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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Minor Quibbles
« on: May 03, 2002, 03:20:02 AM »
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I watch DS - especially the first three years - and marvel at the writing. Even with inconsistencies the dialogue is often wonderful and the acting is usually exceptional.


Yes ... In how many TV shows today do characters recite poetry?

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Ah, love, let us be true
To one another! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain;
And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

- Matthew Arnold, "Dover Beach"






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Thought I'd post this now in case I don't get to a computer tomorrow evening ...

In light of recent discussions about Edgar Allen Poe and the several movies inspired by his stories, I wanted to call attention to "The Tomb of Ligeia" airing on AMC on Wednesday night ... make that Thursday morning, to be more precise.  Central time, it's at 1 a.m.

Darren recently informed us that two of these movies, "The Haunted Palace" and "The Tomb of Ligeia" inspired aspects of DS.

I just viewed "Haunted Palace," and Darren is right.  I didn't care for this movie as much as "The Pit and the Pendulum," nor as much as "Night of Dark Shadows," which it seems to have a major influence on.

However, I'm excited about seeing "The Tomb of Ligeia" tomorrow night ... according to Darren it inspired the Angelique/Alexis storyline in 1970 (?) Parallel Time.


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Vlad,

 You take a chance every day just crossing a street....See you at the Fest!




All right, all right!

See you there!

;D

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Ben, Barnabas and Joshua Today
« on: May 01, 2002, 04:09:19 AM »
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I was sitting on the edge of my seat just waiting for Barnabas and Joshua to hug....the scene between the two of them was so intense and emotional.  I could see them with their arms around one another in my mind.



Donna, now I think you're getting confused with "Ordinary People."

;)


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Current Talk '02 I / Re: If you lived at Collinwood . . .
« on: May 01, 2002, 04:06:10 AM »
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3 arched stained glass windows to the left of the portico (visible in the Millenium photo) just beyond where Vlad imagines the study would be are over the REAL main interior staircase, which as Karen_#2 explained isn't to the right of the foyer like it is on the Collinwood set, though there are also stained glass windows in the Seaview/Carey foyer as well; just no staircase.



Where Vlad imagines the study to be located!?!   >:(

I can pinpoint precisely where the study is in that photo you've linked us to  ;D ... and it is just as I thought, in a cozy little nook, though I admit the stained glass windows just to the left, around the corner, came as a surprise!  Now if we can just figure out what part of Collinwood that is ...

:)

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: vicki's past
« on: May 01, 2002, 03:55:49 AM »
Your response is very well thought-out and presented, Chris.  And in fact I agreed with it before I saw the early episodes.  Prior to my viewing the early eps, I was exposed to the view on this forum that Elizabeth was Vicki's mother.  I was doubtful primarily because I just didn't see any indication in the relationship and interaction between them -- especially on Elizabeth/Joan Bennett's part -- that would give any indication whatsoever that Elizabeth was Victoria's mother.

What opened my mind to this possibility (I wasn't a fanatic convert) was seeing several subtle hints in Joan Bennett's performance in the early episodes, along with some visual clues such as Elizabeth coming down the stairs with her hair down like Vicki's, and before she comes clearly into view, she looks identical to Vicki.  I believe there were a few other hints, too.

Add to that Joan Bennett's testimony at one of the festivals that she played Elizabeth believing that Victoria was her child, and also the fact that Dan Curtis Productions authorized this revelation in the recent DS novel "Dreams of the Dark."

I also heard of a real-life case that was very similar, which made the possibility seem emotionally possible for Elizabeth (something else I had doubted).

Nevertheless, the case for Paul Stoddard as the father as you outline it is very strong, and I do find it less troubling.  So I'm not a hardliner on the issue (though you may find that others are!).

As an aside, in my "signature" line as part of my posting profile, I have excerpted a few lines from the novel "Bleak House" by Charles Dickens, which concerns, in part, an illegitimate young woman's search for identity. The passage quoted is from her meeting with the formidable Lady Deadlock, who she has been introduced to.   Her thoughts could be the very thoughts of Victoria Winters upon first meeting Elizabeth Collins Stoddard.

-Vlad

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Current Talk '02 I / Re:  :'(Plugging the Show at Home
« on: May 01, 2002, 03:43:14 AM »
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I work with two women who are almost exactly my age and NEITHER of them ever watched the show!  I can't believe it - it's like a vast wasteland.  I count on the boards to make me feel sane!


I can hardly believe that, Castlebee!  :o

I have yet to meet anyone our age who didn't watch the show!


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O.K., thanks everyone.

The ticket I found is a lot more than I paid to go to NY last year, but I may have to make a decision on it, if I'm going to go this year.

After printing out the info, I noticed that the flight is on an Airbus.  I asked someone at work what that was, and he said that was what had crashed in NYC last fall.  So know I'm nervous about taking that.  It just took a gust of wind and that plane broke apart.  Although the guy said he had just taken one to Spain last month.




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Current Talk '02 I / Re: vicki's past
« on: April 30, 2002, 03:58:16 AM »
Very well explained, Chris.

I had forgotten about Art Wallace's story bible -- which surprises me, because in the past I've tended to hold to Wallace's plan for the show as being the truest conception of the Collins family.

But it's best to realize that changes could be expected to be made as the show progressed, and I do tend to lean more now toward Elizabeth as being Victoria's mother rather than Paul Stoddard as her father.  I felt that way more after seeing the early episodes of the show with this current run on Sci-Fi.

We know that many, many changes were made in the conception of the Collins family, particularly their ancestry, as the show progressed.

My thought about why they never tied up the loose threads regarding Victoria's past is that as the show continued to gain new viewers, new viewers didn't know (or care) anything about her past.  New stories were developing all the time, and something that had happened on the show a couple of years previously didn't have much weight any more.

As far as theories about who Vicki's father is, the most unusual one I've heard comes from the series of "fan" novels written by Dale Clark.

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From what I'm told, he reveals Vicki's father to have been Judah Zachary.

Though that idea is rather shocking, I will say that Clark's vision of the series in his first book (the only one I've read) rings very, very true to the show in EVERY respect, which is something I can't say for the professional novels that have been published recently (which is not to detract from their many virtues).

-Vlad



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Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / OT - Airfare to Festival
« on: April 30, 2002, 03:07:17 AM »
How soon should someone going to the DS festival in June buy their plane tickets?  Do you think prices will go up, or down, between then and now?


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Current Talk '02 I / Damsels in Distress
« on: April 30, 2002, 03:00:26 AM »
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How did Laura Collins die?  Can a Phoneix [sp] die by fire too?  Did she?  I don't remember.   ?!?



Donna, Laura burned herself up (and tried to burn up David along with her) in 1968 (or thereabouts) in the old fishing shack on the Collinwood estate. As a phoenix, she wants to do this, knowing she will be reborn and the cycle will begin again.

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This was a great topic. I don't even remember who some of the characters are anymore (Dirk?!).  It seems like in the past, people used to lock people in rooms more. At least in old novels. I think they really did, though ... I remember my grandmother mentioning it.




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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Plugging the Show at Home
« on: April 30, 2002, 02:49:01 AM »
Way to go, Castlebee!

And at least the anchorwoman's response showed she DID accurately remember the show ( ... it has probably never really left her, and is lurking in her subconscious like a frightful wraith, a fearful archetype ...)


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Current Talk '02 I / Re: vicki's past
« on: April 27, 2002, 04:45:19 AM »
Doug,

This was probably the greatest mystery of the show that was never resolved.

Many people have many different theories; some have written fanfiction giving their explanation.  The recent DS novel "Dreams of the Dark" by Mark Rainey presented the view that Victoria was Elizabeth Collins Stoddard's daughter.  However, I don't think who her father was, was revealed in this book.



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Current Talk '02 I / Re: If you lived at Collinwood . . .
« on: April 27, 2002, 03:39:37 AM »
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Thank you, Midnite for all of the additional photos.  But, still, is there a way to place the main doors in context of the whole building?  For example, your first pictue (yesterday) shows a lot of it, including the tower, sort of in the middle.  But, on those long shots there's no way to see the close up parts, and I keep wondering where the doors would be!  That's one reason I suggested that maybe it's on the other side and can't be indicated in that view at all.


Josette,

Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, the front entry doors -- the double doors that appear in Midnite's photos (e.g., the one with the small portico) -- are on the opposite side of the house from the view we are usually shown. The view of Collinwood that we normally see (i.e., with the tower somewhat toward the left) is the back side of the house (which faces the ocean).

In our imaginations, at least, this is the side of the house that the drawing room windows look out upon.

If the servants' quarters are "too the left" when you exit the study (as Nathan Forbes directed Victoria when "escorting" her from the premises), then they might be located toward the right end of the house in these photos.

I think we only saw the actual front of the house, including the double doors, a couple of times early on in the B&W episodes shortly after Victoria Winter's arrival.

The window to the study would be somewhat to the left of these double doors.

Vlad




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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Ben, Barnabas and Joshua Today
« on: April 27, 2002, 03:27:51 AM »
I agree, these were two of the best episodes of the series. (Once again, I've only seen the first of today's episodes, so I wasn't sure if Nathan got his comeuppance today or not.)

I can't think of anything on daytime TV, ever, that has been comparable.

The suspense, the overwhelming sense of tragedy, the pitch-perfect characterizations, the restrained emotions (often more effective in an actor's performance than over-emoting -- especially in those cases when there isn't that much to emote over, but that's another topic) ...

You mention that this is the end of 1795 -- if so, that second episode must cram a lot into it, because Miss Winters still has to (in my viewing) face the hangman's noose.

I remember the suspense of that scene in the study, and always remembered the study as one of my favorites rooms at Collinwood, if not the favorite, despite the tragic events that happened.  I'd love to curl up with a book in there on a stormy night!

Not when Grandmamama Edith Collin's body is laid out there, though!

P.S., Donna, the 1840 storyline doesn't come until near the end of the series. You may be thinking of 1897.