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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1590 on: March 15, 2024, 12:10:00 AM »
Continuing to revisit how Scene 119 is scripted:

Moving along with Scene 119:

Sarah listens.

And that's when today's quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Laura: 'Do you want a mob outside this house? A mob with firebrands?'

- comes up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the quoted lines are actually combined into one in the film, as in "Do you want a mob with firebrands outside this house?"

And while the script does indicate that Sarah is listening, it doesn't indicate that Laura delivers her line off screen - but as can be seen in today's capture -


- that's exactly how it happens in the film.

And interestingly in DC's script there's a note indicating that Laura will cross to Gabriel when she says today's quote - and even though we don't see that, it could have possibly happened off screen - but that's not even the case because, as can be seen in this sneak peek of tomorrow's capture -


- Laura is pretty much in the same spot as we last saw her.

[pointing-up]  And as far as "today's" quotes go, they were yesterday's, March 13th's, this time around, so obviously "tomorrow's capture" is today's, March 14th's.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1591 on: March 15, 2024, 05:56:46 PM »
More revisiting of how Scene 119 is scripted:

Picking up Scene 119 where we left off, with yesterday's quote, Strack's response to the possibility of mobs with firebrands gathering outside Collinwwod -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Strack: 'I promise you it will come to that. And soon. The strange death of Reverend Herridge. After his sermon denouncing her --'

- coming up, followed in the script by today's quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Laura: 'You yourself heard her say she would settle with him for that --'

- coming up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the only difference in Strack's quote is that he says "So soon after his sermon denouncing her --" But as is probably obvious given today's graphic, Laura's quote is dropped in the film, so we have no idea if anything about it might have been different or if it was even filmed. Though unlike the quotes that were definitely dropped before filming, Laura's quote is not crossed out in DC's script, so infer from that what you will... However, I do wonder if Laura's line was dropped so as to make it more ambiguous as to whether or not Angelique was a witch? I guess we'll never know...

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, there aren't any of either in the script for this section. Though I do love how Laura is actually breathing heavily while Strack warns Gabriel - it's almost like she's sexually turned on plotting Angelique's demise!  [b003]  And Sarah is once again seen listening under the table -


- at the tail end of Strack's warning, after he mentions the strange death of Reverend Herridge.

And we'll deal with DC's next notes after tomorrow's quote comes up...

[pointing-up]  And so far as "yesterday's quote" goes, it was March 14th's this time around, so obviously "today's quote" is indeed today's, March 15th's.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1592 on: March 15, 2024, 08:48:12 PM »
Revisiting another still from Scene 119 (and something questionable about the DS Almanac 30th Anniversary Tribute):

Here's an alternative version of what I've shared in Replys #430 and #432 -


- it appears on page 141 of the DS Almanac 30th Anniversary Tribute and that's the only place I'm aware of it appearing...

([pointing-up]  Speaking of page 141 of that book, I've been meaning to post about this for years but at least I'm finally getting to it. There's a photo in the second row of photos on that page that may not really be associated with NoDS. And the reason I question it is because that exact same photo of Nancy Barrett is part of a whole series of photos, with her wearing the exact same clothes, that are a part of a February of 1972 TV by Day article: Page141_r2.jpg, MMMO-1.jpg, MMMO-2.jpg, MMMO-3.jpg. Now, that alone wouldn't be enough to question things because the magazine could have easily used already available photos of Nancy, but the thing is she also appears on the cover of that issue with her The Doctors costar Gerald Gordon and she's also wearing the exact same clothes: TVbyDay.jpg. If those photos were taken on the Lyndhurst grounds during the production of NoDS, what would Gerald Gordon have been doing there, particularly when Nancy didn't start on The Doctors until a month after NoDS had wrapped production? And I suppose Nancy could have worn the same clothes for a separate cover shoot so that her look would coordinate (right down to wearing the same locket) with the article's photos - but how likely is that?)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1593 on: March 15, 2024, 10:20:10 PM »
Revisiting the subtitles/closed captioning (with new screen captures) for Scene 119:

After Laura questions whether Gabriel wants a mob with firebrands outside the house and Rev Strack promises it will come to that, and soon, Rev. Strack brings up "The strange death of Reverend Herridge so soon after his sermon denouncing her --" - and the subtitles reflect that exactly - however, the closed captioning has -



...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1594 on: March 16, 2024, 02:00:18 PM »
Continuing to revisit how Scene 119 is scripted:

Continuing Scene 119 with today's first quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Gabriel: 'But the scandal...'

- coming up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Laura: 'There will be no scandal.'

- coming up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, what Gabriel actually says is "Yes, yes, but...but the scandal..."

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, there aren't any of either in the script for this section. However, DC has a note in his script that indicates that Gabriel crosses to the window as he expresses his fear of scandal, and Gabriel does indeed do that - but something that neither the script nor DC's notes mention in that Laura's line is once again delivered off screen, this time, as can be seen in today's second capture -


- because Gabriel remains on screen.

[pointing-up]  And as far as the reference to "today's" quotes go, they are indeed today's, March 16th's, this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1595 on: March 17, 2024, 02:26:10 PM »
Revisiting more of how Scene 119 is scripted:

Continuing Scene 119 with today's quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Strack: 'We have selected four men from the estate, all of whom have seen proof of her witchcraft...they have sworn to remain silent forever.'

- coming up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, what Strack actually says is "We've chosen four men from the estate, each of whom has seen proof of her witchcraft...they've sworn to keep silent forever."

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, there aren't any of either in the script for this section. However, DC has a note in his script that indicates that after there's a close-up of Gabriel (which we saw did take place in the capture showcased in reply #350), the camera would move back to go in on Strack (though the note says "Trask") and Laura (though the note says "Samantha"), and as can be seen in today's capture -


- that's exactly what happens as today's quote takes place.

And as for the content of Strack's quote, it would certainly seem to provide proof that Angelique is a witch. Well, that is IF the four men are really telling the truth and aren't lying, or being coerced, or being paid to say what Strack claims. And while the script gives absolutely no indication of any of those three, it will contradict the men down the line...

 [pointing-up]  And so far as the reference to "today's quote" goes, it is indeed today's, March 17th's, this time around, and "Reply #350" is Reply #1596 in this topic this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1596 on: March 17, 2024, 10:38:20 PM »
Revisiting a discussion about whether or not Angelique really was a witch:

Before moving on to today's quotes, in case you're only following the posts I'm linking to in the "And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of) [**Now featuring alternate versions..." topic, you may want to check out the following ones which wonder about whether or not Angelique really was a witch

The dialogue in the scene at hand now is interesting because, to me at least, it strongly implies that Angelique Collins (in NoDS) really was a Witch. ...
I was saving this discussion until after we finish the script.  [ghost_smiley]  But...
I think that if Angelique had turned out not to be a witch...
It will be interesting after we get through the whole script. ...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1597 on: March 18, 2024, 05:26:16 PM »
Continuing to revisit how Scene 119 is scripted:

Continuing Scene 119 with today's quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Laura: 'Gabriel -- if we must, we'll do it without you.'

- coming up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, there aren't any because today's quote is delivered exactly as scripted.

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, there aren't any of either in the script for this section. There also aren't any notes in DC's script concerning today's quote. But I do have to say that I just love how Diana Millay gives a tilt to her head just as she tells Gabriel that they'll do it without him:


And the interesting thing about today's quote is that it reveals just how determined Laura is to side with Strack and to seal Angelique's fate even if Gabriel isn't on board. Would it be such a hard thing to then imagine that Laura might not coerce or pay the men to give evidence against Angelique? And Scene 67A (the piano scene) would certainly seem to show that Laura is disgusted by Charles and Angelique's affair and she holds Angelique responsible. Though, as I said yesterday, there's no indisputable evidence in the script that Laura or anyone else actually conspired against Angelique and falsely accused her of witchcraft (although Scene 67A clearly shows that Laura really does believe Angelique is a witch and that she's bewitched Charles). But subtleties could be construed...

 [pointing-up]  And so far as the reference to "today's quote" goes, it is indeed today's, March 18th's, this time around, and the comment "as I said yesterday" refers to what I said in what's revisited in Reply #1597.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1598 on: March 19, 2024, 03:08:18 PM »
Revisiting one more still, the first of three similar stills related to Scene 119:

Here's a reminder of a still from Scene 119 that was previously posted in Reply #38:


(Click here for a 540X700 version)

Take note that it's in keeping with the previous stills posted and not with the way the scene is actually shot...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1599 on: March 20, 2024, 12:14:06 AM »
More witch speculation worth revisiting:

More witch speculation:

...  It's intriguing to imagine a version of the story where...
It's intriguing to imagine...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1600 on: March 20, 2024, 03:24:10 PM »
Continuing to revisit how Scene 119 is scripted:

Wrapping up Scene 119 and moving beyond (using Grayson's script), beginning with today's quote -

Page 60/Scene 119 - Strack: 'The evil must be driven from the land -- before it destroys us all.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

                             GABRIEL
                      (a sigh)
                 You are right.  There is no other
                 way.
                        Strack
       Sarah reacts, as Trask moves to the window, looks
       down and nods.




120    EXT - COLLINWOOD - DAY                            120
                            STRACK'S
       THROUGH THE WINDOW - TRASK'S P.O.V.

       Four strong men stand staring up at the window.  At
Strack'sTrask's nod, they move off in the direction of the
       house.


And as far as differences in the dialogue go, Strack actually says "This evil" - and Gabriel actually says "You're right."

And as far as differences in the directions and the descriptions go, there aren't any of either in the script that pertain to the dialogue, however, DC's script has a note that indicates that Strack (though it's still Trask in his script) crosses to Gabriel as he warns that the evil must be driven from the land, and as can be seen in today's capture -


- that is what happens - but what neither the script nor DC indicates is that while Strack is saying "before it destroys us all", as can be seen in this next capture -


the camera is actually on a close-up of Sarah - and while DC's script also has a notation that Gabriel isn't suppose to appear in the shot until after Strack is finished with his warning, obviously, as can also be seen in today's capture, that is not the case - and as can be seen in this next capture -


- Gabriel remains in the shot after Sarah's reaction to Strack's warning and before Sarah's reaction to Gabriel coming around that there is no other way - but DC's notation also indicates that the camera would whip to Sarah and truck in on her reaction to Gabriel's decision, however, the shot of Sarah's reaction is not whipped to, and as can be seen in this next capture -


- the framing of the shot remains the same as the previous shot of her and there is no trucking in - and after Sarah's final reaction shot, not only don't we see Strack go anywhere near the window, Scene 120 is actually dropped in all versions of the film.

And one thing that's interesting about Scene 119 is that there's much more of Sarah in it than is indicated in the script. But as we'll soon see, adding more of Sarah is a situation that will be quite dramatically reversed because all sorts of her stuff will be dropped left and right before too long...

And finally, the original slideshow for NoDS included this line -


NoDS: Scene #119 - Gabriel: 'You're right. There is no
other way.'

- because it was quoted in the Fest's 1999 Movie Calendar, upon which the original slideshow is based.

 [pointing-up]  And as far as "today's quote" goes, it was yesterday's, March 19th's, this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1601 on: March 20, 2024, 07:54:16 PM »
Revisiting another still, the second of three similar stills related to Scene 119:

This next still, a somewhat cropped version of which appears on page 110 of the DS Companion, is more in keeping with the way Scene 119 was actually shot:


(Click here for a 700X900 version)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1602 on: March 20, 2024, 11:24:06 PM »
Continuing to revisit the subtitles/closed captioning (with new screen captures) for Scene 119:

Despite that we hear claps of thunder earlier in Scene 119, the first time the closed captioning acknowledges one is after Rev. Strack says "This evil must be driven from the land before it destroys us all." (another "MUST" quote!!  [easter_cheesy])  -



- and before Gabriel agrees "You're right. There is no other way." - and of course there's no acknowledgement of the thunder by the subtitles because, as I've said, for some strange reason given they're supposed to be SDH subtitles, they rarely if ever highlight any sounds...

...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1603 on: March 21, 2024, 04:50:10 PM »
Revisiting the third of three similar stills related to Scene 119:

... here's a rare alternate version of Gabriel and Strack -


The Daytime TV caption for it reads: "Thayer David (Rev. Strack) convinces
Gabriel that his wife Angelique must
be destroyed. Part of flashback segment.

- something that was also published as part of that same Daytime TV article that I've shared portions of in Reply #124 (Angelique on the stairs), Reply #286 (Gerard wielding his club), Reply #287 (Angelique scratching Gabriel), and Reply #414 (Quentin confronting Carlotta). (And even more from that article is yet to come, more fairly soon, and actually it's two that are not so soon...)

 [pointing-up] And you'll recall that the entire Daytime TV article is shared back in Reply #1352.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #1604 on: March 21, 2024, 07:54:16 PM »
Revisiting how Scene 121 is scripted:

Dealing with the next two scenes in the sequence (using Grayson's script):

121    INT - GALLERY - DAY                              121

And that's when today's first quote -

Page 61/Scene 121 - Gabriel: 'What of my brother Charles?'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 61/Scene 121 - Strack: 'He must learn the lesson of the damned. He shall watch her die.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

                                 Strack
       They look at each other.  Trask turns, leads them
       from the room.  Sarah is panicked.  She leaves her
       hiding place and tiptoes to the corridor.


And as far as differences in the dialogue go, there aren't any because the dialogue is delivered exactly as scripted.

And as far as differences in the directions and the descriptions go, it's interesting how DC covers having dropped Scene 120 because following Sarah's final reaction in Scene 119, instead of seeing Strack move to the window, we see Sarah's POV of Strack walking away from Gabriel, but as can be seen in the following capture -


- Strack actually moves in the opposite direction away from the window ([hdscrt]), but from that we then see, as can be seen in this next capture -


- Strack is moving away from apparently having been at the window, and he moves toward Gabriel, who, as we can see in the next capture -


- is on Strack's opposite side from where we last saw them in Scene 119 (apparently it must have been quite the dance that Strack did to first walk in the opposite direction from the window but then to walk from the direction of the window - and all in the space of under three seconds of screen time [lghy] - but if we're feeling generous, maybe we'll just chalk it all up to the marathon editing session imposed by James Aubrey [wink2]) - and also, I love the wide-eyed expressions on Laura's face as she looks at Strack after Angelique's fate has been sealed -


- and then to Gabriel -


-and then to Strack again -


- as Charles' punishment is decided - and while we do see Sarah's panicked reaction to hearing Angelique is going to die, we don't actually see Stack turn and lead Gabriel and Laura from the room nor do we see Sarah leave her hiding place and tiptoe to the corridor - ...

Also, DC has a note that before he asks about Charles, Gabriel walks to the table and then turns to them, though that's pretty obvious given the captures I've already shared.  ;)

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's" quotes go, they were yesterday's, March 20th's, this time around.

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