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I happened to be looking on amazon for something just now, and amazon has dropped the price of the DS DVD sets since this thread was started -- they're even less than at deepdiscount.

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Thank you, Michael! I had been wracking my brain about this - you would think I would have figured it out since 1840 is possibly my favorite storyline, and I watched it again this past Spring! I had also done a google search on "Trask Chapel" and DS, but didn't come up with the answer then, either.

I found my notes regarding Daphne Harridge Collins' funeral in 1841, with the Bible verses read by Catherine Harridge Collins, which I then googled. Not sure which translation they used since none of those that come up in an Internet search precisely match.

"There are many who say, 'O that we might see some good!
Lift up the light of thy countenance upon us, O LORD!"
Thou hast put more joy in my heart
than they have when their grain and wine abound.
In peace I will both lie down and sleep;
for thou alone, O LORD, makest me dwell in safety."

(Psalm 4:6-8)

As recited by Lara Parker, it sounded like a dirge - though that may have been appropriate given the circumstances.

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Morbid, but a fascinating look at the social customs of that time.

Two 19th century funerals on DS that come to mind - 1) The one at the Trask chapel (well, this was more of a viewing rather than a funeral per se), but I can't remember whom this was for or even what storyline this was. Trask later accused Quentin of arranging a tryst with a floosie who ended up dead; and 2) The somber funeral of Daphne Harridge in 1841PT, with a Bible passage recited by Lara Parker that she read very depressingly. I tracked down that scriptural passage and it's in my notes somewhere for 1841.

The website referenced above reminded me of a couple of family mementos - one is an engraved invitation to the funeral of my great-grandfather who died young in 1897, and the section about using human hair for memorials reminded me of a pocket watch belonging to my other great grandfather, the chain of which was made from the braided hair of my great-grandmother.

I always felt that the mourning customs and general air of Collinwood during the times of family deaths had a feeling of authenticity.

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Thanks for notifying us about this, Nancy. I remember a rather lively ... if not heated ... discussion here some time ago about who was responsible for the creation of Barnabas's character. I'm anxious to read Mr. Frid's comments!

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I had thought about posting this, too, Taeylor ... DeepDiscount has these 40 percent off sales two or maybe three times a year. But the sets are still pretty expensive even then. This is a good opportunity if you want to give someone your Christmas wish list - I ordered four sets for myself now, so my family doesn't even need to do the shopping! I will now have 16 out of the 32 sets for the series (at least I think there are 32). So, still a ways to go, and it may take several years at this rate to get the entire series.

Gothick's suggestion sounds good, if you can be sure that the vendors selling DS collections as "new" truly are new. I was able to get the out-of-print Midnite Movies double disk "Twice Told Tales"/"Tales of Terror" from one of these vendors right before Halloween, and it certainly appears to be brand new and never used, with the original shrink wrap.


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Really nicely done article. Thanks for letting us know about it, jimbo!



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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Another New Slideshow
« on: October 23, 2009, 04:53:12 AM »
Thanks for the explanations, MB.  [hall2_grin]

Thayer David is a master!  [hall2_smiley]

I do apologize for a nonsensical sentence in my earlier comment. I had meant to remove a remark about not having appreciated Chris Pennock in the past, but somehow my own hasty editing left part of that comment in.  [hall2_rolleyes] To clarify, I didn't think much of his Jeb portrayal, but came around to Mr. Pennock in his role as Gabriel. I think I liked him even better in 1841 PT - at least, I think he was in 1841PT. I re-watched 1841 PT twice this year but with some personal disruptions since then, I'm experiencing a memory lapse. And he seemed a very gracious man at one of the fests I attended.

As far as Thayer David goes, I've appreciated all his performances. He reminds me somewhat of Orson Welles, in fact. And I don't know how/why I wrote "David Thayer" in my earlier post.   [hall2_embarrassed]

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Current Talk '09 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0846
« on: October 21, 2009, 10:06:46 PM »
I think there must have been a real butler involved, though not necessarily named Edward.  Edward Collins had memories of his service with the Earl of Hampshire, for example helping the Earl out when the Earl forgot details.  If the Earl of Hampshire's butler is dead, then the situations of Edward Collins and of Charity Trask after the Kiss of Truth are similar.

A good example of how Dark Shadows keeps us thinking, wondering, by leaving so many things unexplained. Some people attribute this attribute of DS to sloppy writing.

But so often, things are left ambiguous that could very, very easily have been "explained." I really think that this tendency not to explain everything was deliberate, and I find it a very interesting choice for a TV show to make.

The DS viewer was not "spoon fed" all the answers, and everything wasn't wrapped up in a neat little bow.

That's one of the things that makes me appreciate the show.


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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Another New Slideshow
« on: October 21, 2009, 02:56:12 AM »
This probably isn't the right place to post this ... but I didn't want to start a new thread. Today's screen capture from NODS (from a deleted scene?) is great. It looks like a step back in time. I didn't always appreciate Chris Pennock and David Thayer look like they really are from another era. Something about the composition of the photo is striking! It makes me wish for a restored version of the film, which had so much more to it before the studio-mandated cuts and recutting basically ruined it, IMO.

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David, that's so funny, because several years ago I had set aside some other favorite childhood books in an enclosed bookcase, and last week I noticed that one of these was "The Secret of Saturday Cove" by Barbee Oliver Carleton, a hardcover from the Weekly Reader Children's Bookclub. I hadn't realized that I had another book by the author of "The Mystery of the Witches' Bridge." I finished "Witches' Bridge" a few days ago, and leafing through "Saturday Cove," I didn't notice anything very similar to "Witches' Bridge" (not to mention DS) but after what you said, I may want to re-read this one, too. I don't remember any more what it was that made me set it aside a few years ago as I have no memory of the book now.

One of the things I remembered from my childhood reading of "Witches' Bridge was that there was actually nothing supernatural behind the events. That may have disappointed me at the time, especially since this was during the era when DS was first influencing our lives. Re-reading it now, I have a new appreciation for it. If you read it, the scene at Lamie's island is remarkably "deep" ... the earlier chapters reminded me rather of "Jane Eyre." And from the first scene to the last, I pictured the hired man character as JOHN KARLEN. He would have been perfect for playing this character. (Incidentally, I found that someone is writing a screenplay of "Witches' Bridge," so let's hope for a good result.)

The quote "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" did recur toward the end of the book, but was definitely not the source of my "memory" of the DS scene that apparently never happened.

The website for tracking down old books is a good resource that I also came across recently. Hope that the book turns out to be the right one, Gothick!

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Interesting to read the opinion of several posters who disagree with the British folklore critic.* Since I haven't read Polidori's "The Vampyre," I can't offer an opinion, but the fact that several disagree with this view gives one pause.

Looks like I'll have a couple of titles to add to my reading list -- "Varney the Vampire" and Polidori's "The Vampyre." I've known about both of these from the first book about vampires I ever got when I was 12 (could it have been from Scholastic?). I read the haunting "Carmilla" for the first time about three years ago, as well as a number of LeFanu's other ambiguous tales.

I never would have guessed that DS was inspired by a movie called "Dracula's Daughter." I'm afraid I gave it a miss when it has aired in the past. The title didn't sound terribly promising (for that matter, neither did "Varney the Vampire," until I saw now that "Varney" is a real English surname). I'll try to catch "Dracula's Daughter" next time it airs (maybe Halloween?).

I also just realized that I own a first edition of the book ("Mazeppa") wherein Byron's "Fragment" was first published, which inspired Dr. Polidori. The book actually isn't worth much - apparently everything Byron wrote was a best-seller, so it isn't exactly rare, and mine is an old discarded library copy. Still, it's an interesting item to possess.


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* "In folk-based vampire traditions, the creature is usually regarded as the manifestation of the devil and not the object for romantic pity. Polidori implies that if vampires are guilty, then so is all humanity. As a result, the supernatural being is humanised and given qualities that are intended to arouse the audience's horror or sympathy ... It is easy enough to recognise the romantic figure of the Byronic hero recast in the mold of a vampire."  -- Juliette Wood, "Vampires in English Fiction: Popular Tradition and Historical Sources"

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Current Talk '09 II / Was Barnabas Collins the First Sympathetic Vampire?
« on: October 06, 2009, 05:42:23 AM »
Zahir's mention in another thread about the early English vampire novel "Varney the Vampire" got me thinking ...

I have always taken it as a given that Barnabas Collins was the first vampire to be presented sympathetically. This innovative approach to the vampire has been credited to Jonathan Frid himself for the interpretation he gave the role -- to Art Wallace who said he "created" Barnabas Collins -- and to other DS writers and producers (if I'm not mistaken).

I don't wish to take away anything from those whose contributions made Barnabas such a unique character. It's apparent that the sympathetic and also romanticized approach to later vampires (for example, in "Forever Knight" and in Francis Ford Coppola's "Dracula") was inspired by Barnabas.

But there may have been a very early sympathetic vampire near the beginning of the vampire tradition in English literature. In 1819, John Polidori published "The Vampyr," inspired by a fragmentary tale sketched by Byron (during the time the Shelleys were also visiting Byron in Switzerland). According to an article by British professor Juliette Wood ("Vampires in English Fiction"), Polidori humanizes his anti-hero vampire, Ruthven, arousing both the reader's horror and "sympathy." She says that one can recognize the "romantic figure of the Byronic hero" in Polidori's tale.

It would be interesting to know whether any subsequent depictions of vampires were in this mold of the bordering-on-evil yet sympathetic, romantic anti-hero ... until Barnabas Collins. Anyone?

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I would definitely buy a replica of the Count Petofi box, too. Wish we knew more about it (the actual prop, that is).

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Zahir: I knew that someone here had to have read the same book those many years back.  [ghost_wub]

Another DS comparison: the family portraits. One is of the boy's ancestor in Puritan garb, looking very cruel - whom the boy at first mistakes for his reclusive, modern-day uncle because they look identical.

I'm beginning to realize how many clichés of the Gothic genre there are, and that DS was only one forum that used them. Since DS was my first exposure to the Gothic tradition, I didn't realize that DS didn't invent the genre and all of these great details!

Gothick: Your description of ordering those Scholastic books at school probably triggered a few other people's memories, too ...

Thanks for the catch that it was Angelique who quoted "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." I did note that in a more recent viewing, and was puzzled because it didn't match my memory of the scene, which I always remembered as the discovery of a Bible laying open on the desk in the drawing room at Collinwood, with a knife stabbed through the pages. Upon discovering this, someone then read the passage indicated by the knife: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." I seemed to remember this as taking place during the present-day Cassandra/Dream Curse story line. When I found the same passage quoted in the book "Mystery of the Witches' Bridge," I thought that might be the answer, but I'll have to read further to see if it comes up again later in the book.

Your points about the witch craze in northeastern France/southwestern Germany are right on target with what I've read. In his research for "The Witches of Lorraine" (2007), Robin Briggs reviewed the records of some 400 trials. And there are many more, many of which have yet to see the light of day; I've come across a couple of these myself. Although Briggs appears to go the route of conflicts between neighbors as an explanation, I agree with you that the causes remain murky. The testimony of witnesses (like my ancestor) isn't easy to explain away or dismiss. I hope to include this and other information on my planned (hopefully within a year) genealogy webpage.

The witch craze in Lorraine and Saarland ended by the early 1600s, about 80 years before Salem Village. A fairly high percentage of men were among the accused.

My comments have probably run their course as far as being relevant to DS ... thanks to the mods for not giving me the nudge  [ghost_rolleyes]

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Yes, though they always refer to it as a fiddle, and a fiddler's fog which is dreaded. The sound of a fiddle is heard out in the foggy marsh whenever someone is doomed. I just realized how similar that is to the "Woman in White" who appears on the grounds of Collinwood just before a Collins dies, in 1841PT.

I began playing the violin the year after I read the book, though I don't think there was a connection ... I do remember wishing that such exciting events would happen in my part of the country, but in books (as on DS) they only happened in New England.

The black dog's name is Caliban - one of JF's favorite roles.