers." Though in any case Uncle Roger's first impression actually was that it was "fingers," so that would mean the first letter of that word begins with a small case "f" rather than a capital "L". And I guess the note is supposed to refer back to how Angelique scratched Gerard's face and perhaps even that Carlotta would place her finger on Gerard's face in the same manner that Angelique had scratched him. And while it could be said that she does indeed come close to doing that in some publicity stills that we'll soon be revisiting, she doesn't do so in the film.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2444 on: December 22, 2024, 10:16:58 PM »
 [pointing-up]  Revisiting the stills I mentioned above:

As you may recall, I posted publicity stills for Scene 99 back in August in Reply #53:

...


(Click here for a 1088X838 version)

- and like the Charles still, there's an alternate (and rare) version -


- but unlike anything I've shared so far, there's also an alternate (and rarer still) color version -


(Click here for a 700X476 version)

...

Although, in the time since I first made that post, I discovered I had a better version of the color still (the one I'd originally shared ended at Gerard's chin but the better one goes down further), so I replaced the original version with its better version. However, depending on how long it's been since you've cleared your browser's cache, you may need to do so the see the newer version.  [santa_smiley]

 [nods]