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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard's Watch Fob
« on: November 21, 2003, 06:10:43 AM »
Quote from: Midnite on November 20, 2003, 08:32:30 PM
The editors are Roy-Alan Hansen and, as wes said, our own mrjuggins.  The names of the individual contributors and all other sources used can be found in the FAQ section of the DS FAQ. ;)

I wish he/they posted here.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard Question
« on: November 21, 2003, 06:08:32 AM »
Quote from: wes on November 20, 2003, 08:42:14 AM
:) Most people think of time as linear... Time on a line.  There is a past, a present, a future.  I think, for the purposes a fictional show like DS, we should think of time as circular.

 ;) We do not travel back and forth between times and dimensions.  So, we look at time from our perspective... linear.

 :-  If you think of time as a circular happening, you can understand the some of the confusing storylines on DS.  Each little disturbance may create a different chain of events...

 ;D I believe this is explained on the show.


...


  Just remember, time on DS is circular, not linear!  --wes

I haven't made it through -- or digested -- all of your points yet, but I do like the idea of time being circular.  It almost has to be ... the linear model presents too many problems.  This could account for a LOT of the things that have been discussed here recently, and could account for CassandraBlair's feeling that another timeline was entered when Barnabas and Julia went back to 1840.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 21, 2003, 06:01:59 AM »

I hadn't noticed that.  Was any of that information inaccurate?

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Playing dress up
« on: November 21, 2003, 05:56:31 AM »
Quote from: Patti on November 18, 2003, 12:15:10 AM
Vlad.....see picture on calendar!!!! Too Funny!

Picture?   ???   Did I miss it?   :(

I never saw this thread again after posting my comment.  Even now, I searched for it twice, but the only way I could find it was by looking under my own posts.

Maybe I need glasses.   :(

On the other hand, during the last few weeks, the font on this site has gotten really tiny.  It's about half the size it used to be and it's very hard to read.   :(


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard Question
« on: November 20, 2003, 07:52:28 AM »
I keep thinking of more things ...

To add to the above ... Of course, the viewer doesn't really understand all this for a long time -- one of the great rewards of the Summer of 1970 - 1995 - 1840 storyline for those who recognize that mysteries may unwind slowly, and here the viewer also isn't spoon fed everything.  Quite unique, IMO.  We're challenged to keep trying to figure things out, but as one of the opening voiceovers termed these events, 1840 proves to be "the jigsaw puzzle that will not stay in place."


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard Question
« on: November 20, 2003, 07:25:30 AM »
Quote from: Joeytrom on November 20, 2003, 01:09:12 AM
In 1970, IMHO, JZ is leaving red herrings for Barnabas and Julia to throw them off the track.

I think you're right about this, too -- another complexity in the storyline that seems to have eluded a lot of viewers/posters.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard Question
« on: November 20, 2003, 07:17:49 AM »
Wow, these are really great ideas, JoeyTrom!  I'm not sure about the suicide part -- that's pretty disturbing -- but it would fit the situation, and make that headstone epitaph even darker ...  I hadn't realized that Judah Zachary possessed Gerard in the way events originally played out in 1840.  If that's the case, then the epitaph was harsher towards Gerard than he deserved, but of course nobody knew that he wasn't responsible for his actions ...

As far as Zachary being reminded of Carrie through Hallie, that's also a great thought.  But let's see, there were quite a few people in 1970 who would have reminded JZ's ghost of 1840 Collinwood ... but David, Hallie, and Quentin would probably have been the main focus prompting his return ...

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Angelique's Change of Heart
« on: November 20, 2003, 07:11:01 AM »
Quote from: Cassandra on November 19, 2003, 11:04:15 AM
I think the question now should be can Barnabas really change?   He may seem content with her now, but what would happen  when the next syt comes along and he decides to get friendly with her?  We all know that even on a "friendship" level, Angelique would never stand for that.  And then of course, she would be back to her old tricks again just like she was at the end of the Leviathan storyline when she just had to place that love spell on Quentin & Maggie just to keep Maggie away from Barnabas.

For a couple such as they to stay together happily ever after, they both would need to undergo some serious changes in their whole make up, and I somehow don't think that would be too easy, for them anyway.

Very interesting, original perspective on this, Cassandra!

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Why Does The End of 1840 Make Me Feel That The Cast/Writers Stopped Caring??
« on: November 20, 2003, 07:06:59 AM »
CassB wrote:

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Stop!  You're killing me!  I almost laughed my head off!!! 

Time to get serious again, guys.   ;D


Quote from: Julian on November 19, 2003, 05:54:18 PM
There is a great deal I like about 1840 but the witchcraft trial is absolutely ludicrous.  You have a dynamic talent like David Selby and you put him in a plot where he is confined to a jail cell and a court room where he can only shout No!  That's not true!  etc., etc.  Not a very good use of your cast.  And I'm sure someone has probably mentioned it before, but where did Judah get a psychedelic compositon/theme book to use as his journal in the 1680's?

I'm probably beginning to sound like a cheerleader for 1840, but I actually like the 1840 trial.  The dialogue is quick and sharp, and there is a realistic element to the legal aspect.  A former poster who is a lawyer wrote at length during the last run about how well done and accurate the courtroom exchanges and procedures were.  That was my feeling as well, and I find the scenes really sizzle.  Quentin's role in the courtroom is what the role a defendant should be.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 20, 2003, 07:00:48 AM »
Quote from: dom on November 19, 2003, 08:13:19 AM
And all this time it was all right there in KLS's DS almanac. She described Miranda as a member of Judah's Z's coven who later changed her name to Angelique.

It's worth noting that the excellent, accurate, and exhaustive DS FAQ states this also.


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Current Talk '03 II / Angelique's Change of Heart
« on: November 19, 2003, 04:39:43 AM »
Julia is right to mistrust Angelique -- that's how I feel at this point in our current viewing.

And while Barnabas is rightly skeptical, he does seem convinced that Angelique is genuine.

She does hesitate when Barnabas asks her if the cure is for good.  Is she not sure whether her lifting the spell will be successful permanently?  Or is she trying to resolve her own doubts in her own mind, not sure if she really and truly means for Barnabas to be free once and for all?

If she does mean to have set Barnabas free, how could Angelique have changed so completely?

We are prepared for this possible change of heart not once, but twice, in the series -- in 1897 and again during the Leviathan storyline, both where Angelique agrees to help Barnabas.  She obviously had not changed as much as she seems to have in 1840, but the glimmer of a less selfish side to her personality was evident.

A change of heart like Angelique's is possible ... It is possible for people to grow and to learn, and I think the idea of redemption may actually be the central theme of Dark Shadows.

But at the same time, what might have happened had Angelique not
[spoiler]died[/spoiler]
at the end of the 1840 storyline?  I suspect that she might eventually have gone back to her old ways.  The temptations -- the jealous nature, the delight in having power over others -- may not be so easily shirked off.

Angelique redeemed -- a change of heart and mind (which is the literal meaning of "repentance") -- does not necessarily equal Angelique the saint.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Barnabas in the sun....
« on: November 19, 2003, 04:27:33 AM »
It was a bit surprising how easy it apparently was.  Are we ever given any more details on how she accomplished this?  If so, could circumstances have been different in 1897 that for some reason restricted her ability to raise the curse?

But Angelique has changed more in 1840 than she did in a more limited way in 1897.  She wanted to help in 1897, but she may not have been willing to completely cure Barnabas at that time.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 19, 2003, 04:21:49 AM »
Note Angelique's words to Barnabas in Monday's (?) first episode.

-- Judah Zachary "made" her what she is (a witch)

-- in exchange for her testimony, she was assisted in leaving the country and went to the West Indies

-- from there she eventually went to Martinique, where she "met Josette"

No mention of having died and reincarnated in the interim.

Also, no mention made of having gone to Europe (a possibility I suggested)  :-[

Of course, she might have left out a few minor details when she related the "Cliffs Notes" version of her past to Barnabas.   ;D

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Gerard Question
« on: November 19, 2003, 04:13:23 AM »
Quote from: Vlad on November 14, 2003, 10:23:44 PM
I just assumed that the haunting of Collinwood in 1970 is actually by Judah Zachary, who is in possession of Gerard Stiles, even after death.

I hadn't considered the alternatives you mentioned.  I'm afraid it gets too complicated.

Thinking about this some more, I probably didn't always "assume" that Judah Z. was behind the 1970 haunting.  That probably isn't made clear until later in the 1840 storyline -- farther along than we are in our present viewing.

And it probably isn't explicitly stated, either.  Seems a lot of the time things were left for the viewer to sort through and figure out.

 :)

Patti, not quite sure what you're getting at in your last post.


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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Why Does The End of 1840 Make Me Feel That The Cast/Writers Stopped Caring??
« on: November 17, 2003, 10:38:18 PM »
I disagree with pretty much everything that was said in the first post to this thread.  If I have time later, I'll try to detail my points, but I've basically made them all in the past on this forum or an earlier incarnation.  In my view, 1840 is a much more compact, well-plotted, and resolved storyline that 1897, second perhaps to 1795 in that respect.  Thematically the storyline comes full circle with Barnabas and Angelique ... and the 1841 storyline is an interesting coda (my own term for it) for the series.  It suggests new directions for the show, but also brings back some of the original themes, such as the orphan's search for her family, etc.  I actually found it quite a satisfying way to end the series, though obviously many things were left open, as they were with most of the individual storylines.

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