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Calendar Events / Announcements '10 II / Re: Dark Shadows & Lyndhurst
« on: October 29, 2010, 04:32:02 AM »
The photos are beautiful, Mark. The leaves in my part of the country are already gone ... they last such a short time!

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I never really thought about it before, but DS does incorporate some of The Glass Menagerie's themes into the first year of the show. The setting needn't be the same to utilize the themes.  [hall2_smiley]

That's a new one on me, too ... I love all of Tennessee Williams's work, including The Glass Menagerie, but this is going to take some thought ... I don't really see any immediate correspondences between DS characters and Tom, who is aching to be free of his family; Amanda, the faded belle mother harking back to a more glorious past (not obviously Liz), the inhibited and shy Laura (certainly not Carolyn), nor the gentleman caller ...  (curious that the blog writer didn't get the name of the play right, so I wonder where she got this information ... )

I also somehow missed seeing where Williams wrote for Star Trek ...


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Sorry for being an ignoramus, but I'd be curious to know - where is Orland Park? The website gave no clue, either.
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. . . in Frankenstein Elizabeth was raised with Victor as siblings but I don't remember them being blood related.

Mary Shelley made substantial changes between the first and second editions of Frankenstein. In the first edition, Elizabeth is a cousin of Victor's but I don't recall if she's a first cousin or a distant cousin. The familial connection was changed in the second edition.

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In Wuthering Heights, Heathcliff and Cathy were also raised togather, and in the second generation, her daughter Cathy was in love with her first cousin.

Catherine Linton marries two of her cousins, one the son of her paternal aunt Isabella (Linton) - admittedly under duress by Heathcliff; and secondly, the son of her maternal uncle Hindley (Hareton). It is this second marriage which can be interpreted as redemptive. No concerns of incest here.

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I'm more worried about the timeline with Liz being a flapper in the 20s, when she should be far too young.

That doesn't seem to work too well.

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I assumed that this word "nun" popping up and replacing other words was some sort of joke that I was unaware of, but if so, I guess I'm not the only one who's clueless.

I don't think I'd go so far as to rank marriage among distant relatives up there with child labor, slavery, and the like. How distant is OK? Apparently, most European royalty is related to each other and marriage partners come from other royal families who are related. (And I discovered that my nephew and his girl friend, who met at college in a large city, are fourth cousins ... you never know what you'll find when you have a genealogist in the family!)

We've been told that marriage between first cousins became outlawed, presumably in the 20th century, because of advances in understanding genetics -- in other words, because of science, not moral or ethical reasons. However, I recently saw an article that said there actually is no reason, genetically speaking, that first cousins can't marry, because the genetic distance is great enough that fears that their offspring would have two heads, etc., is unfounded. I suspect that marriage between cousins simply seems uncomfortable to us because that is a 20th century view.

But to return to this as subject matter for Lara Parker's new novel, I would have to say it's not what I would be interested in reading.

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I'm not an expert on Gothic literature, but Lara Parker teaches English and no doubt knows that incest themes are common in the history of the genre, an offshoot of Romanticism. It may begin with "The Castle of Ontronto," which I've never read. (Byron had an incestous affair with his half sister, and didn't Percy Shelley have some similar situation?) In the 1818 version of "Frankenstein," Elizabeth is Victor's cousin. In "Wuthering Heights," Heathcliff and Cathy grow up almost as siblings. "The Fall of the House of Usher" is generally interpreted as having incestuous themes, but I don't know if that's due to later Freudian criticism or not. Clearly Poe was writing one of the quintessential Gothic stories. There was a suggestion of incest (if I remember correctly) in Roger's affection for Carolyn at an early stage of the series, too. So by including a hint of incest, Lara Parker would be writing in the Gothic tradition, which includes "Dark Shadows."

On the other hand, is a grand-niece all that close a relationship? It used to be fairly common for first cousins to marry in this country. I was just reading a friend's genealogy of her family that came to Maine from England in the early 1600s, and the book (published in the 1800s) says that many of the grandchildren of the immigrant patriarch intermarried. And Franklin Delano Roosevelt married his first cousin, Eleanor.


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Current Talk '10 II / Re: Discussion on Josette's Portrait
« on: September 08, 2010, 05:21:31 AM »
I agree, this was one of the most unsettling events that transpired in Collinsport. TCM aired "The Collector" this summer, and I happened to catch some of it and remembered you had posted about that movie in the past, Gothick. Mr. Frid's performance at this point does share similarities with Terrance Stamp's psychologically creepy portrayal.

When I looked into the movie later, I was surprised to find that it was directed by the legendary William Wyler and was based on a novel by John Fowles, a popular and literary novelist popular in the 1960s (such as "The French Lieutenant's Woman"). And Stamp's costar was the always stunningly good Samantha Eggar.


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Current Talk '10 II / Re: DS Ahead of its time?
« on: September 05, 2010, 07:50:49 PM »
Yes, that is the point I was most taken with in the essay as well, which Zahir has also brought up in his comparison of later DS remakes (1991 and the aborted pilot) and the original series.


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Current Talk '10 II / Re: DS Ahead of its time?
« on: September 03, 2010, 06:31:21 AM »
A thoughtful article - thanks for the link Jimbo! (Also, it was good meeting you and "Evan Hanley" at the festival  [ghost_grin]).

Isn't the article by our own "Zahir"?


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What a gracious message from Jim Storm! I crossed paths with him when he was leaving the hotel and he wished me a good night ... I felt a little guilty because I hadn't attended his event, but I really don't like country music! I didn't know about his affiliation with the American Cancer Society.

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Somehow or other I've missed out on the Members' Archive ... completely forgot about it. Now that I'm looking for some articles that have been mentioned in some older threads, I'm searching for the Members Archive and can't find it ... Can anyone help?

Thanks!

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If I'm not mistaken, elocution was once part of the curriculum in secondary schools ... but today, I gather that pupils make more presentations (than when I was in school), so perhaps things even out somewhat. I had a vocal instructor from Britain (Royal Court) who had us do a technique similar to what Mr. Frid demonstrated - so I'm sure voice is still taught in some acting schools. Some of the reporters (specifically, women) on CNN have the most irritating nasal way of speaking, evidently it's a trend. I keep wanting to tell them to drop their voices to a lower register. (I don't claim that my classes had a lasting effect on me, but then I'm not on TV.)

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: July 27, 2010, 05:53:46 AM »
Thanks for answering my "Night of Dark Shadows" question, Darren (about why it wasn't in widescreen at the festival). I realize that the answers to many of my questions are probably to be found in the "Dark Shadows Movie Book" and have likely been addressed many times on this forum; fortunately, I have located my copy of the movie book now.*  [ghost_grin]

HODS was certainly effective on the big screen at the Vista Theater ... but reading about those deleted scenes and scenes that were never shot shows how much better the movie could have been. To take just one example - the scene where Barnabas and Julia begin to develop a relationship, which was never shot. That would have gone a long way to the jarring moment when Stokes announces to Julia "you're in love with him." So many things needed to be established or fleshed out that weren't.

A longer costume scene (and some mention of it beforehand, unless I missed it), would have been welcome. I do think children would have been out of place at an adult cocktail/costume event, and it would have looked odd to see Denise Nickerson there. But I guess if David was originally intended to be present, in costume, then I suppose he could have had a friend of his own age as a guest; so who knows - maybe Ms. Nickerson was planned for the scene.

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* If I remember correctly, lost footage for NODS was found after the publication of the "Dark Shadows Movie Book."

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finds the Satanic number 666 in the first episode of DS (June 27, 1966).  [...]  Of course, s/he fails to mention that DS was not a supernatural soap at the time of its premiere.

That fact probably wouldn't faze these people! They would just say something like the show was designed to lure in unsuspecting, innocent children and housewives with a seemingly harmless melodrama ... but the actual intent was Satanic all along ... [ghost_shocked]

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Oh, yes - I was in line for about 70 minutes and wishing I hadn't worn a t-shirt under my shirt since it was in the 90s (or, if the L.A. Times article is correct, in the 100s), but I had anticipated air conditioning in the theater. After already being worn out by doing a lot of running in airport terminals the day before, I didn't make it to any of Friday's events until afternoon.  [ghost_cheesy] And now I seem to be paying with a cold which I probably picked up on the flight home (unless anyone else has come down with this?).

I forgot to mention something about the "Night of Dark Shadows" screening, which doesn't really belong in this thread, but it's already there - and that is, the print of the film was completely square - no widescreen or letterbox!

Thanks for the comments about "Seizure." I hope I'll get the chance to see it sometime. The Bergman film it reminded me of is actually "Hour of the Wolf", not "Night of the Wolf." Either way, it doesn't sound like a Bergman film ...