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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2370 on: November 27, 2024, 10:30:10 PM »
Now let's travel all the way back to 2012 for this post that's worth revisiting:

...

But be that as it may, let's move on to something else - namely how I never really ever paid much notice to the sketch that's hanging on the wall near the door when Charles answers the door to Gabriel. And I have no idea how I actually could have paid little attention to it, particularly in the VHS version of the film where it seems to show up more prominently for a longer period of time:




Apparently one can easily presume that Angelique wasn't always as, uh, overly dressed as she was when she was posing for Charles' unfinished portrait.  [santa_grin]  And apparently this is yet further proof that no matter how often one watches something (and I've watched NoDS so many time that I lost count long ago) one can still pick up things on even more repeated viewings.  [santa_wink]

(ADMIN: Edited to add better images, including a Laser Disc capture)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2371 on: November 28, 2024, 04:14:02 PM »
Revisiting yet more of how Scene 85 is scripted, among other things:

Continuing with how Scene 85 is scripted:

Picking up where we left off with Scene 85, with ... Charles' reply to Gabriel -

Page 35A/Scene 85 - Charles: 'What's happened? You've suddenly become a man. (turning to Angelique) Will you take the credit, my dear?'

- coming up, followed by the script explaining:

       She laughs as Gabriel takes the opportunity to force
       his  way in.  Before Charles knows what's happening,
       Strack and FOUR OTHER MEN are coming through the door.




85     CONTD                                     CONTD  85

       Angelique rises in alarm as Charles tries to force
       them back.  Two of the men subdue him.


And that's when today's quote -

Page 36/Scene 85 - Charles: 'Leave her alone, Trask! I'm warning you! Gabriel, have you lost your mind?'

- comes up.

And as for what's different about the dialogue, what Charles actually first says to Gabriel is "Well, little brother's suddenly become a man. (turning to Angelique) Will you take the credit for that, my dear?" - and the reason I selected two captures for today's quote and repeated the entire quote for both is because 1) I couldn't decide which capture I liked best to represent it, but more importantly because 2) in the film what Charles is scripted to say is actually flipped around with him first saying (to Gabriel) -


Charles: 'Have you lost your mind?'

- and then (to Strack) -


Charles: 'You touch her and I'll kill you!'

- rather than substituting Strack for Trask and saying "Leave her alone, Strack! I'm warning you!"

And the only reason DC's script's Page 35A is indicated as being a part of the 3/31 rewrite is because, as you may have noticed, his script says "Before Charles knows what's happening, Strack and FOUR OTHER MEN are coming through the door", whereas Grayson's script's Page 35 says "Before Charles knows what's happening, Trask and FOUR OTHER MEN are coming through the door."

And once again, one good thing about the VHS version of the film is that it doesn't cut off a character's head, in this case, Strack's:


And as for what's different from the descriptions and directions, Angelique doesn't laugh at Charles' remark about Gabriel suddenly becoming a man - and it's only two other men that enter with Strack, not four - and we don't actually see Angelique rise because when we see her she's already standing in alarm - and before we even see Strack and the second man, ..., it's actually one of the men and Gabriel who subdue Charles.

Considering that supposedly the VHS and the Laser Disc versions used the same print of the film, for their transfers, it's quite interesting how so much better the flesh tones are on the Laser. Another case in point:


I'm really beginning to wonder if the same print really was used or if that info was misreported...

...

 [pointing-up]  And as far as the top quote above goes, it was November 24th's this time around, and "today's quote" was actually on November 25th.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2372 on: November 29, 2024, 03:42:12 PM »
Two more posts definitely worth revisiting:

Apparently Charles Collins was a man who believed in equal opportunity manhandling [9341] -


(Click here for a 1000X781 version)

- as this seventh as well as rare still to preview Scene 85 shows...

More join the fray in the eighth still to preview Scene 85:


(Click here for a 1203X925 version)

And so far as I can recall this still has only been published twice: a very small version is on page 224 of the DS Movie Book and a much better version was shared by Cinefantastique with its review, which The Doctor and K9 generously shared back in Reply #131.

(And speaking of the Cinefantastique review, I keep meaning to get back to make some comments on it - but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. But one day - perhaps when some of what I have to say relates to what we're covering in the slideshow...)

And as we saw, the still above is #6 in the NoDS Editor's Portfolio...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2373 on: November 29, 2024, 09:16:08 PM »
Two more posts worth revisiting

And now we move from stills depicting the scene to stills from behind the scenes to preview Scene 85:


(Click here for a 1000X779 version)
(Keep the fruit bowl in mind...)

This still first showed up in a Nov. '71 16 Magazine article and a Daytime TV article to promote the movie. And then in later years it showed up on page 111 of the DS Companion. Though all of those versions range from greatly cropped to slightly cropped...

And as we recently saw, this still is also #5 in the NoDS Editor's Portfolio...

Here's a still of DC directing to preview Scene 85:


This still first showed up on page 34 of the DS Almanac 30th Anniversary Tribute. But something that's really weird is there's a scan of it that shows up in a few places on the Internet and it's backwards. And even if people didn't realize which side the fabric should be on and which side the window should be on, one might think that in the backward version they'd noticed that the unfinished Angelique painting is oriented wrong...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2374 on: November 30, 2024, 01:08:12 AM »
And revisiting even yet more of the subtitles/closed captioning for Scene 85:

...

- and something else that I didn't notice before that's wrong is that the closed captioning has -


- and -


- and the subtitles have -


- but rather than saying "Stop it!" or just "Stop!" Charles actually calls out "Strack!" when he sees Strack enter the tower, and then he follows up with "You touch her and I'll kill you!"

...

(ADMIN: Edited to replace TV video captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2375 on: November 30, 2024, 03:48:12 PM »
Revisiting another Scene 85 behind the scenes still:

And another behind the scenes still featuring David Selby and Lara Parker to preview Scene 85:


(Click here for a 700X476 version)

This one is fairly rare - and it is something to keep in mind along with the still shared in Reply #216 because they will relate to something coming up in a couple days...

 [pointing-up]  Reply #216 was recently revisited as Reply #2373.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2376 on: November 30, 2024, 06:50:00 PM »
Three related posts worth revisiting:

Today's capture is further proof that -


- David Selby was the anointed successor to Joel Crothers in our DS Universe.  [naughty]

And I'm sure we all recall that almost exactly 11 years after DS went off, in a DS-related interview Crothers said that when he was on DS he would have loved to have played a character like Quentin. Of course, he wasn't offered the role. But who knows - maybe in some alternate universe Crothers actually did play Quentin on the daytime DS. And quite possibly that might also mean that he played Quentin and Charles in that universe's version of NoDS...  [wink2]

I wish I could somehow see a capture of the VHS version of the scene where Charles is shot from below as he's haranguing his dear brother who is about to invade the sanctity of his bower.

Awesome sketch of Charles's favorite model.  Good catch, MB!

Love the blurred glimpse of Rev Strack's insidious pout.  The Pout of Doom!

Very much enjoying this thread!!

I wish I could somehow see a capture of the VHS version of the scene where Charles is shot from below as he's haranguing his dear brother who is about to invade the sanctity of his bower.

Here's one -


- but it's not much different so far as an, uh, certain area goes.  [ghost_nowink]

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Love the blurred glimpse of Rev Strack's insidious pout.  The Pout of Doom!

Yes, Thayer is so good as Strack.

And as a final addition, here's a capture of that moment from the much clearer Laser Disc version of the film:


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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2377 on: November 30, 2024, 09:54:42 PM »
Picking up where we left off when it comes to how Scene 85 is scripted:

Continuing Scene 85 with the script explaining:

       Gabriel just stares at him.  Charles then looks at
       the men holding him.

                             CHARLES
                 Tom...Ward...

       They avoid his eyes.  As Trask steps toward
       Angelique, her eyes blazing defiantly and he
       suddenly thinks twice about touching her.


And that's when today's quote -

Page 36/Scene 85 - Trask (to the other two men): 'Take her!'

- comes up in the script.

But when it comes to what's different about the dialogue in the film, both Charles' "Tom...Ward..." and Strack's "Take her!" are dropped, with Charles line being dropped because, as we got into yesterday, the subduing of Charles is handled very differently in the film than it is in the script.

And when it comes to references to Trask in the script, Page 36 in Grayson's script has all instances of Trask's name crossed out and replaced with Strack (though that's not the case with her Page 35), but Page 36 in DC's script does not - and since we're using DC's script here, that's why the quote is attributed to Trask and Trask's name still appears in the descriptions and directions.

And speaking of what's different from the descriptions and directions, Gabriel doesn't just stare at Charles after Charles asks him if he's lost his mind because in the film Charles' attention is immediately turned to Strack once he enters the room and Gabriel's attention is soon focused on what's about to go on with regard to Angelique - and Charles doesn't look at the two men holding him because, again, Charles' circumstances are different in the film, so it will come as no surprise that it's also a case that the two men referred to in the script do not avoid Charles' eyes - and in the film Strack makes no attempt to step toward Angelique, nor do we even see her eyes blazing defiantly at him because as we can see in today's capture -


- Strack merely looks to his bald henchmen (and have you ever wondered why it is that so often henchmen are bald?) and motions for him to take Angelique.

 [pointing-up]  And so far as "Today's quote" goes, it was actually November 26th's quote this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2378 on: December 01, 2024, 12:32:10 AM »
Another behind the scenes still:

Now, this next rare still is definitely behind the scenes - and it could very easily be behind the scenes preparing for Scene 85. But it could also be behind the scenes preparing for Scenes 102 or 124 because Charles and Gabriel are wearing the same clothes.


(Click here for a 1400X1557 version)

And, although Charles is also wearing a black vest in Scene 102, Selby could have easily put that on after getting his sideburns attended to. But I chose to go with Scene 85 because it's the longest. And who knows, all those scenes might have been shot on the same day...

Also, it's amusing that in the still there's a copy of Bram Stoker's Dracula on the table near Selby -


- though, of course, that doesn't necessarily mean it was his or he was reading it. It could have been left on the table by anyone...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2379 on: December 01, 2024, 04:02:32 PM »
And wrapping up revisiting how Scene 85 is scripted:

And wrapping up Scene 85, beginning with the script explaining:

       As one of the men moves toward Angelique, Charles
       tries to pull away, but can't.  As the man touches
       her, she suddenly goes wild and in one lightning
       move viciously claws his face.  He jerks away as
       the others hang back in fear.

       ANGELIQUE - CLOSE-UP


And that's when today's quote -

Page 36/Scene 85 - Angelique: (deadly calm) 'I'll go with you. But don't any of you touch me.'

- comes up.

Scripted end of the subconscious memory - but not the end as it appears in the film - nor is it the end of the sequence.

And when it comes to what's different about the dialogue in the film, Angelique actually adds a "Don't any of you touch me!" before the scripted lines, which are delivered as "I'll come with you. But don't any of you touch me", and I wouldn't say her lines are delivered in a deadly calm manner because, to me, it looks like she's seething with anger, speaking through gritted teeth, and even trembling because she's so angry - and after Angelique delivers her lines, Strack orders an unscripted "Come with us, Angelique Collins!" from off screen.

And so far as what's different with the descriptions and directions, Charles doesn't try to pull away as Strack's henchman moves toward Angelique - and we actually get a shot of a wild-looking Angelique -


- before she claws -


- Strack's henchmen - but while we do see her clawing-hand and the results of its handiwork -


- we never do actually see her hand on the henchman's face - and after Strack orders her to come with them, Angelique moves directly toward the camera as her image gets more and more out of focus the closer she gets to the camera.

 [pointing-up]  And as far as "today's quote" goes, it was November 27th's this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2380 on: December 01, 2024, 07:32:02 PM »
Revisiting more stills that could be associated with Scene 85:

... things are switching to Angelique publicity stills that were taken in the tower room. First up:


And to my memory the only place that still has appeared is in the NoDS Pressbook as part of the following article -


- and that article might explain the body language Lara Parker exhibits in the stills in Reply #222 and especially Reply #216.

And fair warning to pay close attention to the publicity stills because they may come in handy because there may be a quiz down the line...  [hall2_wink]

 [pointing-up]  The stills referred to as being in Replies #216 and #222 were most recently revisited as Reply #2373.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2381 on: December 01, 2024, 10:30:10 PM »
Revisiting a comment related to the above still, which I forgot to point out is #47 in the NoDS Editor's Portfolio:

That shot of Lara is one of the first things that I purchased for my collection back in 1971. I don't know how I discovered it but MGM had a still department that you could buy stuff from. They were very nice to deal with. If you asked for an image from a particular scene, they would do their best to accommodate you. I bought about eight or nine pictures from them before the NYC office shut down in 1972 or so, probably due to MGM's financial problems. I might have bought more, except that the price was high for the time. A huge $1.25 apiece!

Try getting a still for $1.25 nowdays! No way!!  [nodno]  And just for the fun of it, I checked to see what $1.25 would be in today's dollars: it came out to $9.33. THAT even seems cheap because it's less than what a lot of people charge for stills nowadays. For example, the last time I checked eBay the majority of NoDS stills were going for $15.00...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2382 on: December 01, 2024, 11:40:54 PM »
[Two more Angelique stills worth revisiting:

Two Angelique publicity stills that were taken in the tower room:


(Click here for a 807X1000 version)


(Click here for a 700X487 version)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2383 on: December 02, 2024, 04:54:44 AM »
Oops - I forgot to revisit these posts:

That shot of Lara is one of the first things that I purchased for my collection back in 1971.

I can certainly understand why you would want it because I love it too. I also love the top still in Reply #231 above. In fact, I had Lara autograph an 8X10 of it at the 1989 DS Fest and ever since it's been proudly displayed on a shelf in the bookcase in my home office.  [hall2_wink]

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I don't know how I discovered it but MGM had a still department that you could buy stuff from. They were very nice to deal with. If you asked for an image from a particular scene, they would do their best to accommodate you. I bought about eight or nine pictures from them before the NYC office shut down in 1972 or so, probably due to MGM's financial problems.

That sounds similar to how Cinema Attic operated. As I've mentioned, I bought a lot of NoDS stuff from them back in the '70s. And as far as stills were concerned, you could write to ask how many stills they had featuring certain actors from a certain film and they would not only provide a number but a mimeo page or mimeo pages of thumbnails of the actual stills so that you'd know exactly what you'd be purchasing.

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I might have bought more, except that the price was high for the time. A huge $1.25 apiece!

LOL!

Though what's really funny is that I don't even remember how much I paid Cinema Attic for any of the stuff I bought from them. It was almost 50 years ago, so I'm sure that has something to do with it, however, back in the '90s I also bought quite a bit of stuff from Jerry Ohlinger's Movie Material Store in NYC and I couldn't tell you how much I paid for that stuff either.  [hall2_grin]  In both cases I was just happy that I could afford the things I bought. And in the case of Ohlinger's the things I bought were nice souvenirs from my trips to NYC...

My BFF Helen and I used to make regular trips into NYC just to Jerry Ohlinger's. They had, as I remember, five separate books of DS stills. Original series color. Original series black and white. House. Night. And the NBC show. There were photos of virtually every actor connected with DS. I think that the 8x10's were $5.00 each. I know that I usually dropped at least $100 each time I went, with the DS stuff and a fair amount of Nancy Sinatra and Deborah Harry pictures as well.
My favorite memory involves a vintage shot of TLATKLS. I didn't think that it was that bad a photo but she apparently didn't care for it. There was a Post It note next to the picture with this written in bold: WILL NOT SIGN THIS.  [hall2_rolleyes] [hall2_grin] [hall2_rolleyes]

My BFF Helen and I used to make regular trips into NYC just to Jerry Ohlinger's.

I can certainly understand why because they had some great stuff!  [hall2_wink]

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I think that the 8x10's were $5.00 each.

That sounds about right.

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I know that I usually dropped at least $100 each time I went

I definitely had to limit myself to $100 because otherwise I could have spent insanely. Some people might think $100 was insane - but most times I was in NY for a DS Fest, so I'd budgeted just how much I could spend on DS memorabilia for the entire trip and no more than $100 would be Ohlinger's share.

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My favorite memory involves a vintage shot of TLATKLS. I didn't think that it was that bad a photo but she apparently didn't care for it. There was a Post It note next to the picture with this written in bold: WILL NOT SIGN THIS.  [hall2_rolleyes] [hall2_grin] [hall2_rolleyes]

Why doesn't that surprise me?  [hall2_grin]  But to be fair I think sometimes we all wish certain photos of us didn't exist but no one else seems to see anything wrong with them...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2384 on: December 02, 2024, 02:44:02 PM »
Two more Angelique stills worth revisiting:

And the last of the stills ..., two more Angelique publicity stills that were taken in the tower room:




(Click here for a 1481X1000 version)

I forgot to mention yesterday that the bottom still in Reply #231 was published on page 188 of DS: Return to Collinwood. And the bottom still in this post was published as October's photo in the Fest's 1999 Movie Calendar. However, so far as I know, the other two photos haven't been officially published anywhere...

 [nods]