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Current Talk '02 I / Re: am i a nerd?
« on: May 22, 2002, 02:34:05 AM »
Excellent commentary by Prof. Stokes.  Much better than that salon essay, I might add.  And I agree with what everyone else has said.  Very telling observations.  At the same time ...

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but when the acting was bad (as DarkShadows' brother has noticed), it was really bad.  Worse, in fact, than just about anything else I've ever seen, including nonprofessional theater.  I know many wouldn't agree and might feel like pouring boiling oil on me for saying that, but that's my opinion.

At one point in the series, I was ready to toss in the towel when I felt everything -- from the acting to the writing to the direction to the stage hands -- had devolved to a point where the show had become a joke.  If I hadn't cared so deeply about DS, and if it hadn't been a part of me from childhood, I wouldn't have cared.  I would have written it off like DarkShadows' brother does.  Instead, I posted a rather over-the-top rant about my feelings, and fortunately, a couple of people encouraged me to persevere.  I'm grateful for those posters.  I'm thankful that I didn't give up on the show because the rewards that it ended up giving me have been wonderful.  

DS continues to spark my imagination on many levels, and I'm constantly amazed at the depth and level of intelligence and creativity of both writers and actors overall.  I've also learned not to take all of the series' shortcomings quite as seriously as I used to.

-Vlad

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The article made some good points, but something bugged me as I was skimming it quickly last night, and it wasn't until I got home that I was able to put my finger on it.

It was the breathless (giggle, giggle!) tone that narrowed the show's interest to baby-boom teeny boppers.

As someone else mentioned, the show's audience was -- and remains  --  far more expansive than that.

What a pity.  I doubt that the article will recruit any new viewers.

When is someone going to write (and when will someone accept for publication) an intelligent commentary on some of the themes, the innovative use of classical literature, etc.?

-Vlad


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Thanks for the link.  I read Salon whenever I can, but I think I would have missed this.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor of what?
« on: May 21, 2002, 04:44:15 AM »
I thought I had pretty much exhausted my thoughts on the question of what Professor Stokes teaches, but a few lines in last Friday's episode(s) provided more grist for the mill ...

When Stokes forced Barnabas (or was it Julia Hoffman?) to tell him who the witch was, he was both shocked -- and yet not completely surprised -- when he learned that Cassandra Collins is the witch.  "For my own personal reasons," he said (or words to that effect).

What were these personal reasons?  What exactly was their relationship?

It was revealed that Roger Collins met Cassandra at a party at Stokes' house (note: not apartment, as I had assumed in my previous viewing).  It is possible that Stokes is merely Cassandra's academic advisor, but I think there is more to their relationship than that, though this is never explained.

For a number of reasons, I believe that Stokes has attempted to psychoanalyze Cassandra, either formally or informally.  That is why he is both surprised, yet not surprised, to find out that she is a practitioner of witchcraft.  He has seen something hidden in her character that he didn't previously understand, which he had been unable to identify, but now the pieces fit together.

I think the background knowledge of the writers concerning Stokes is that he is trained as a Jungian analyst (in addition to his Ph.D.).

Earlier I explained my rationale for seeing Stokes as a psychologist who has branched off into parapsychology.

The Jungian element would explain his knowledge of dreams, symbolism, and culture in general.  Jungians are extensively involved in art and symbols, myth and religion, and dream analysis.  Like Prof. Stokes, Carl Jung was very open to -- and involved with -- the world of the occult and the supernatural.  Dream interpretation, at least today, is the sole purveyance of Jungian and Freudian analysts in the psychology field (it has pretty much been discounted my mainstream academic psychologists).  There is no evidence that Stokes is a Freudian (no talk about Oedipus complexes, penis envy, etc.  ;D), but he definitely has a Jungian worldview.

Julia stated to Barnabas that she had gone to Stokes because she thought he could help her understand her dream.

Stokes' background as a Jungian psychologist also fits nicely with the whole idea of a dream curse.

(I missed six episodes last week, so I wonder if I missed other important clues.)

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BTW, the dream curse scans perfectly as poetry -- in fact, it's a little too metrical, resulting in the sing-song quality one finds in much amateur poetry.  The four lines scan as four feet, five feet, four feet, and five feet, regular iambic for the most part, with trochees in the final foot of the first two lines.  The final line wisely varies the regularity of the meter.

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I happened to catch the last couple of minutes of a "Dream Drives" feature on Bellevue Avenue, Newport, RI, late last week. (Why am I always catching only the last few minutes of anything on TV?  >:( )

They were showing a number of stately homes along this seaside steet in Newport, and I would be willing to bet they must have shown Seaview Terrace, the real Collinwood, on this program.  Was anyone lucky enough to catch it?

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Thoughts on the Dream Curse ....
« on: May 17, 2002, 02:58:01 AM »
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or how to avoid doing my housework.  


Birdie, we're suffering from the same syndrome -- I'm told it's procrastination, and I'm a terminal case.  Not laundry but a paper I only have a few days left to write (I did finish one paper last night, but this one is the harder of the two.  They were actually due last December ... ).   ::)

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I thought I would comment having never seen these episodes before.  I started watching as a child with the haunting of Quentin story.  I like the premise of the Dream Curse.  


I began watching DS as a youngster at the time of Cassandra's arrival at Collinwood and the start of "The Dream."  (That's what the kids in my neighborhood called it.)  It hooked my young mind in a powerful way since it has stayed in the recesses of my mind all these years, even through the years when I had all but forgotten DS.  So The Dream holds a special place for me.

Your statement ...

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The fact that the effects are not that scary to us as adults doesn't take away from the idea.


... is perfectly expressed!  :)

I also agree with others that the scene where Angelique appeared to Barnabas in the drawing room of the Old House was one of the best moments of DS.  It was so creepy the way he struggled to wake up and stir from his chair, with Angelique standing next to him telling him that he could not, that he was having a dream.

It was brilliant to do the scene that way.

Luciaphil wrote:

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there's that episode where Barnabas relates the story of Josette's death to Vicki and Carolyn and it's almost chilling


Almost?!?  That WAS chilling!  Not only that, but Frid's scene and Louis Edmond's recitation of "Dover Beach" were two of the most literate scenes of any TV show I can think of.

And DS wasn't even in the running as one of the Top 50 shows of all time?!!?

Birdie wrote:
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O.K.  I guess I have put off the laundry as long as I can.


I'm going to try, try, try to follow your example!

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Calendar Events / Announcements '02 I / Re: Ben Cross Resurfaces
« on: May 17, 2002, 02:39:12 AM »
I always thought Ben Cross was excellent too, even though he wasn't quite the same Barnabas we knew.  I think it was wise of him not to attempt replicating Jonathan Frid's characterization, since the copy would no doubt not be exact but inferior.  

Cross's (interesting name considering he played a vampire) portrayal was so much colder than Frid's, except for the early Barnabas, but maybe like the original he would have "thawed" too.  Not only colder, but Cross reminded me of a conscienceless serial killer with both his manner and voice.

At the same time, he projected a very seductive quality, which Frid did not.


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Ringo,

"Kitten With a Whip" is on AMC tonight, and has a second airing sometime later in the week.  I know how you enjoy that one.

;D


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Sorry to hear that, Donna.  I was recording "Dinotopia" too, but "House of Usher" didn't start until 40 minutes after that in my time zone.  I think AMC airs these Poe adaptations at least a couple times every year (I always missed them), though that could change soon as AMC is planning to adopt a more TNT-like format.

I caught most of "Usher," but I had just arrived home and had to do stuff in the kitchen and eat, so I missed parts of it ...

They really jazzed up the original Poe story: for example, the whole love interest and the fire at the end.  I thought I was watching "Jane Eyre" at that point.  I guess the fire part worked, but it wasn't really necessary.  In the story the house just crumbles and collapses.

The house was pretty great with all the ornate furnishings, but I thought it should have been darker and more fraying and shabby rather than "museum perfect."

They also missed an opportunity at the beginning to have a voiceover quoting Poe's wonderfully evocative opening narration which could have been very effective in setting the mood:


DURING the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless day in the autumn of the year, when the clouds hung oppressively low in the heavens, I had been passing alone, on horseback, through a singularly dreary tract of country; and at length found myself, as the shades of the evening drew on, within view of the melancholy House of Usher. I know not how it was -- but, with the first glimpse of the building, a sense of insufferable gloom pervaded my spirit. ...


My favorite part was when Vincent Price tells how the house and the entire surrounding countryside became blighted from the many evils practiced by generations of Ushers ...  And those portraits were very chilling.  I think this explanation added a lot to the story even though it isn't explicit in Poe that I recall.

I was puzzled at first when the visitor (a very wooden Hispanic-looking actor) said he was calling on "Misasha."  It sounded like a Russian name until I realized that he was saying "Miss Usher."  He was supposed to be from Boston in the movie (instead of being Roderick's childhood friend as in Poe), so maybe that was a Boston accent (I've never been there but I think they drop their final "r's," don't they?   :) )

It's also interesting to note that Charles Dickens may have borrowed from Poe (they admired each other's work) in describing Mrs. Clennam's house and how it has absorbed evil in "Little Dorrit."   :)

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor of what?
« on: May 16, 2002, 02:57:47 AM »
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liberal arts!
but i think it is History like Linda!


I would say history or philosophy over sociology.  Again, Prof. Stokes seems too interesting a character to have devoted his studies to graphs, charts, infrastructures, ethnic data, etc.  Am probably revealing my own bias here as to what's interesting ...

Maybe he majored in history or philosophy as an undergraduate, and then went on to psychology/parapsychology in his graduate and post-graduate work.  Rockford College has given him a small lab and office to pursue psychical research. Cassandra Blair/Collins plans to become a teacher but is also pursuing studies in philosophy and psychology.

If Stokes' background had been in English literature, I would have expect him to have quoted Shakespeare or some other poet by now.  (They could have had him recite "Dover Beach" rather than Roger.)

I just saw Minja's post in the other thread which provides more food for thought. Stokes might well have studied comparative religions -- especially ancient religions, where magical practices played a big part.  I would also expect him to be knowledgeable of mythology (good one, Minja  :) ).  What department did Joseph Campbell teach in at Sarah Lawerence?  Religion?

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: ".....all's right with the world"
« on: May 16, 2002, 02:49:19 AM »
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the only thing I can think of is that he may have used a different stage name at one point.



I wouldn't be surprised if he did change his name after Dark Shadows.
[evily]


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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor of what?
« on: May 15, 2002, 04:33:28 AM »
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I can't see him in the Education department


I can't either.  People in Education Departments are simply not that interesting!

Speaking from experience ...



PLEASE, SOMEONE, STOP ME!!!

-Vlad, King of Procrastinators  [crazd]

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor of what?
« on: May 15, 2002, 03:57:06 AM »
Thinking that the real-life Dr. Raymond Moody, whom I mentioned above, might be a current version of Prof. Stokes, I did some quick checking on Moody.  He originally got his Ph.D. in philosophy and later his medical license and specialization in psychiatry.

Prof. Stokes could conceivably have trained in philosophy, or maybe psychology, and branched off into parapsychology.

Dr. Moody's interest in recent years has been "facilitated communication" with clients wishing to contact their departed loved ones by use of a  psychomanteum, a darkened room with a mirror.  (Actually, that sounds like what some girls in my elementary school tried in the girl's bathroom -- they turned the lights out and swore they saw a shape appear in the mirror.)  The practice is supposed to go back to ancient Greece and Egypt.  I remember reading an article about Moody's Institute in a remote Southern town, which made me think that Stokes could be in a similar role in a small town in Maine.

Stokes obviously is well-known for his expertise in the paranormal regardless of his official academic affiliation.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor of what?
« on: May 15, 2002, 02:55:57 AM »
I just read through everyone's responses again (more carefully this time) and noticed the mention of Rockport College. That always sounded like a community college sort of place to me; if so, it's doubtful that they would have had a parapsychology research department.  But then, would a community college be able to offer teaching licensure?  Rockport College could be what used to be called a "teachers' college."  Or maybe Cassandra actually is pursuing a higher academic degree; she could still have referred to herself as intending to be a "teacher" -- not everyone is familiar with exactly what someone with a Ph.D. does.

And who knows -- I believe that near-death and historic paranormal researcher Raymond Moody is associated with a very small college somewhere in the South, so it is still possible Prof. Stokes could be in a similar role at a small college in Maine.

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Current Talk '02 I / Re: Professor of what?
« on: May 15, 2002, 02:36:28 AM »
I like all of these responses, and I would have loved to have seen Prof. Stokes as an English professor (having pursued a graduate degree in that field myself), but I vote for Bob's professor of parapsychology.

Although English types are certainly very interesting people  ;) , everyone I can think of in the field tended to be rather coldly rational, nonbeliever types.  Yes, I know, I know, there were the Yates and Sayers and Tolkiens and C. S. Lewises, but that was in ages gone by.  (Though they actually were still active in the late 60s, so I guess that's still possible.)

Semiotics -- I think that's the same as what SonofBarnabas refers to -- now that's a great thought, thinking of Umberto Eco with "Foucault's Pendulum," but again I sense a professional distance from the subject that's very different from Stokes' very personal interest (and involvement?) in occult matters.

There were universities back in the 1960s (or at least "research arms" of universities, the best known of which was affiliated with a certain California institution I attended) that had parapsychology departments.  I believe these departments were offshoots of the psychology departments.  That really sounds like the perfect match for Prof. Stokes, though I'm certain he's very knowledgeable about history and all of the liberal arts.

This was a great question and responses to read -- my earlier thoughts were that here was another example of DS "veering off from reality."  But parapsychology actually sounds like a realistic possibility.

Cheers to Prof. Stokes!  What fascinating discussions one might have had over sherry in a tutorial with him ...

(And now back to my own academic assignments ... papers that were actually due for a class last December, but which I've not found time to work on since then  :D )