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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2415 on: December 13, 2024, 08:10:14 PM »
Continuing to revisit more of the closed captioning/subtitles for Scene 88:

Picking up with Scene 88.

After it's been established that the wrapped box is a surprise for Quentin, it's something he "can't be without," and he opens it, as scripted Quentin is supposed to say "You've got to be kidding," and Alex is supposed to roar with laughter. However, what actually happens in the scene is Alex laughs, as is reflected in both the subtitles -


- and the closed captioning -


- after which it's Alex who delivers the line scripted for Quentin, and that's acknowledged by the subtitles -


- and the closed captioning -


- and that's followed in both the subtitles and the closed captioning by Claire possibly improvising -




- and as Quentin approaches her, Tracy says, "Gregory said I could take them back if...", but for some reason the closed captioning drops the "if" -


- and as I've lamented before, poor Gregory: he gets mentioned twice in this scene, yet as the film stands, no one in the audience has the vaguest idea who he is because his scene was never shot...

And from that point for a period of time things go back to what's scripted, but more issues are to come...

...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2416 on: December 13, 2024, 11:22:18 PM »
Now revisiting yet more of how Scene 88 is scripted:

And more of Scene 88, picking up with today's quote -

Page 38/Scene 88 - Quentin: 'No...NO... [He kisses Tracy lightly] I'll get around to wearing it sooner or later --'

- coming up.

And so far as what's different in the dialogue, Quentin cuts Tracy off by actually saying "Promise you I'll wear 'em" (the riding breeches, not the full riding habit, as scripted) - and then after he kisses her, he adds "Someday" - and in another bit of unscripted dialogue, Tracy repeats "Someday" with a laugh.

And so far as what's different with the descriptions and directions, there's nothing to get into here.

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it was December 10th's this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2417 on: December 14, 2024, 04:30:04 PM »
Revisiting even yet more of how Scene 88 is scipted:

And yet more of Scene 88, picking up with today's first quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Quentin: 'Oh, Carlotta, Charles Collins --'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

She turns and looks at him.

And that's where today's second quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Carlotta: 'Yes, sir?'

- comes up, followed by today's third quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Quentin: 'I found some of his work in the tower room.'

-coming up, followed by today's fourth quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Carlotta: 'Oh?'

- coming up - followed by today's fifth quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Quentin: 'Do you know anything about his history?'

- coming up.

And as for what's different in the dialogue, rather than the first quote, Quentin actually and simply says "Carlotta" - and Carlotta actually and simply responds "Yes" - after which Quentin actually says "I found some old paintings of Charles Collins up in the tower room" - to which Carlotta does indeed respond with "Oh?", like it's a surprise to her (but we know she was just waiting for that to happen) - and then Quentin does indeed ask about Charles' history as written.

And when it comes to what is different with the descriptions and directions, there's nothing to get into so far as what's scripted, but I do have to say that as often as I've watched the film, I'd never really noticed until I was picking the captures for today that after Quentin puts the riding breeches down on the dining table, just like the typical wife, Tracy picks them up and neatly folds them into her lap so that they don't get wrinkled. I suppose in all the other viewing I was too focused on Quentin and Carlotta's exchange.  [ghost_wink]

And oddly again DC's script has a notation for a 2 shot of Alex and Claire (after Carlotta turns to look at Quentin) that isn't in the film.

 [pointing-up]  And when it comes to "today's" quotes, they were all on December 11th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2418 on: December 14, 2024, 08:52:18 PM »
Revisiting yet even more of how Scene 88 is scripted:

And continuing with more of Scene 88, picking up with Carlotta's answer as today's quote:

Page 39/Scene 88 - Carlotta: 'He was a marvelous man, a brilliant artist.'

And so far as what's different in the dialogue in the film, Carlotta actually says "Yes, I do. He was a marvelous man, a brilliant artist."

And so far as what's different with the descriptions and directions, there's nothing to get into because there aren't any descriptions or directions in this portion of the script. However, DC has a notation for this line in his script that says it would be shot over Carlotta's shoulder and showing Alex, Quentin and Tracy. But being shot over her shoulder is obviously not the way it was done because in the film Carlotta is seen in close-up, which is much more effective. There really isn't a true over the shoulder shot in the entire scene.

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it was December 12th's this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2419 on: December 15, 2024, 12:52:14 AM »
A post worth revisiting related to Scene 88:

Today's shot might be my favorite image of Grayson in the movie.

Yes, I love the shot too.


Thank heavens DC changed his mind and didn't shoot those moments from over Carlotta's shoulder!!

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2420 on: December 15, 2024, 04:34:00 PM »
And continuing along with revisiting how Scene 88 is scripted:

The interesting thing about the notation in DC's script about doing a shot of Alex, Quentin and Tracy over Carlotta's shoulder is that after Carlotta says Charles was marvelous and brilliant, the next shot in Scene 88 is one of those three, though as can be seen in this capture -


- it isn't shot over Carlotta's shoulder. And as soon as Alex begins to deliver today's quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Alex: 'You sound as if you know him.'

- (though he actually says "You almost sound like you know him, Carlotta" in the film), the camera pans to show Carlotta, as can be seen in -


- today's capture.

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" and "today's capture" go, they were featured on December 13th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2421 on: December 15, 2024, 08:08:08 PM »
And revisiting a post commenting on Carlotta's reaction to the latest line of dialogue:

And Carlotta has her cat that copped the cream look.

As if she's thinking, "oh if you only knew... you poor fool!"

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2422 on: December 15, 2024, 10:50:54 PM »
And revisiting the wrap up od how Scene 88 is scripted:

And picking up Scene 88 with today's first quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Carlotta: 'I've read a lot about him, Mr. Jenkins. Will you be having brandy in the gallery?'

- coming up in response to Alex's remark about her knowledge of Charles Collins, and followed by today's second quote -

Page 39/Scene 88 - Alex: 'Never. We're up with the sun these days.'

coming up, followed in the script by:

       The girls rise, start out.  Carlotta starts to
       clear the table as Quentin and Alex start down the
       hall.


End of scene - though not quite the end of the sequence...

And when it comes to what is different in the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, Carlotta drops the "I've read a lot about him, Mr. Jenkins" in favor of a sly smile, as can be seen in the following capture -


- and that smile actually says volumes more than any dialogue could possibly (especially if one already knows the subtext) - and in the script it could seem as if Carlotta is asking Alex if he will be having brandy, but in the film it's clear that Carlotta asks the question of Quentin because she turns to him - and as Tracy takes a sip of her wine, in another bit of unscripted dialogue, Quentin asks "Alex?", after which Alex delivers a version of today's second quote by actually replying "Uh, not me, pal. I'm up with the sun these days", in the middle of which Tracy laughs as she puts down her wine glass - and that's followed by an unscripted exchange of Quentin asking "Sure?", Alex replying "Positive" and then asking Claire "Ready, baby?", to which Claire replies "Hmm, ready", and Alex repeats "Ready" - and after Tracy takes the riding breeches from her lap and throws her napkin on the table as Claire comes to her side, the two women leave the room with unintelligible conversation between them, while behind them, after having a couple more sips of wine before getting up, Alex raises his glass as if in a toast and delivers another unscripted "A little more wine", to which Quentin mouths "A little more wine" under his breath as he walks to Alex - and after getting up Alex slaps his right hand on Quentin's back as they leave the room and Carlotta does indeed start to clear the table.

Also, Grayson has notations in her script about how Carlotta is "Always in control" and simply the word "Locket" - and in her script something like the later always seems to refer to Grayson's intention that Carlotta be seen foundling the locket while she's also doing something else - but in this case Carlotta doesn't actually touch the locket at all, or at least not in the take that was used as she reacts to Alex's remark about her almost sounding like she knows Charles Collins. And Grayson also has "I've read a lot about him, Mr. Jenkins" crossed out in her script.

 [pointing-up]  And when it comes to "today's" quotes, they were on December 14 this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2423 on: December 16, 2024, 12:48:00 AM »
And revisiting twp posts related to the smiling Carlotta capture in the above post:

Carlotta's evil smiles... my role model... wonderful capture!

[pointing-up]  It's definitely one of Carlotta's best moments! Though you don't realize it is until after the first viewing of the film...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2424 on: December 16, 2024, 03:44:10 PM »
Recisiting more of the closed captioning/subtitles for Scene 88:

...

After the subject of Quentin's "surprise" gift of riding breeches is dealt with, Quentin mentions to Carlotta that he's found some of Charles Collins' old paintings in the tower room (and the interesting thing is that in the script this is the first time Quentin and Carlotta have shared a scene since he found them, but in the film as it stands the scene in Sarah's room after Quentin has seen Sarah screaming in the window takes place in between) and Quentin asks Carlotta, "Do you know anything about his history?", and the subtitles reflect that, but for some reason the closed captioning drops the "do" -


- and after Carlotta replies that she does and that he was a "marvelous man" and "a brilliant artist," Alex remarks, "Oh, you almost sound like you know him, Carlotta," and the subtitles also reflects that, but the closed captioning has -


- and to that Carlotta reacts with a sly smile and an unscripted titter, which the closed captioning acknowledges -


- but the subtitles ignores.

And from there things briefly go back as scripted, but more issues are to come...

...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2425 on: December 16, 2024, 10:20:20 PM »
Another post related to Scene 88 that's worth revisiting:

And something that's interesting about Scene 88 (and 89) for me is that I have never (and perhaps no one has ever) seen one still from the scene/sequence.

OMG - How could I have said such foolishness?! I (and apparently everyone else reading this topic, because no one corrected me  [santa_sad]) completely forgot about this still:


And as if it wasn't bad enough that I forgot about my own copy of the still (which I just came across while looking for stills for upcoming Scenes 96 & 97), but it also appears on page 24 of the booklet for the movies' soundtrack CD (though that version is somewhat cropped).

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2426 on: December 17, 2024, 03:56:04 PM »
And revisiting even more of Scene 88's closed captioning/subtitles:.

...

First up:

After Carlotta asks if they'll be having brandy in the Gallery, Quentin defers with a possibly improvised "Alex?", which the closed captioning reflects -


- but for some odd reason the subtitles has -


- and Alex replies to Quentin with "Uh, not me, pal. I'm up with the sun these days," which is a reworking of what's scripted, and for the most part the subtitles has most of it -


- but the closed captioning only has -


- and that's followed by an unscripted exchange between Quentin and Alex with Quentin asking, "Sure?" and Alex replying, "Positive," which both the subtitles and the closed captioning acknowledge -




And there's yet more to come...

...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2427 on: December 17, 2024, 07:42:10 PM »
And revisiting yet more of Scene 88's closed captioning and subtitles:

...

First up:

After it's decided not to have brandy, in a possibly improvised bit Alex asks Claire, "Ready, baby?", she replies, "Ready," and he repeats, "Ready," all of which is acknowledged in the subtitles -


- and the closed captioning -


- and after that, once they've gotten up and joined each other, Claire and Tracy possibly improvise some indecipherable chatter -


And there's even yet more to come as you may have gathered by the preview of part of it in the above clip...



(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2428 on: December 18, 2024, 01:00:10 AM »
Revisiting how the beginning of Scene 89 is scripted:

Setting up Scene 89:

89     INT - CORRIDOR - NIGHT                           89

       About half-way down, Quentin stops Alex, obviously
       not wanting the girls to hear him.  The girls
       continue on.


And that's when today's quote -

Page 39/Scene 89 - Quentin: 'Listen, I've had more of those crazy daydreams.'

- comes up.

And so far as anything being different with the dialogue, what Quentin actually says is "I'm having more of those crazy daydreams."

And so far as anything being different with the descriptions and directions, Quentin and Alex get barely past the dining room doorway when Quentin actually stops Alex - and we don't actually see Tracy and Claire continue down the corridor.

 [pointing-up]  And as far as "today's quote" goes, it was on December 15th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2429 on: December 18, 2024, 02:56:32 PM »
Wrapping up revisiting how Scene 89 is scripted, beginning with Alex's response to Quentin bringing up his "daydreams":

...

                           ALEX
               Want to talk about them?




89     CONTD                                   CONTD    89

       QUENTIN

       as he looks in the direction of Tracy.


And that's when today's quote -

Page 40/Scene 89 - Quentin: 'Not now. Why don't you come over tomorrow.'

- comes up.

End of scene and sequence.

And so far as anything being different with the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, Alex slaps Quentin on the back before he asks if Quentin wants to talk about his "daydreams" - and after Quentin presumably looks in the direction of Tracy (we don't see her), he turns to Alex, the "Not now" is dropped, and what Quentin actually asks him is "Can you come over tomorrow?" - and then, in yet more unscripted dialogue, Alex answers "Sure", and after Quentin smiles, Alex says "Okay" and slaps Quentin on the back again before the two start down the corridor.

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "today's quote" goes, it was December 16th's this time around.

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