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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2625 on: February 25, 2025, 10:56:12 PM »
... the NoDS Pressbook

And speaking of the NoDS Pressbook, by now I'm sure it's been figured out that I couldn't share my version of the credits that hadn't been scanned from the version of the Pressbook from which I'd been sharing AD MATs is because my version of the Pressbook is different -


(Click here for a 377X1241 version)

(Click here for a 398X1241 version)

- and before too long we'll be getting back to the Pressbook and why I suspect there are two versions...

More to come...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2626 on: February 26, 2025, 12:30:18 AM »
Another post definitely worth revisiting:

Here's a second still to preview the upcoming moment in the slideshow from Scene 117 -


(Click here for a 700X476 version)

- a cropped version of which was shared on page 77 of the DS Almanac 30th Anniversary Tribute. On the other hand, the next three stills I plan to share are all rare...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2627 on: February 26, 2025, 07:06:05 AM »
What, pray tell, is a convoluted apartment?

Hee hee, Uncle Roger!!

Very interesting article!
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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2628 on: February 26, 2025, 04:06:10 PM »
What, pray tell, is a convoluted apartment?
Hee hee, Uncle Roger!!

Yes, given that "convoluted" is most often taken to mean making something very complex and possibly even in a devious way, describing an apartment that way doesn't seem to fit. However, secondary meanings can be "elaborate" and "intricate," and from pictures I've seen and other descriptions of the apartment I've read, the apartment was most definitely elaborate (given Grayson's personality, we'd expect nothing less! [b003]). But be all that as it may, "convoluted" isn't a word I would have chosen if I simply meant the Hall's apartment was elaborate. But then again, maybe the author intended "convoluted " to be interpreted in a derogatory way, like the apartment was too elaborate. Who knows?  [idontknow]

Very interesting article!

Most of the articles in the Pressbook are interesting. Though the funny thing is that I can't say I ever came across any of them published in a newspaper. But then, who knows how much it might have cost theaters to publish them? Plus, most theaters might have felt that publishing one of the AD MATs was enough to attract an audience...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2629 on: February 26, 2025, 06:56:04 PM »
Revisiting yet more of how Scene 117 is scripted:

Continuing Scene 117, first with the first part of today's quote -

Page 56/Scene 117 - Quentin: 'That's not the reason. (MORE)'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

117    CONTD                                     CONTD    117

                             QUENTIN (Contd)

       He crosses to her, looking down at her.



And that's when the second part of today's quote -

Page 57/Scene 117 - Quentin: 'You know about these dreams, don't you?'

- comes up.

And when it comes to the differences in the dialogue, for the second part of today's quote, Quentin actually says "You know about the dreams I've been having, don't you?", and that change is made in DC's script, with "these" crossed out and replaced with "the" and "I've been having" added.

And when it comes to the differences in the directions and the descriptions, Quentin puts down his paint palette as he moves toward Carlotta - and as Quentin accuses her of knowing about his dreams, I love the look Carlotta gives him -


- and with the slight cock to her head.

And when it comes to DC's notes, he strangely indicates that Quentin rises before he tells Carlotta that her saying his working in the tower just seemed ideal is not the reason his working in the tower is important to her. Well, unless he means Quentin's voice and anger rise, which they do.

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it is indeed today's, February 26th's, this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2630 on: February 26, 2025, 09:14:00 PM »
And another post definitely worth revisiting:

And here's a third still to preview the upcoming moment in the slideshow from Scene 117 -


(Click here for a 700X476 version)

- a still that I believe is quite rare because to my knowledge it has never been published anywhere - and it shares something in common with the next still I'll be sharing, something that's more than the obvious that it's also to promote the same moment from Scene 117 - but more on that on the 28th...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2631 on: February 27, 2025, 04:00:16 PM »
And we continue to revisit how Scene 117 is scripted:

And when it comes to today's quote from Scene 117, Carlotta's response to Quentin's belief that she knows about his dreams -

Page 57/Scene 117 - Carlotta: 'I don't know what you're referring to --'

- there is no difference in the film because it's delivered exactly as scripted.

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, there aren't any of either in the script for this section. However, next to today's quote in Grayson's script she has what seems to me to be a somewhat odd note that reads "to painting".  [ghost_huh]  But another note on the other side of the quote makes perfect sense because Grayson has that Carlotta is thinking "Shall I tell him? Shall I tell him?"

And things really start getting good with tomorrow's quote and actions...

 [pointing-up]  And as far as "today's quote" goes, it is indeed today's, February 27th's, this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2632 on: February 27, 2025, 07:06:10 PM »
And let's revisit this post to see if, before I get into my theory of why, anyone else might come up with a similar theory to mine as to why the first image may have been switched to the second in the newspaper AD MATs, thus requiring a second version of the Pressbook:

And before we leave the the Italian Posters, I'd like to share this -


- and trust me, there's a lot more to it than simply seeing the comparison side by side in B&W. Think of it as a preview of coming attractions...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2633 on: February 28, 2025, 03:14:04 PM »
And we continue to revisit more of how Scene 117 is scripted:

And when it comes to today's quote from Scene 117, Quentin's reaction to Carlotta's claim that she doesn't know what he's referring to -

Page 57/Scene 117 - Quentin: 'You know damn well what I'm referring to. [He points at the portrait --] Her. [Carlotta just stands there.] Am I dreaming it, Carlotta? Or is she real?'

- the one difference in what's quoted is that Quentin doesn't use Carlotta's name, as in he actually says "Am I dreaming it? Or is she real?" - but after delivering that in the film Quentin also pleads an unscripted "Now tell me" and then repeats for a second time "Is she real?" - though interestingly enough, in DC's script "it, Carlotta" is crosses out and replaced with "her", but obviously that's not what Quentin says.

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, for one, and as can be seen in today's capture -


- Quentin grabs Carlotta's upper arms while he pleads with her - for two, when he refers to "Her" he doesn't point at the portrait - and for three, Carlotta doesn't simply stand there because she's uncomfortable being in Quentin's grasp, or as DC's script notes put it, being "nose to nose" with Quentin. And speaking of DC's notes, it's interesting that he indicates that when Quentin refers to "Her", the camera was supposed to pan to the portrait and then up to a close-up of Carlotta. That doesn't happen. Nor do we see Carlotta smile when Quentin refers to "Her", which is a note that Grayson made in her script. However, Carlotta does indeed get a great close-up -


- after Quentin first asks if Angelique is real - and then David Selby gets to do his always amazing anguished plea -


- when he asks a second time if Angelique is real - and then the look on Carlotta's face after that -


- is absolutely priceless because she knows that everything that she's been dying to see come out is finally going to come out.  [nodassent]

And as an aside, as can also be seen in today's capture, the sun was out when that bit was shot - though observant viewers will notice that the sunlight and position change a few times in the scene. But more on that as things progress...

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it is indeed today's, February 28th's, this time around.

 [nods]

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2634 on: February 28, 2025, 06:44:34 PM »
Revisiting more of the subtitles/closed captioning for Scene 117:

When it comes to Quentin insisting to Carlotta, "'You know damn well what I'm referring to. Her," in Scene 117, the closed captioning refers to what Quentin says in its entirety, but the subtitles -


- drops the "damn well" for some reason...

...

 [pointing-up]  And dropping "damn well" certainly wasn't because whoever did the subtitles was against forms of swearing because they included worse in an upcoming scene...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2635 on: February 28, 2025, 09:10:04 PM »
Two posts worth revisiting:

In the short time that Quentin and Tracy have been at Collinwood, Carlotta has gone from slight disdain to fairly open hostility. It's a bit surprising that no one seems to have told her to knock it off or risk being fired. Okay, Quentin is under some kind of spell but Tracy isn't. If her mother was indeed the housekeeper for Mrs. Stoddard, I can't imagine that Elizabeth would have tolerated such behavior.

So far the strongest reaction to Carlotta's attitudes came in Scene 115 when, as she's leaving the Gallery after being peevish toward Quentin's decision to move from the Tower to the Gallery to paint, Quentin got a disgusted look on his face and bowed his head. But you're right, no one has actually said anything to Carlotta - and because she was leaving the room, she didn't even see Quentin's reaction.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2636 on: March 01, 2025, 12:10:19 AM »
Yet another still to revisit:

And the last of what I'm sharing that relates to today's quote from Scene 117 is a rare version of Quentin confronting Carlotta -


(Click here for a 700X650 version)
The Daytime TV caption for it reads: "Quentin goes into frenzy when Carlotta
(Grayson Hall) tells him that Gerard (James
Storm) is on his way to murder Tracy.
(Not exactly what's actually happening, and who knows where they got the idea that is was - someone definitely gave them crap
info for that one, whereas they did give good info for all the others, which makes one wonder if they didn't plan to share what the
caption says but switched and forgot to change the caption?)

- something that was also published as part of that same Daytime TV article that I've shared portions of in Reply #124 (Angelique on the stairs), Reply #286 (Gerard wielding his club) and Reply #287 (Angelique scratching Gabriel). (More from that article is yet to come, some fairly soon, one not so soon...)

It's interesting that every single still that I've shared equally features Quentin and Carlotta but in the film the moment focuses on Quentin much more than Carlotta, who is basically only seen from behind, as is apparent in today's screen capture (which is a part of the 2016 post I've linked to in Reply #413 above).

...it shares something in common with the next still I'll be sharing, something that's more than the obvious that it's also to promote the same moment from Scene 117...

And that is that in both versions Carlotta's nose is shadowed - quite possibly why we don't see them being shared all that much or not at all...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2637 on: March 01, 2025, 07:12:04 PM »
Revisiting yet more of how Scene 117 is scripted:

The script continues Scene 117 with reference to Carlotta:

       TRUCK IN ON HER as she finally makes her decision.

And that's when today's quote -

Page 57/Scene 117 - Carlotta: 'Do you remember the little girl you saw at the window the other day?'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

CARLOTTA - QUENTIN

                      QUENTIN
          Yes, of course I do.


And when it comes to the differences in the dialogue, what Carlotta actually asks is "Do you remember that little girl you thought you saw at the window the other day?", and the addition of "thought you" is indicated in both DC's and Grayson's scripts - and to Carlotta's question, Quentin actually responds with a simple "Yes."

And when it comes to any differences in the directions and the descriptions, and as can be seen in today's capture -


- the camera does indeed truck in on Carlotta as Quentin leans back up and out of frame. However, unlike what the script itself indicates and how DC's notes indicate that after Carlotta asks her question and before Quentin responds, the camera switches to a 2 shot of Carlotta and Quentin in profile, the shot actually continues to slowly truck in closer and closer on Carlotta (as we'll see in the two upcoming captures for tomorrow's and Sunday's quotes).

And when it comes to Grayson's notes for this section of the scene, she writes that before Carlotta asks her question she will again look to the painting and then to Quentin, but, again, that doesn't happen because Carlotta actually keeps her gaze completely on Quentin throughout. And it does seem odd that there are all these references in the script and in personal notes to looking at the portrait when the portrait is simply leaning on its side on the floor, so looking at it would be awkward at best. But perhaps at some point the intent was for the portrait to be hung on the wall again, even though no such indication appears in the script or in DC's or Grayson's notes...

 [pointing-up]  And as far as "today's quote" goes, it is indeed today's, March 1st's, this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2638 on: March 01, 2025, 10:34:16 PM »
Revisiting more of the subtitles/closed captioning for Scene 117:

In Scene 117, when it comes to Carlotta's explanation, she begins by asking Quentin, "Do you remember that little girl you thought you saw at the window the other day?" - and the closed captioning has exactly that - but the subtitles has -


- dropping the opening "Do." Now, yes, one can still put a question mark at the end of the sentence and say "You remember that little girl you thought you saw at the window the other day?" as a question. But starting off the sentence with "Do" definitely makes it a question. So to drop that particular word is definitely the oddest word to drop. And only the person who did the subtitles knows why they made that questionable choice...

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2639 on: March 02, 2025, 07:02:14 PM »
Revisiting even more of hos Scene 117 is scripted:

And Scene 117 begins Carlotta's explanation about the little girl Quentin saw as today's quote -

Page 57/Scene 117 - Carlotta: 'Well, it wasn't your imagination, Mr. Collins.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

                      QUENTIN
          But you implied it was.


And as far as differences in the dialogue go, Carlotta actually drops the "Mr. Collins" in the film and it's also crossed out in Grayson's script - and Quentin's line is completely dropped in the film and is crossed out in both Grayson's and DC's scripts.

And as far as differences in the directions and the descriptions go, there aren't any of either in the script for this section so obviously there can't be any differences in them in the film. However, next to today's quote in Grayson's script she has a notation that reads "Spell it out carefully, clearly, as to a child".

 [pointing-up]  And when it comes to "today's quote," it is indeed today's, March 2nd's, this time around.

 [nods]