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Messages - Philippe Cordier

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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: Terror at Collinwood
« on: February 23, 2024, 03:21:51 PM »
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. . . My guess is that it was kind of a fudge as a way of including it without drawing attention to the fact that the novel wasn't/isn't in the public domain! That said, neither is 'The Lottery', so who knows why that was done? Weirdly, the info has been out there for a long time as Ron Sproat told the fans at the first Festival that the Dream Curse storyline was inspired by the novel, 'The Dreamers'. It just flew past a lot of our radars. Hopefully, this episode will shed more light on it.

I think that would be the most reasonable assumption - if something is "inspired by" another work, with enough changes made from the source material, perhaps there wouldn't be any legal liability? TV shows seem to have done this all the time, yet I don't recall ever hearing of any lawsuits for plaigiarism with respect to this.

I'm glad I checked back to this thread because it reminded me that I didn't finish listening to the podcast - I only got to the point where you were discussing this issue, so I haven't heard the discussion of the book itself yet. I was able to find an out of print copy of the hardcover edition of the novel that is in very good condition (though without the dust jacket), and it appears to be very well written. I was surprised to see that the publisher was Simon & Schuster I think it was . . . not a publisher of "schlock" by any means!

Your upcoming interview with the Mr. Logan the screenwriter sounds really good, too!



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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: Terror at Collinwood
« on: February 06, 2024, 04:32:46 PM »
I can't tell you how excited I was to see this post answering my question from 2009, here:

http://dsboards.com/SMF/index.php?topic=17198.msg141663#msg141663

Title: Dream Curse Story Origin
Post by: Philippe Cordier on March 20, 2009, 07:11:26 PM

At any rate, in "The Dark Shadows Almanac: 30th Anniversary Tribute," there is a page titled "Dark Shadows Sources," and it lists a story by an unknown author, "The Dream Deceivers," as the inspiration for the 1968 Dream curse instigated by Cassandra Blair.

Does anyone know anything about this story? I've done a google search and didn't come up with anything.

- Philippe Cordier


If "The Dream Deceivers" was a published book or short story, Bette and Luciaphil were not able to find any trace of it back in 2002 using their library resources.
Midnite


Thanks, Midnite.

The Dream Curse storyline is the first extended sequence of DS that I remember from childhood, so it has special significance to me. It was so terrifying at that time. Surprisingly, I don't remember too much about it from my viewing of the series in the 1990s on SciFi.

It's interesting to think of the mileage that some unknown author's story got, and he or she has never been properly credited!

- Philippe


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In which post Midnite referred back to the question as previously posed in 2002:

http://dsboards.com/SMF/index.php?topic=1424.msg9971#msg9971

Title: Dream curse question
Post by: kuanyin on June 04, 2002, 04:53:09 PM

22 years is a long time to wait, but I'm glad there's finally an answer!

- Philippe


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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Seeing The Old House For The First Time
« on: January 26, 2024, 04:10:27 AM »
The concept of time travel has been used in fiction forever, but parallel time probably is a newer idea.

I did some research at one time into Borges' concept of timelines branching off in alternate directions in his 1948 "The Garden of Forking Paths," a story I have been studying (in Spanish and English) since I first encountered it in college Spanish. I'm not sure if that's exactly the same idea, but it would seem to be a related concept.

On January 7, 2009, MagnusTrask posted:

"As far as Trek, in the early days it was very much based on the kinds of ideas in printed science-fiction, and yes, they thought that at least some of these inventions would happen one day.   They just had little way of knowing which ones.   They put a lot of thought into what future technology might actually be like.   That's one thing that made Trek so special.   Networks just wanted "entertainment".... "

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What I was thinking of though was a more detailed post or article that may have talked about a specific author, story, and publication.

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On September 08, 2010, MagnusTrask wrote:

"The "Many Worlds" idea of human choices actually creating splinter-realities is not something that would have been in the minds of DS writers then, or anyone making alternate-reality episodes of any other program.   The idea probably did not exist yet.    It didn't make its way into TV till the '90s.

DS confuses things a bit by referring to PT 1970 as "another time" (to sound more romantic, even though it's the same time), and this can lead to both PT1970 and RT1995 being thought of as "alternate timelines" in some vaguely similar way.   A "timeline" is the one and only way history has gone.   The thing is, with time travel you can change that one and only way history has ever gone, so that that one single course of history is a different one "now"!   

While PT is an alternate reality to ours, though, 1995 is our future.   When we see 1995, it is the one and only timeline.   Unless one wants to introduce the very alien and (I think) disruptive, modern "Many Worlds" idea that the writers didn't have in mind, Gerard might think he can safely let Barnjulia go, but he's wrong.   [spoiler]Once they (somehow) acheive all their objectives, the one and only timeline that exists changes, so that Gerard's ghost's 1995 never happened.   Not only does Gerard not proceed into an alternate 1995, 1996, etc, still in control of Collinwood as a ghost, but the 1995 we saw has never happened, not in an alternate "timeline" or in any kind of reality.


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Given the Borges story first published back in 1948, I don't know that I would agree entirely with MagnusTrask when he wrote:

"The "Many Worlds" idea of human choices actually creating splinter-realities is not something that would have been in the minds of DS writers then, or anyone making alternate-reality episodes of any other program. The idea probably did not exist yet.  It didn't make its way into TV till the '90s."

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Here are some quotations from the Yates translation of Borges' story:

"In all fictional works, each time a man is confronted with several alternatives, he chooses one and eliminates the others; in the fiction of Ts'ui Pên, he chooses-- simultaneously--all of them. He creates, in this way, diverse futures, diverse times which themselves also proliferate and fork. . . . In the work of Ts'ui Pên, all possible outcomes occur; each one is the point of departure for other forkings. Sometimes, the paths of this labyrinth converge: for example, you arrive at this house, but in one of the possible pasts you are my enemy, in another, my friend."

and:

"He believed in an infinite series of times, in a growing, dizzying net of divergent, convergent and parallel times. This network of times which approached one another, forked, broke off, or were unaware of one another for centuries, embraces all possibilities of time. We do not exist in the majority of these times; in some you exist, and not I; in others I, and not you; in others, both of us. In the present one, which a favorable fate has granted me, you have arrived at my house; in another, while crossing the garden, you found me dead; in still another, I utter these same words, but I am a mistake, a ghost."

[Jorge Luis Borges, "The Garden of Forking Paths," translated by Donald Yates]


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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Seeing The Old House For The First Time
« on: January 25, 2024, 06:16:38 PM »
Perhaps DC and his writers were “inspired” by this particular “Star Trek” episode and they just happened to come up with the concept of “Parallel Time” in 1970?

I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly, but I wonder if this question has been addressed on this forum sometime in the past . . . I seem to remember some discussion where someone brought up that there had been stories published in SciFi magazines about this time where the concept of parallel time was used, and it may be a case where certain ideas were just "in the air" at the time.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: Merry Christmas To All/0t
« on: December 26, 2023, 03:49:37 AM »
God Jul to all!


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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: Marcy Robin
« on: December 26, 2023, 03:40:44 AM »
Sad news indeed, especially the familiar names of three in our DS fandom. Thank you for sharing this information. Thoughtful tributes, one and all.

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I got the e-mails, too, and wanted to post about the deal MPI had on the "Coffin" DVD set of "Dark Shadows"; however, I didn't get to board until now. Maybe the price will continue, but at any rate, it was the lowest price that MPI has offered as far as I know. I ordered the Coffin set from MPI in March 2017 for $350, and as far as I have followed, that was the lowest price through MPI until last week's price of $319. Even as recently as October, the price was $384.93, $30 more than I paid for it (which I found gratifying!). I admit though that I don't know whether MPI initially or early on had lower prices prior to when I ordered mine in 2017. I am aware that amazon has had much lower prices, and these fluctuate a lot. One caution regarding purchasing from amazon is making sure that you are ordering from amazon and not a third-party seller, who may be selling a counterfeit. And sad to say, amazon seems to be sending out returned, used products for stated new products. It happened to me with a portable DVD player a year or so ago, and I've seen in Customer comments that this has happened to other people to with other household products (coffee makers, you name it).

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Very interesting post, Bob! I noticed somewhere on the Internet a few days ago that Bill O'Reilly had recently written this book, "Killing the Witches," and it seemed rather surprising material. Having read quite a bit on the Salem witchcraft over the years, and given that I am not particularly inclined towards reading, listening to, or watching Bill O'Reilly, I let it go at that. But from what you write in your post, perhaps the book would be worthwhile. (I wonder what O'Reilly's interest in it was that he wrote a book about it?) The problem I've encountered with more academic approaches to the subject over the years is that historians and professors always have to come up with a new theory to explain the incident, something new that challenges everything previously thought on the topic, and often seemingly stretching their sources to come up with yet another revolutionizing thesis that in the end is less than satisfying. So perhaps a more journalistic overview should be welcomed.

I had never thought of the parallels you make with DS's treatment of witchcraft, especially in the 1795 storyline, but it makes perfect sense. The Reverend Trask's beliefs and actions do bear some resemblance to the Rev. Cotton Mather, though that had never occurred to me -- religious fanaticism in its full glory. And I think I dismissed any comparison of Angelique with Tituba because of the difference in race, and looked no further.

One of the most difficult things to explain in many of the witchcraft cases isn't the hysterical playacting of the girls (in the case of Salem) but manifestations of the afflicted such as disgorging pins, etc. etc.

Which brings me to the supposedly astonishing and hard to explain "possession" of "Roland Doe" in the Maryland - St. Louis exorcism case. Having read a lot on that case, too, it is almost convincing, until you read the truly investigative and groundbreaking journalism of Mark Opsasnick's "The Haunted Boy" in "Strange" Magzine in 1999 or 2000, which punched the first holes in the case (he was the first to track down who the boy really was, where he lived, and interviewed some of the boy's classmates of the time). But it really took the death of "Roland Doe" (not his real name) two or three years ago and some comments made by his common-law wife after his death published in The New York Post to reveal the truth. A couple of quotes (which anyone can probably copy and google to obtain the article): According to Hunkeler’s companion, the man himself never believed that he was the victim of satanic possession and he shunned religion.

"He said he wasn’t possessed, it was all concocted," said the companion. "He said, 'I was just a bad boy.' "

It's surprising that this prosaic expose has not made a dent in the popular online accounts and books that continue to appear. People want to believe in something extraordinary that defies all logical explanation.

Finally, all this reminds me how I discovered a couple of troubling things in the course of my geneaological research over many, many years. Given my own attraction to stories of the supernatural, witches, vampires, and the like, since childhood, it has been disconcerting to come across documentary evidence of ancestors who were more on the Trask side than that of the witches (though I can counter that with a great-grandfather's water divining ("water witching") and great-grandmother's interpreting signs in nature as supernatural (a black bird's landing on the gable of a house and her comment "someone in that house will die soon," as reported to me by a late aunt of mine). But the other discoveries include a soldier ancestor in the early 1600s duchy of Lorraine (which later became part of France) who testified against a woman accused of witchcraft whom he had discovered doing some strange practice in the woods), and a more recent discovery in a line of clergy ancestors (which I was unaware of previously) extending from Finland into Sweden, and in the church biography from the 1600s of this renowned Swedish clergyman it is mentioned how as ecclesiastic judge (the church was the state) he brought a notorious witch to trial (her recitation of a spell at the trial is in the record) and had her thrown in prison. The outcome of the case isn't given.






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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: Happy Thanksgiving To All/0t
« on: November 24, 2023, 09:22:36 PM »
A belated happy Thanksgiving and warm greetings to all! I thought about the forum here yesterday but between my mother's caregiving and preparing Thanksgiving dinner (albeit with some shortcuts - pies from Perkins, no gravy, a turkey breast rather than a whole turkey, etc.) I couldn't get here in time.

I hope everyone had a wonderful day.

And, Bob - what an entertaining post, really food for thought - much to chew on here - fascinating to think about all of those Collinsport inhabitants!


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I came across an audio interview with Lara Parker last week where she mentions having a rather "Dickensian" childhood, something I had never heard before. She doesn't use the tern "Dickensian" herself, but I think it fits when she tells of having spent several years in a boarding school because her mother didn't have time to raise her. I noted a catch in her voice for just a moment; in fact, she sounded extremely tired and unguarded throughout the interview. She talked about a large, oversized woman who would always seize a child to use as a living cane or walker and dig her claw-like fingers into the child's shoulder and lean on the child to walk (Lara was one of her victims). Lara said she wrote about her boarding school experiences under the guise of her character Victoria Winters in her last DS novel, "Heiress of Collinwood." She said everything she wrote about really happened to her.

I am considering ordering this novel if only to read that section. You can read a preview of the opening of the novel on amazon, and her writing is very good, though I didn't care for many of the ideas she came up with for "Angelique's Descent," so I never read any of her subsequent novels (though I think I bought the second one).

As someone mentioned on this forum during one of DS's runs on the Scifi channel, it must have been around 1998, Reverend Trask's Worthington Hall in the 1897 storyline is modeled after the boys' school Dotheboys Hall in Dickens' "Nicholas Nickleby."

If anyone reading this has read Lara's book, I would be interested to hear your comments about this aspect of it.

The interview with Lara was nearly an hour but I found was well worth listening to. She mentions (in a bemused way) Jonathan Frid and Grayson Hall as being theater snobs. Her comments on Joan Bennett show she had both respect and sympathy for Miss Bennett with respect to the latter's somewhat chagrined attitude about working on a daily soap opera.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: Lara Parker
« on: October 18, 2023, 12:51:29 PM »
I was mesmerized by Angelique as a child . . . how could someone so beautiful be so evil? And that impression was indelible. I would never have believed that one day I would see her in person (at more than one DS festival).

Lara Parker was a skilled actress as her many performances in film and television show, and I'm grateful to have seen her in "Love Letters" at one of the Festivals - the best performance I've seen in that role, and I've seen two others).

Something was drawing me to "check the DS forum" earlier tonight, which I haven't done in some time, and now I now why . . .

Tears, tears, tears . . .

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: Edgar Allan Poe's Barnabas
« on: September 18, 2023, 10:08:40 PM »
I'm guessing that the two "most famous" Poe stories you have read are probably "The Tell-Tale Heart" and "The Pit and the Pendulum" . . .  Those are the first two I remember reading. I remember reading Poe's first tale of detection ("ratiocination" is the term he uses), "The Murders in the Rue Morgue," in my junior high school library. There's also "The Mystery of Marie Roget" and "The Purloined Letter." Some would include "The Gold-Bug" and others include "Thou Art the Man" among Poe's detective works.

It's harder to find complete information about Mark Twain's forays into detective fiction. There are a couple with a faux-medieval setting, but the best of Twain's that I've read is the rather dark "A Thumb-Print and What Came of It," which is the first work of fiction in which a fingerprint is used in solving a crime.

Here are two links you may find helpful:

http://www.telelib.com/authors/T/TwainMark/prose/lifeonmississippi/lifeonmississippi31.html

"A Thumb-Print and What Came of It" (Mark Twain)

https://www.eapoe.org/works/stedwood/sw0305.htm

"Thou Art the Man" (Edgar Allan Poe) (The murder of Barnabas Shuttleworthy)




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Current Talk '24 I / Edgar Allan Poe's Barnabas
« on: September 17, 2023, 05:04:33 PM »
The other day I picked up a paperback collection of 10 stories by Poe and noticed that there was one I've been meaning to read for several years, "Thou Art the Man." A couple of years ago I made a study of Poe's three detective short stories, a genre he created, but I hadn't gotten to this one which is sometimes also said to fall into the detective category, a story of what Poe called "ratiocination." This one is rather lightweight from a literary standpoint, especially compared to "The Purloined Letter," which I think is a masterpiece of literary perfection. The tone of "Thou Art the Man" is quite humorous and, along with its small-town Americana setting, reminded me of Mark Twain (who wrote a few detective stories himself).

Imagine my surprise when I found that one of the characters, an older gentleman who disappears and is believed (correctly) to have been murdered, is named "Barnabas." I had never come across that information in any Dark Shadows discussions or books that I can recall.

While the story bears no resemblance to "Dark Shadows," it still could be the source for Barnabas's name, unless we know that the name "Barnabas" was definitely picked up from a New England tombstone, which I think I read years ago.

"Thou Art the Man" is a rather quick read and I would recommend it as a "Saturday Evening Post" type of story and not one of Poe's masterpieces of terror. In a paragraph introducing the story in my old Scholastic copy (which somehow I had at hand), it's said that this story introduced a new aspect to detective fiction, that of the (amateur) detective narrator, a fact I had read nowhere else despite my extensive reading into the history of detective fiction.


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Interesting . . . depending on state regulations, almost anyone can call themselves a "psychotherapist," so I was a bit skeptical - until I saw that she does have a Ph.D. It sounds like her acting career has primarily been in the theater.

I do vaguely remember the few scenes with Oberon and Haza but haven't seen that segment of DS in maybe 25 years (unbelievable!). Perhaps I should revisit instead of always going back to my favorite, 1840. I remember the "previous time period" storylines in greater detail, but my childhood viewing seemed to be pretty much the contemporary storylines.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '24 I / Re: A Cousin Passes
« on: May 13, 2023, 01:43:51 PM »
I beg your pardon, I had originally read this topic a week or two ago and apparently not very thoroughly other than the unfortunate news, so I see that my comments had already been addressed. I did find that his DS website can still be accessed through the Internet archive, through its updatings over the years and, to my surprise, as recently as 2020!