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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2160 on: September 09, 2024, 12:22:16 AM »
Revisiting a difference when it comes to the HD versions of the film:

Today's quote actually ends Scene 38 in the film because Tracy's line that comes up in the script after it is moved to and delivered earlier in the sequence. And Scene 39 doesn't appear in the film as it currently stands, only in the 128 minute version. But this post is going to deal with the beginning of Scene 39 for two reasons. First, when I posted the excerpt of the script back in 2016 I neglected to include dialogue that Grayson added to her script:

39     HIGH ANGLE                                        39
          __________/ I brought some white wine
       as |Carlotta| ENTERS with the tray.  Tracy crosses
       to the table, Quentin still stands at the window.    I hope
                                                 you  like it


And that leads to reason two because the VHS version of the end of Scene 38 plays like this -


- and the DVD/Blu-ray version plays similarly -


- however, the HD version available on Amazon Video and iTunes plays like this (and I've included the subtitles to further emphasize it) -


...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2161 on: September 09, 2024, 05:14:00 PM »
Revisiting the subtitles/closed captioning for Scenes 38 & 39:

Finishing off Scene 38 and moving on to Scene 39 to complete the sequence:

After Tracy asks Quentin what's wrong and what he's thinking about, as the script indicates Quentin suddenly realizes Tracy is next to him and he really only mouths the "What?" part of his scripted lines and what he actually does say is "Nothing ... I was just daydreaming, I guess." - and both the subtitles and the closed captioning reflect that perfectly - and near the end of Quentin's delivery Tracy sighs at his explanation - however, neither the subtitles nor the closed captioning acknowledges that - and Tracy's scripted line about how the view is so beautiful isn't delivered because, as I've already mentioned, it was moved to Scene 33 - and while Carlotta's return to the room doesn't actually take place in the film as it currently stands and while we do not hear the entirety of her unscripted line, "I brought some white wine. I hope you like it," in any other than the 129 minute version, part of it is heard in the version of the film available on Amazon Prime Video and iTunes - and the subtitles for the Amazon version do indeed acknowledge that -


- and as is obvious given today's graphic for today's quote, Tracy's quoted off screen line encouraging Quentin to come over because everything looks delicious doesn't appear in any version of the film as it currently stands, however, it also does appear in the recovered footage...

...

And the graphic/quote referred to is this one -


Page 13/Scene 39 - Tracy (O.S.): 'Come on, darling ... it
looks delicious.'

which was for September 4th this time around

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2162 on: September 09, 2024, 09:16:16 PM »
Revisiting an update:

And getting back to Grayson's script, she has a notation that Carlotta should start to serve, and the notation does go on a bit from there, but, unfortunately, it's hard to decipher all of her handwriting, so we'll leave it at that.

Since then I have been able to decipher it:

       QUENTIN - CLOSE-UP

       He is still trying to understand what it was he
       saw.
                                                         I should
                             TRACY (O.S.)            start to
                 Come on, darling ... it looks      serve - I
                 delicious.                          stop her
                                                       with a look
                                             DISSOLVE TO:   that she
                                                             useless
40     INT - MASTER BEDROOM - NIGHT                      40


And wow, if Carlotta actually does give her a look like that, she's really starting off practically right from the outset to show her disdain for Tracy. And it's interesting that even though all of that end of Scene 39 is cut in the 94 and 97 minute versions of the film, there's still a dissolve to Scene 40...

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2163 on: September 10, 2024, 12:40:16 AM »
Revisiting one last thing associated with the Gallery sequence:

... this still -


(Click here for a 700X1028 version)

 - which I'd forgotten I have - though a somewhat cropped version appears on page 184 of The DS Movie Book and a greatly cropped version is the inside back cover image for the Movie Soundtracks' CD case -


- and for some reason the details of the window are blown out of both print versions, which is unfortunate because the details of that Gallery window are stunning.

And it's interesting that in this still, unlike in the one I shared in Reply #779, Quentin isn't wearing his jacket and instead has it thrown over his shoulder similarly to how he has it in the film.

And additionally, seeing this still makes me question just where does Carlotta serve that salad? I suppose it's on that round table behind Quentin and Tracy (the same table on which the seance is held). But with that lamp on it, it doesn't seem like there would be all that much room for food and wine - though I suppose the angle from which the still is taken could be deceiving...

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2164 on: September 10, 2024, 03:02:14 PM »
Revisiting how most of Scene 40 is scripted:

Setting up the new scene, which is part of a sequence in the script that is very different from the way it appears in the current version of the film:

                                             DISSOLVE TO:

40     INT - MASTER BEDROOM - NIGHT                      40

       Tracy is already in bed as Quentin is still
       getting ready.


And that's when today's quote -

Page 13/Scene 40 - Tracy: 'We're very naughty. We should have at least called the Jenkins'.'

- comes up.

And it's still the case that there aren't any differences between the way DC's and Grayson Hall's scripts are written up to this point - though there is a notation in DC's script that we'll get into below...

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, what Tracy actually says is "Well, I think we're very naughty. We should have at least tried to call the Jenkins." And I have no idea why the quoted line uses the possessive form of Jenkins (Jenkins') because most would take Tracy's intent to mean phone the Jenkins as people and not, say, phone their house, so that's why I didn't use the possessive form. But the possessive form is the way it appears in the script, so that's the way it's quoted.

And so far as the directions and descriptions go, while DC's script has a notation that seems to indicate that he'd planned for Scene 40 to begin with a shot of Tracy in bed, as can be seen in today's capture -


- the scene actually begins with Tracy in the background and Quentin in the foreground. And I absolutely love how Quentin's face is in shadow and silhouetted.

 [pointing-up] And so far as "today's quote" goes, it was on September 5th this time around.

Continuing with Scene 40 with Quentin's reply to Tracy:

                             QUENTIN
                 They'll understand.




40     CONTD                                     CONTD   40

       He crosses to the bed and gets in.


And that's when today's first quote -

Page 14/Scene 40 - Quentin: 'Are you going to be happy here?'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 14/Scene 40 - Tracy: 'Yes, if you are ...'

- coming up.

And there are still no differences between the way DC's and Grayson Hall's scripts are written up to this point - and there are also no notations in DC's script for this part of the scene.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, what Quentin actually asks is "Are you gonna be happy here?" - and what Tracy actually replies is "Well, I think I am if you are..."

And so far as the directions and descriptions go, Quentin actually shuts off a table lamp, crosses to a window and closes it, moves closer to the bed to flick the switch to shut off both wall lights, and then removes his slippers and robe before getting into bed.

And can I just say that, as can be seen in the either of today's captures -


- the shot of Quentin and Tracy in bed from this part of the scene must be one of the darkest things ever shot for any version of DS. But then, this isn't called Dark Shadows for nothing...

 [pointing-up] And as far as "today's" quotes/captures go, they were on September 6th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2165 on: September 10, 2024, 07:14:10 PM »
When I checked for something regarding how today's quote in the slideshow plays in the film I discovered that back in 2016 not only didn't I feature some unscripted dialogue related to yesterday's quotes, I didn't even acknowledge that there is unscripted dialogue associated with them!  [6184] Bad MB!  [ghost_embarrassed]

So to remedy that, after Quentin actually asks Tracy, "Are you gonna be happy here?," she actually replies, "Well, I think I am if you are...," Quentin replies to that with an unscripted -


"I guess I will be."

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2166 on: September 11, 2024, 02:46:14 PM »
Backtracking a bit to revisit some posts about the serving of the salad Carlotta made:

And additionally, seeing this still makes me question just where does Carlotta serve that salad? I suppose it's on that round table behind Quentin and Tracy (the same table on which the seance is held). But with that lamp on it, it doesn't seem like there would be all that much room for food and wine - though I suppose the angle from which the still is taken could be deceiving...

Considering how much regard Carlotta has for Tracy, I wouldn't have been surprised to see her bring Tracy's salad in on a TV tray.

Considering how much regard Carlotta has for Tracy, I wouldn't have been surprised to see her bring Tracy's salad in on a TV tray.

 [stfl] I suspect you may be on to something there!!  [b003]  It never occurred to me, but it would definitely solve the problem of the table possibly being too small!!  [thumb]

Maybe one day we actually will see how the salad gets served - well, if DC shows it and doesn't stay on the shot of Quetin for the whole end of the scene. But if DC did do the latter, in my mind I will always picture Carlotta having brought in Tracy's salad on a TV tray!!  [nodassent]

...

I think that Carlotta had thought she could get away with it, she would have "accidentally" served Tracy food that would have gone to Brutus and Tar.

 [pointing-up]  Why do I have no trouble believing that?!  [ghost_wink] [ghost_cheesy]

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2167 on: September 11, 2024, 06:36:44 PM »
Revisiting the subtitles/closed captioning for Scene 40:

...

At the outset of the scene, Tracy actually says, "Well, I think we're very naughty. We should have at least tried to call the Jenkins." - however, the subtitles has -


 - with "at least" dropped - and the closed captioning drops even more because it has -



- with not only "at least" dropped but also "Well, I think"- and after Quentin replies they'll understand, he shuts off lights and undresses, and gets into bed, Quentin actually asks, "Are you gonna be happy here?" - and the subtitles reflect that - however, as per usual with its dislike of "gonna," the closed captioning has -


- interestingly enough, though, the line is scripted with "going to" rather than "gonna" - and after Tracy actually replies with "Well, I think I am, if you are...," in what is as clear as day on the VHS/Laser, Quentin then delivers an unscripted "I guess I will be." - and the closed captioning reflects that perfectly -


- but for some very odd reason, the subtitles for the DVD/Blu-ray releases and the HD version on Amazon Prime Video and iTunes have Quentin saying -


More to come...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2168 on: September 11, 2024, 10:50:44 PM »
Revisiting how the end of Scene 40 is scripted:

Concluding Scene 40 ...:

First up, today's quote -

Page 14/Scene 40 - Quentin: 'I am. I don't know why ... or how ... I don't really understand it ... but I almost feel as if I had come home at last.'

- which is then followed in the script by:

       They are in each other's arms as we slowly

...

End of scene - though not end of sequence as it will pick up in tomorrow's post with the morning after...

...

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the way Quentin's dialogue for Scene 40 works is that he actually says "I guess I will be", and then after they snuggle closer and Quentin kisses Tracy's forehead, he adjusts his head back on his pillow, puts his right arm behind his head, and actually says "I don't know why" - to which Tracy replies with an unscripted questioning grunt - and then Quentin actually continues with "I almost feel like I've come home again" - and Tracy actually replies to that with an unscripted "Well, that's good."

...

 [pointing-up] And as far as "today's quote" goes, it was September 7th this time around.

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2169 on: September 12, 2024, 02:50:04 PM »
Revisiting more unscripted dialogue from Scene 40:

The way that the section of Scene 40 that today's quote actually plays out in the film is that after Quentin adjusts his head back on his pillow, he puts his right arm behind his head and he actually says "I don't know why," Tracy replies with an unscripted -


"HMM?"

... - and then Quentin actually continues with "I almost feel like I've come home again," to which Tracy actually replies with an unscripted -


"Well, that's good."

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2170 on: September 12, 2024, 05:56:40 PM »
Wrapping up the subtitles/closed captioning for Scene 40:

...

After a bit of cuddling, Quentin puts his right hand behind his head and actually starts to say, "I don't know why..." - and both the subtitles and the closed captioning acknowledge that perfectly - but to that Tracy responds with an unscripted -


- but only the closed captioning acknowledges it - and then Quentin continues by actually saying, "I almost feel like I've come home again" - and both the subtitles and the closed captioning also acknowledge that perfectly - and to that Tracy replies with an unscripted "Well, that's good." - and again both the subtitles and the closed captioning acknowledge that perfectly -




End of scene.

...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2171 on: September 12, 2024, 09:12:10 PM »
Revisiting how Scenes 41 through 45 are scripted:

...

                                             DISSOLVE TO:

41     EXT - FRONT OF COLLINWOOD - NIGHT - WIDE ANGLE    41

       It is much later.  The house is completely dark.
       The only sound is the GENTLE MOANING OF THE WIND.
       Suddenly the strange light we saw in the opening
       sequence begins to emanate from the Tower Room.
       CAMERA starts a SLOW ZOOM IN

42     INT - MASTER BEDROOM - NIGHT                      42

       Quentin and Tracy are asleep.  The curtains billow
       gently at the windows.  CAMERA STARTS A SLOW TRUCK
       IN on Quentin as he begins to stir restlessly in
       his sleep.  Finally he rolls over on his back.  His
       eyes are wide open and he seems to be listening
       intently to some unheard sound.  Slowly he starts
       to rise from the bed as CAMERA TRUCKS back revealing
       Tracy still sound asleep.  Quentin, now out of the
       bed and moving as if in a trance, puts on his robe
       and quietly EXITS the room.

43     INT - CORRIDOR - OUTSIDE MASTER BEDROOM - LOW     43
       ANGLE

       as Quentin ENTERS the shot PAN with him as he
       starts toward the stairway to the third floor.

44     EXT - COLLINWOOD - NIGHT                          44

       SHOT favors the windows of the Tower Room, they
       still glow faintly from the light within.

       HOLD on this for a moment as Quentin suddenly
       appears near the windows and then moves out of




44     CONTD                                     CONTD   44

       sight toward another part of the room.  RACK
       FOCUS to EXTREME CLOSE-UP of Gerard, who has
       been standing there watching, his eyes blazing
       with hatred.

                                             DISSOLVE TO:

45     INT - MASTER BEDROOM - NIGHT                      45

       Tracy, alone in the bed, stirs, half awake.  She
       reaches out for Quentin, awakens a little more,
       sees he is gone.  Then she falls back to sleep.


End of scene - though not end of sequence as it will pick up in tomorrow's post with the morning after...

And there are still no differences between the way DC's and Grayson Hall's scripts are written up to this point - but there is a notations in DC's script that we'll get into below...

...

...unlike how the script indicates that the end of Scene 40 dissolves into the beginning of Scene 41, in the film it's actually a simple cut to a shot -


- of the front of Collinwood - and the shot does not show any light in the tower room, nor does the shot zoom in - however, in one of the trailers for the film there is a shot of the back Collinwood that zooms in to a light moving in the tower room -


- so it's quite possible that is the shot that was originally intended to be Scene 41 - and DC has a notation on his script that he wanted Scene 45 to come before the section of Scene 44 that deals with Gerard.

And as we know, Scenes 42 through 45 do not appear in the film as it stands. Due to MGM's demanded cuts, they are replaced by a dream sequence that's made up of Scene 126 (though audio only from some of the dialogue from that scene), Scene 145 & 146, and Scenes 101 through 103 (though in Grayson's script part of Scene 101 was originally Scene 67 before a 3/31 rewrite - but more on that when we get to that part of the script).

(ADMIN: Edited to add video and remove screen captures)

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2172 on: September 12, 2024, 11:22:44 PM »
Revisiting the following post does touch on some of the same things as the post above, but it also deals with a few other things that post doesn't deal with:

...

I suspect a shot that appears as the opening of the 1 minute NoDS trailer that's from the back of the house (and not the front) and which shows a zoom in on Collinwood's tower with a light moving across the windows  may have been Scene 41. Trouble is that scene probably only appeared in the 150 minute rough cut of the film that was only screened for production personnel because, as Darren Gross wrote on his Restoration Web site, it's footage that was not recovered when the 129 minute version of the film was found. In fact nothing from Scenes 41 - 45 was recovered:

Quote
The following is a list of scenes that are still lost and which are not present in the 129 min version recovered in 1999.

...

EXT- FRONT OF COLLINWOOD-NIGHT. The Tower begins to glow. INT. MASTER BEDROOM- Quentin rises in a trance and leaves. INT. CORRIDOR-NIGHT. Quentin walks towards stairway. EXT.COLLINWOOD-NIGHT. Quentin appears in tower window. GERARD watches.

And the main reason I don't think it matters that the shot is from the back (and not the front) is that there are other shots of Collinwood where it was scripted to be from a certain angle but in the film it's actually from a different angle.

And it's really quite unfortunate that Scene 44 didn't survive beyond the rough cut because it helps a great deal to explain Gerard's motivation in the film. But then, we all know how little character motivations mattered to DC when it comes to the two DS films.  [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_mad]

It's also interesting that DC indicates in his script that he wanted Scene 45 to take place in the film after Quentin appears near the windows in Scene 44 and before the part of Scene 44 in which Gerard is seen in extreme close-up with hatred in his eyes. That probably would have been more effective. But it doesn't really matter because in the end none of it got into the film...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2173 on: September 13, 2024, 02:08:40 PM »
Revisiting the dream:

As we know, as NoDS currently stands, what replaces Scenes 41 through 45 is an amalgam of things taken from what were originally intended to be other parts of the film and turned into a dream. The sequence is made up of Scene 126 (though audio only from some of the dialogue from that scene), Scenes 145 & 146, and Scenes 101 through 103 (though in Grayson's script part of Scene 101 was originally Scene 67 before a 3/31 rewrite - but more on that when we get to that part of the script).

One of the things that I think is most effective in the dream sequence is Strack's echoing voiceover at the dream's start. Now, we know that after the enforced marathon edit, David Selby was called in to loop a voiceover for the scene in which Quentin, Tracy, Claire and Alex try to find a way into the house after Gerard gets his comeuppance. And Darren Gross has written that John Karlen also did some looping to make things clearer, though he doesn't say what Karlen did and I've never been able to discern on my own what it might be. But I've often wondered if Thayer David was also called in to loop Strack's dream voiceover? Even apart from the echoing effect, it's different from how Strack's condemnation plays during the actual hanging:

The dream:

STRACK
Angelique Collins, you have been
condemned as a witch and you must
die as a witch. Let your soul be
returned to the pits of darkness
forevermore. For thou knowest we
do what we must for thy sake, in
thy name. Amen. Prepare yourself
for eternity, witch. Let the devil take
his own!

The hanging (edited down to being more similar to the dream voiceover):

STRACK
Angelique Collins, you have been
condemned as a witch and you must
die. But your spirit will not live after
you for your earthly remains will
hang her until your spirit returns to
the pits of darkness forevermore.
...
For thou knowest that we do what we
must for thy sake, in thy name.
Amen. Prepare yourself for eternity,
witch. Let the devil take his own!

Interestingly enough, the "Angelique Collins, you have been condemned as a witch and you must die as a witch. Let your soul be returned to the pits of darkness forevermore" part of the dream's voice over is the way it's written in the script for the hanging, but it's actually delivered as "Angelique Collins, you have been condemned as a witch and you must die. But your spirit will not live after you for your earthly remains will hang her until your spirit returns to the pits of darkness forevermore."

And unfortunately, if Darren has shown what actually plays in the 129 minute version in the place that the dream currently appears - if it is indeed the dream or some portion thereof - I'm not sure because I'm pretty certain I've never seen it if it was shown because I would remember because it's a big question I have regarding the 129 minute version...

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Re: Happy 50th Anniversary, Night of Dark Shadows
« Reply #2174 on: September 13, 2024, 06:10:06 PM »
Revisiting the start of the subtitles/closed captioning for Strack's dream voiceover:

...

Both the subtitles and the closed captioning has the beginning perfect -





- though when it comes to the next bit, the subtitles have it perfect -


- but the closed captioning does not -


- with the "as a witch" part dropped - and as I mentioned in Reply #1211, interestingly enough, the way the closed captioning has it is the way it plays in the actual hanging scene.

(And yet more examples of how the colors are off in the VHS/laser version.)

More to come...

...

 [nods]