Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Philippe Cordier

1291
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: DS Labyrinth -- NEXT!
« on: June 26, 2002, 03:29:48 AM »
Looks like just the thing to read on the airplane during a flight I'll be making soon (along with chapters 1 - 3).   :)  Could be a conversation starter.   ;D

1292
Quote

Actually, this seems a very safe way of putting it, since he didn't single anyone out and it covers all the bases. After all... one can always point out that someone like, oh, Joan Bennett hammed it up to "ridiculous extremes," while Addison Powell's performance was always understated and dignified.


Hmm, you may have missed a discussion a while back spanning two threads that began when someone made a similar, rather "innocuous" comment ... it turned into quite the controversy!   :)

1293
Thank you for providing the links to these, MsCriseyde.  I thought the interview with Mr. Karlen was well-done.  I really felt I learned something about who he is and what he's like.

Also, it was interesting to get confirmation as to why Barnabas had to suck blood from Willie's wrist rather than his neck.  I remember some speculations concerning this in the past during the last run of the series (somehow must have missed the part during the most recent run).  Which makes me wonder if Barnabas ever did bite another man on the neck -- I don't think he did.  Was there any female-on-female biting? Hmmm...

And the DVD reviewer thought that some of the actors "hamm[ed] it up to ridiculous extremes" while others played their roles "more sedately"?  A controversial observation to make, I daresay ...

1294
The most extensive series of photos of Seaview Terrace I've seen -- I almost feel like I have toured the house now, so I guess I won't ever need bother making an effort to see it myself ...  ;)

Interesting how "light" the interiors are compared to the dark paneling we see in the series.  This reminds me more of the movie version of Collinwood.

1295
Current Talk '02 I / Stokes' House, &c.
« on: June 25, 2002, 03:10:51 AM »
Some idle thoughts from an idle mind ...

During my first full viewing of the series when it ran last time, I believed Professor Timothy Elliot Stokes' home to be an apartment.  I think I had that impression because whenever anyone visits, Professor Stokes opens the door, and the visitors are already inside the building, standing in what apparently is a hallway.

Someone countered this view recently, saying that his home is indeed a house.

I think another reason why one might have the impression that it's an apartment was given when Barnabas and Julia recently paid a call.  They were shown knocking outside a door that had the number right on the door, which is the way it's usually done in apartments but less often with houses.  When I replayed the scene, though, it looked like Julia was wrapping her coat more tightly around her and I thought you could hear wind, thus indicating that they were standing outside in the cold knocking on the door.  (Nice touch, Grayson Hall!)

Now, however, whenever anyone stops by, they seem to be right outside that sitting room of Professor Stokes -- if this is a house, people sure seem to make themselves welcome by walking right in.

Do you suppose there's an enclosed porch, and most people walk right into that after knocking?

It's surprising that we're never given an exterior shot of the building/house -- why do you suppose that is?  Every other dwelling that I can think of -- at least that of a substantive character -- is shown from the exterior to establish the house (Evans' cottage, Dr. Lang's Victorian gothic, etc.).

I keep finding myself surprised at the wealth of interesting material like this in this storyline that I usually say is one of my least favorites ...

The establishing shot recently of Barnabas reading a book while sitting in the drawing room of the Old House when Vicki pays a call is one that I think we see many times.  I always wonder what he's reading ...  I'm sure it's a classic of some kind, considering the sort of urbane and educated man Barnabas is ... it's obviously not the latest paperback best-seller.

Cassandra/Angelique ... has anyone else noticed that the woman is deranged?  I mean, she's a combination of sadist and psycho ...


1296
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Vampire/creature movies?
« on: June 25, 2002, 02:51:05 AM »
Quote

You must be a more hopeful person than I, Vlad, if you think there's a chance in hell that a film version of "Possession" will do the book justice.


OT -

I'm usually disappointed in movie adaptations of books, too, whether literary or not.  Some you just have to enjoy on their own terms ... I read an essay by John Fowles and he was pleased with the film "interpretation" of his novel "The French Lieutenant's Woman," also a layered and complex novel, despite the fact that the movie completely invented the modern storyline of a 20th century film crew making a movie of The French Lieutenant's Woman.  Sometimes the right mixture of talent and creativity comes together and produces something wonderful, but I'm right behind you in lamenting how seldom this happens.  Just don't get me started on the subject of remakes ...

Quote

obviously in curmudgeon mode tonight.  :P


I'll say!  Whew!
;)

1297
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Vampire/creature movies?
« on: June 21, 2002, 04:12:08 AM »
Quote
My favorite vampire movie is probably SALEM's LOT.  I read the book, which terrified me (I was afraid to look out my windows just in case a vampire was hovering there, calling to me to be let in), so when they made a movie, I was very excited about it.  While SALEM'S LOT wasn't a theatrical flick, I still enjoyed it and found it creepy.  And they brought the child floating outside his brother's window so effectively, I had nightmares!


I just bought the DVD of "Salem's Lot" about an hour ago since I had a discount coupon at a bookstore that expired today, and it was only $12 to start with.  The only problem is, I don't have a DVD player!  I agree, that scene with the little brother floating outside the window was great!

kuanyin wrote:
Quote
Oh, you've mentioned one of my top ten favorite books!I do SO hope they do a good job with it. Paltrow doesn't generally associate herself with poor productions, so that is hopeful. I never did see her "Great Expectations", guess I will have to rent it. There have been several updates on classics that I have really enjoyed, such as "Clueless" and "Ten Things I Hate About You". Thought "O" was alright too.


"O"?  I think I've heard of "The Story of O" ...

Just so as not to mislead anyone,  "Possession" is not about demonic possession  :o or anything Exorcist-like.

Kuanyin: The book was highly recommended to me, and I've had a copy for several years but haven't read it yet.  A guy used to come into work shaking from excitement from reading it.  Jeremy Northam is costarring with Gwenyth; he replaced Ralph Fiennes.  The release date has changed several times and is now scheduled for limited release on August 30.

1298
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Vampire/creature movies?
« on: June 20, 2002, 03:53:58 AM »
I've corrected the spelling of "Coppola" in my post above.  I knew in the back of my mind that I was misspelling it as I was typing, but I was in too much of a rush to check for sure.  Since I was and am very critical of Coppola with respect to this movie, I feel I should at least spell his name right.  :)

1299
Current Talk '02 I / Re: Rev. Trask, the sinner...
« on: June 20, 2002, 03:43:49 AM »
Quote


The Brady Bunch did have a church scene in which Carol's sings on Christmas Eve after losing her voice and some how gets it back to sing. i beieve they were of one of the Christian faiths

jennifer



And I thought I had seen every episode of "The Brady Bunch" at least once!


1300
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Vampire/creature movies?
« on: June 19, 2002, 02:20:07 AM »
Quote

I don't remember too much of the movie, but I remember being anxious to see it because all of the publicity beforehand indicated that this was "Bram Stoker's" Dracula - presumably really faithful to the book for a change.

The only thing I specifically recall is the scene when Dracula has Mina drink from his vein.  In the book I would compare that to a rape.  He forced her to do this horrid thing.  In the movie they made it like a love scene and she was quite willing.  I don't remember whether the rest was fairly close to the book or not, that one drastic change infuriated me!


Oh-oh, Josette!  You've pushed one of my hot buttons!  But since you pose the question, I feel obligated to elaborate.

WARNING: I have strong views on the subject of Francis Ford Coppola's Dracula.  I don't wish to antagonize anyone, so if you're a fan of this movie, please realize that this is my honest opinion and hopefully we can agree to disagree on this one matter.  That caveat aside ...

I, too, heard all the studio (and, alas, critical) hype when this movie came out.  I was immediately skeptical, though, upon hearing/reading the breathless descriptions of the movie by various critics.  What they said indicated to me that the movie diverged sharply from Bram Stoker's novel.  Because of my high regard for the novel, I refused to see the movie for years.  Finally, when it aired on cable a few years ago, my curiosity got the better of me.  I tuned in, but I couldn't make it past the first half hour or so.  I tried a second time some months later with the same results.  Finally, perhaps a year or so later, I forced myself to sit through the entire thing.

To see a favorite book trivialized, mocked, and destroyed was sickening.  The movie generally followed the plot of the novel and the characters had the same names.  :) All similarities end there.  The characters bore no relation to the characters Stoker created.  The entire focus/intent of the book was turned upside-down.  In Stoker's vision, Dracula is a force of horrifying evil who must be destroyed.  Instead of the powerful but aged warrior Stoker describes at the beginning of the novel (and depicted quite well in the Dan Curtis version and to a "T" in the Spanish-made Christopher Lee version), Coppola presents a bizarre-looking freak.  In place of the powerful figure of unmitigated evil who cuts a swath of destruction in England, Coppolla depicts a dandified, lovestruck romantic.  Lucy Westenra is portrayed as a silly, shallow fool in place of Stoker's tragic, estimable woman.  Mina fares no better, nor do any of the other characters.

IMO, the film was a mockery of the greatest vampire novel ever written.

The film's writer appeared on the "Dracula" segment of TLC's great books series a couple of years ago.  From what he said, he must truly have hated Stoker's views to have degraded them so.  Instead of the heroic figures of Arthur, Jonathan Harker and Van Helsing, who valianty fight against the darkness, the Coppolla-movie writer saw them as simplistic Christians (perhaps this was his key problem with the book) who hypocritcally are "gang-banging" Lucy when they stake her.

All I can say is I found this disgusting in the extreme, and as I said earlier, a complete perversion of what Stoker wrote.

I think a major problem was the writer's (and presumably Coppola's) lack of respect or understanding for the whole Victorian era.  They preferred to mock it, while showing the "superiority" of their own "enlightened" 20th century attitudes (this was clear in the interview).

It's not that I'm a narrow-minded purist when it comes to translating literature for the screen.  Of course I hope for a faithful adaptation, but I also think creative use of the source is possible.  I had similar reservations about seeing the Ethan Hawke-Gwenyth Paltrow version of "Great Expectations" a couple of years ago.  I finally saw it on video last year and was pleasantly surprised.  That movie shows how a Victorian-era novel can be updated to incorporate today's sensibilities without destroying all semblance of the author's intent and meaning.  It isn't exactly "Charles Dickens' " Great Expectations, but then it didn't claim to be the most faithful adaptation of Dickens' work, either.  Rather, it was a smart updating and variation on the original.  No one was confused or mislead into thinking that they were viewing Dickens' "original" work just as he wrote it.

Another movie that does an excellent job looking at the Victorian era, with all of its drawbacks and hypocrasies, but while maintaining integrity, through a 20th century lens is "The French Lieutenant's Woman."  (Which, incidentally, very creatively re-imagines the novel in cinematic terms.)  And the upcoming "Possession" (again, with Paltrow) based on the novel by A.S. Byatt should be another interesting look at the Victorian period through the eyes of two 20th-century characters.

1301
Current Talk '02 I / Re: Rev. Trask, the sinner...
« on: June 19, 2002, 01:41:46 AM »
Quote

I think there's a very good reason why Dan Curtis and the writers NEVER got God involved in their story lines.  It's treading dangerous waters.


and Midnite wrote:
Quote

Though DS often made allusions to Christian faith, I can't recall that they were ever so overt as with the symbolism and dialogue of Trask's exorcism.


The subtext of Christianity in "Dark Shadows" has been a topic of interest of mine for some years now, and I have notes for an essay I hope to write someday when I have time.  Because I'm investigating the matter, I don't have ironclad conclusions yet.  But I don't recall any other show that makes as many references to prayer as Dark Shadows does during the course of its five year run.

I have been keeping track of most of these references to prayer and faith.  Some are probably just "comforting comments" that people sometimes make in real life situations, but at other times the references are quite pointed.  For example, in 1795 Joshua referred to the Collins family as being grounded in the Christian faith, among other things (I don't have the exact quote handy).

References to church attendance in 1840 lend historical authenticity to that storyline.  But we also see references to prayer in the modern-day DS storylines. Other TV shows from this era (from "The Brady Bunch" to "Bewitched") never made any mention of church attendance, faith, etc.

Another aspect of Dark Shadows' uniqueness, IMO.

1302
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: What is "good horror"?
« on: June 18, 2002, 01:48:43 AM »
Ooooooooooooooooo!

Thanks, you two!  That had to be it!
;D

1303
Current Talk '02 I / Angelique's Exorcism
« on: June 18, 2002, 01:29:53 AM »
I didn't see this topic come up in any of the other threads, though it's possible I could have missed it.  I'm also a bit behind in posting on this.

When the ghost of Trask (I prefer not to dignify him with his mail-order "Rev." title) attempted to exorcise Angelique, his dialogue indicated that he expected demons to be expelled from her and that a new, innocent unpossessed Angelique would be the result.  Obviously things didn't work out quite as he thought.  Angelique disappeared entirely.  Was this the "Lord's" doing, after all?  If so, what are the implications?

The fact that Angelique disappeared in agony seemed further evidence that she is not an ordinary mortal who is simply in league with dark forces.  Though we know from a later storyline that she began life as a mortal, somehow she was transformed into something more than human after the Judah Zachary episode.

But would the Lord really use the ghost of the evil Trask as his instrument?

Is it possible that what really happened was that the Devil snatched Angelique away from the religious torture she was undergoing, which appeared to be real?

Subsequent events would tend to support this latter interpretation  -  i.e., it was not the Lord's doing but the Devil's when Angelique disappeared.

Any thoughts?

1304
Current Talk '02 I / Re: In the Name of the Father / a poll
« on: June 15, 2002, 11:19:54 PM »
Great idea -- and recall! :)

I must be forgetting a lot, because I don't remember Bramwell Collins being a father in 1841 PT.  Unless he was a father-to-be ...

In 1840 if I remember correctly we see Ben Stokes as a grandfather but never learn directly of his wife and son/daughter ...

I have no idea whom Edward Collins was the father of in 1897 ...

Phillip Todd ... "adoptive" father?

:)

1305
Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Vampire/creature movies?
« on: June 15, 2002, 10:41:24 PM »
Quote

Sometimes I almost like Coppola's DRACULA, and sometimes I want to throttle everyone involved in it. Gary Oldman is fabulous, especially when he's over the top as the old crone Drac. However, Anthony Hopkins as Van Helsing is a sad bit; Hopkins is one of my favorite actors, but he just didn't work in this part. Why he occasionally refers to Dracula as "Dracul"--in essence referring to Vlad's pappy--is inexplicable and distracting. And while I don't particularly dislike Keanu Reeves, as so many people I know do, he does go a long way in this movie toward justifying all the terrible things people say about him. The production has a neat theatrical quality about it, and I like a lot of the various styles of cinematography, but it ultimately looks like it was filmed on a big sound stage. The settings don't convey any sense of reality.


Not to mention that the movie is a complete perversion of Stoker's novel when it comes to characters and themes.  "Coppola's Dracula," yes.  "Bram Stoker's," no.

Thanks for your description of the Louis Jourdan/BBC version of  "Count Dracula." It's one of about half a dozen things I've tried to track down for years (checking TV schedules, video searches), with no luck.