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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #420 on: June 24, 2017, 10:18:53 PM »
Before we can set up today's new scene, we need to deal with this one:


121    INT:  FOYER, SWIMMING POOL BUILDING - DAY          121

       David appears and begins looking for the ball.  He
       moves with caution, for the floor in this area has
       collapsed and there are only two large planks leading
       from the pool room to the front door.  David is walk-
       ing along the planks looking down below the collapsed
       floor for his ball.  Suddenly he loses his footing
       and falls, hitting his head.  The blow knocks him
       unconscious.

And when it comes to the descriptions and the directions, we don't see the ball come bouncing in until the beginning of -



- this scene - and it falls to lodge itself in the dirt -



- somewhere - and after David appears it doesn't seem at all that the only support in the area comes from two planks because, in fact, it looks like David is walking on a cement block - and after David sees that the ball is down in the dirt from where he's standing, he gets down on his knees to try to reach for it - but in the attempt he begins to panic as he loses -



- his balance, falling off of the cement block and down into the hole, where he hits his head on a broken off piece of cement and then rolls -



- over unconscious.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #421 on: June 24, 2017, 10:42:30 PM »
As Elvira put it, he fell on his head, so he was okay.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #422 on: June 25, 2017, 01:34:55 AM »
 [pointing-up]  [lghy]  But all Collinses seem to have very hard heads - in more ways than one...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #423 on: June 25, 2017, 02:20:34 AM »
Setting up today's new scene:

122    INT:  DOWNSTAIRS CORRIDOR - COLLINWOOD - DUSK      122

       We see Maggie coming down the corridor toward the
       dining room.  As she passes the stairs, she sees Roger
       descending.

                             ROGER
                 Maggie, we'll be having dinner in
                 a few minutes.  Everyone else is
                 in the gallery.  Have you seen
                 David?

And that's when today's first quote -

Page 52/Scene 122 - Maggie: 'He was terribly upset after the funeral. I told him he could take a nap. I'll go and get him.'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 52/Scene 122 - Roger: 'No, never mind. Let him be. This has been a shattering experience for him. Somehow children think that only old people die -- never someone like Carolyn.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

He is choked up and trying not to show it.     

And when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, unlike how the scene is scripted to open, Maggie is too occupied checking mail -



- and doesn't become aware of Roger until he calls out to her, at which point she stops as waits as Roger -



- comes into sight as he descends the stairs - and when Roger reaches Maggie he delivers his unquoted dialogue exactly as written, whereupon Maggie actually replies with "Yes, he was terribly upset after the funeral, so I suggested he take a nap. I'll go and get him if you'd like" - and Roger actually replies to that with "No, never mind. Let him be. It's been a shattering experience for him", with the "Somehow children think that only old people die -- never someone like Carolyn" dropped - and given the manner that Roger has been behaving up to this point, it's a surprise to see that Roger -



- does actually feel emotion and can empathize with anyone...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #424 on: June 25, 2017, 06:14:24 PM »
Wrapping up Scene 122, as Roger continues with today's quote -

Page 52/Scene 122 - Roger: 'My son is better off sleeping.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

       He is aware that Maggie is staring strangely at him. 
       aware that she has never known that he has feelings.
       He turns and goes into the card room. - She  exits  up
        the stairs

And when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, what Roger actually says is "I think he's better off sleeping" - and while I love the expression on Maggie face in today's capture -



- her expression after Roger leaves -



- is even better because she's like what the hell just happened, the man does have a heart - and as we'll see when we do Scene 123, Roger doesn't actually go to the card room (though more on that tomorrow) - and if it was shot, unlike DC's notation, we don't actually see Maggie exit up the stairs (but more on why that might be tomorrow) - as things stand in the film, all we see is Roger leave and Maggie's reaction to him, and then things cut to the next scene in the film...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #425 on: June 26, 2017, 12:44:01 AM »
I'm sharing the novelization of Scene 122 because the version of the scene in the script used for the novel is a bit different and longer than what appears in DC's script:

  It was around dusk when Maggie came along the
ground floor corridor of Collinwood toward the dining
room. As she passed the stairs she happened to see
Roger Collins descending.
  Roger said, "Maggie, we'll be having dinner in a few
minutes. Everyone else is in the gallery. Have you seen
David?"
  "No," she said. "He was terribly upset about the
funeral."
  David's father nodded bleakly. "I sensed that."
  "I told him he could take a nap."
  "Sound idea."
  "I'll go and get him," she suggested.
  Roger Collins cleared his throat. "No, never mind. Let
him be. This has been a shattering experience for him."
  "It really has."
  Roger looked sad. "Somehow children think that only
old people die. Never someone like Carolyn."
  "I think that's true," she agreed. "Carolyn was young
and so close to him."
  "My son is better off sleeping," he said with emotion
in his voice.
  Maggie couldn't help staring at him in surprise. She had
never believed him capable of much deep feeling and
his present sorrowful state came as a shock. She saw
him glance at her rather guiltily as if ashamed he had
revealed himself as an ordinary human subject to all the
ordinary emotions.
  Roger turned from the girl and hurried off into the
card room.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #426 on: June 26, 2017, 07:44:51 PM »
Setting up and wrapping up today's new scene all in one post:

123    INT:  CARD ROOM - NIGHT                            123
             LIBRARY
       As Roger enters.  He see Liz sitting alone by the
       window.  He approaches her.

                             ROGER
                 It's time for dinner, Elizabeth.


123    CONTD                                        CONTD 123

                             LIZ
                 I'd like to sit here alone for
                 awhile.  I don't think I could
                 eat, Roger.

       Roger takes her hands and gently pulls her to her feet.
       He is quite warm and tender with her.

And that's when today's quote -

Page 53/Scene 123 - Roger: 'She is gone, Elizabeth. But we are still here. The task now is to resume our lives. You belong at the head of the table.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

       He puts his arm around her and leads her out of the   
       room.

And when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, we really have no way of knowing how things might have played in the film because this scene ended up on the cutting room floor. And unlike how I wasn't all that upset that Scene 118 was never shot, I'm extremely upset that this scene was cut. There's no doubt that it would have been a great scene, and I'm sure Louis Edmonds and Joan Bennett would have played it to perfection. But no. DC, in his infinite wisdom, could have cared less that it might have been some of the best work each of them might have done in the film, and particularly that it would have really shown that Roger has a different side to him, even more so than Scene 122 does. But, again, no! Let's move on to[spoiler]Carolyn's attempted attack on David[/spoiler]as soon as possible because who cares about a great character scene. But then, as I've already said a few times, it's no wonder that both Louis Edmonds and Joan Bennett were displeased with the final film. Who wouldn't be when some of your best work ends up on the cutting room floor simply to place more emphasis on a film's violence and gore and to get to it faster...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #427 on: June 26, 2017, 08:18:22 PM »
And as if it isn't bad enough that the version of Scene 123 as it appears in DC's script was cut, who knows who's bright idea it was to rework the scene from the way it appears in the version of the script used for the novelization:

  Roger turned from the girl and hurried off into the
card room. There, he discovered Elizabeth sitting alone
by the window.  He went over to her and in a sympathetic
tone said, "It's time for dinner, Elizabeth."
  "I'm not hungry," she said.
  "You must try and manage some food," her brother
insisted.
  She looked up at him sadly. "I'd like to sit here alone
for awhile. I don't think I could eat, Roger."
  He took her hands and gently pulled her to her feet.
His manner was warm and tender in contrast to his usual
coldness. "I have never thought of you as a weak per-
son, Elizabeth."
  "I have tried not to be."
  "All the problems of Collinwood and all the personal
grief and trouble you've experienced have never broken
you."
  She looked away. "This is different."
  Roger was speaking in a low, convincing manner, as
he told her, "This may be your major challenge. Don't
allow it to change your gallant philosophy of life."
  "I could lose everything and remain courageous,"
Elizabeth said. "But not Carolyn."
  "She is gone, Elizabeth," he said. "But we are still
here. Collinwood is still here. We need you and Collin-
wood needs you."
  "It doesn't matter."
  "But it does," he insisted. "The task now is to resume
our lives. You belong at the head of the table." And he
put his arm around her and led her out of the room.

Can't you just picture how amazingly Louis Edmonds and Joan Bennett would have played that scene?! But alas, even if it had remained in the script, it still would have ended up on the cutting room floor...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #428 on: June 26, 2017, 09:08:47 PM »
A huge loss, to be sure. While Roger does have some screen time coming up,
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[spoiler]poor Elizabeth settles into a largely catatonic state for the rest of the film. I suppose that we and Joan Bennett could consider us fortunate that DC didn't make her into a vampire.[/spoiler]
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #429 on: June 26, 2017, 10:28:41 PM »
I really wish that scene between Liz and Roger had been kept.  What a beautiful moment.

Thanks for sharing the version Dan Ross preserved for us, MB.

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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #430 on: June 27, 2017, 07:58:52 PM »
The entire scene is wonderful on so many levels, but I really wish we could have seen Louis Edmonds and Joan Bennett play:
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  "I could lose everything and remain courageous,"
Elizabeth said. "But not Carolyn."
  "She is gone, Elizabeth," he said. "But we are still
here. Collinwood is still here. We need you and Collin-
wood needs you."

It just seems like it would have been a moment that we could all point to and say it's classic DS. Plus, it would have helped to compensated for all the blood and gore and ripping and tearing in the rest of the film. But no - DC just didn't see it that way. But then, we've often said that when DS was great it was so often in spite of DC, not because of him - and here's a perfect example of where he got things very wrong...
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« Reply #431 on: June 27, 2017, 10:02:03 PM »
Moving through the next scene and setting up today's new scene:

        HIGH    ANGLE      FROM      BALCONY
124    INT:  FOYER OF SWIMMING POOL BUILDING - NIGHT      124

       David is still lying where he fell.  Now he begins to
       stir and moan.  He opens his eyes, winces as he puts
       his hand to his head.  Then he struggles to his feet
       and climbs up on the planking.  He stands there a
       moment, wondering how long he was out.  He moves along
       the planking and looks into the swimming pool area.

125    INT:  SWIMMING POOL AREA - NIGHT                   125

       David stands there looking up at the broken skylight
       through which the moon bathes the pool in eerie light.
       He has no idea what time it is, but he figures he'd
       better get back to the house right away.  He turns to
       go but before he can take a step, he hears a strange
       VOICE in the distance.  It seems to be coming from the
       far end of pool.

And that's when the first part of today's first quote -

Page 53/Scene 125 - Carolyn (OC): 'David!!'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

       David spins around and stares into the darkness of the
       cavernous room.  For a moment he is afraid to answer.

And that's when the second part of today's first quote -

Page 53/Scene 125 - Carolyn (OC): 'David!!'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 53/Scene 125 - David: 'Who is it! Who's calling me!'

- coming up.

And when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, and the directions, things don't play exactly as scripted. Scene 124 does indeed begin with David lying where he fell, opening his eyes, wincing as he puts his hand to his head, struggling to his feet, and climbing up on the cement block (not planking) - though one thing we don't see is David retrieving his ball, which was the whole reason for his fall (but that *may* be because the framing of the scene doesn't do down far enough to see David actually pick the ball up - however, it doesn't really look like it because we do see his hands and they never hold the ball) - and as he stands there he brushes -



- himself off - and then, unlike in the script, soon thereafter still in Scene 124 he hears the voice calling to him, and as we can see in today's first capture -



- this shocks him and soon he turns -



- and then he walks to the doorway -



- but unlike in the script, Scene 125 doesn't begin with David standing there looking up at the broken skylight through which the moon bathes the pool in eerie light, nor does he decide to get back to the house so he turns to go only before he can take a step, he hears a strange voice in the distance that seems to be coming from the far end of pool - and none of that takes place because Scene 125 actually begins with David going though the doorway part way and he hears -




- the voice call him a second time - and after moving out a bit more -




- is when he delivers today's second quote.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #432 on: June 28, 2017, 09:46:02 PM »
Picking up with more of Scene 125 and wrapping it up, beginning with Carolyn's off camera response to David asking who's calling him:

                             CAROLYN (OC)
                 I'm here, David -- come and see me!!


125    CONTD                                      CONTD 125

       David's eyes widen in astonishment as he recognizes
       her voice.  He moves slowly along the walkway.

                             DAVID
                 Carolyn!  Is it -- is it really
                 you?    he   starts     moving

And that's when today's first quote -

Page 54/Scene 125 - Carolyn (OC): 'Keep coming to me, David -- I want so much to see you --'

- comes up, though it's in the script as:

                      Come      CAROLYN (OC)
                     Keep coming to me, David -- I
                     want so much to see you --

           CAMERA TRUCKS with David as he moves along the walkway,
           past each of the giant pillars.

And that's when today's second quote -

Page 54/Scene 125 - David: 'Carolyn -- I knew you weren't dead. I knew it. I knew it.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

                                   CAROLYN (OC)       Keep coming to me
                       Over here, David -- over here. ...
                       I'm waiting for you.

             David reaches the end of the walkway and peers into the
             darkness.

End of scene - though certainly not end of sequence.

And when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, the directions, and the notations, not everything plays as scripted. Carolyn's actual response to David is "I'm here, David. Just come to me" - and we don't see David's eyes widen in astonishment as he recognizes her voice, though if they did we wouldn't be able to see them anyway because it's too dark and he's too far away in the shot - instead we simply see David question if -



- it's her, though what he actually says is "Carolyn, is that you?", and then as we see his POV -



- he asks "Is it really you?", but unlike DC's notation in the script, David doesn't begin moving - and then the camera goes back to a long shot of David as we hear what is different still from the way DC changed it in his script -



- as Carolyn actually begins with "Just come to me, David. I want so much" and she concludes with "to see you", back over a closer shot, as can be seen in today's first capture -



- and as David then moves along the walkway through a series of double exposure and single exposure shots -





- David doesn't say today's second quote because it was dropped, but we do hear Carolyn actually say "Over here, David, over here. Just keep coming to me" - and then we see a final double exposure as David nears the end of -


- the walkway until the camera switches back to a single exposure as David comes to a stop and peers into the darkness and asks an unscripted -


"Carolyn?"
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #433 on: June 29, 2017, 09:28:17 PM »
Moving through today's new scene (and at first I'm going to do it by including minimal notations) and wrapping up the sequence:

126    DAVID'S POV   David    from    in  back of him        126
       From out of a dark corner he sees her emerge and step
       into a shaft of moonlight in a long, diaphonous gown,
       her face deathly pale.  She moves toward him slowly,
       her arms outstretched to him.

       DAVID AND CAROLYN

       As she slowly moves towards him, he start to inch
       backwards.

And that's when today's first quote -

Page 54/Scene 126 - Carolyn: 'You mustn't be afraid, David. I'm not going to hurt you -- you know I'd never do anything to hurt you --'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

       She is very close to him now.  Suddenly she opens her
       mouth, baring two glistening fangs and makes a grab
       for him.  The horrified David jumps out of the way
       and SCREAMS at her.

And that's when today's second quote -

Page 54/Scene 125 - David: 'Stay away from me!! You're dead.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

          He turns and runs for dear life back along the walkway.

End of scene and sequence, mostly as scripted. However, a good part of the scene actually appears in DC's script like this:

       her arms outstretched to him.
                                        David
       DAVID AND CAROLYN                   Carolyn - where are you
                                                 - I can't see you
       As she slowly moves towards him, he start to inch where are
       backwards.                                        you

                             CAROLYN                  Carolyn
                 You mustn't be afraid, David.  I'm   here David
                 not going to hurt you -- you know    just come to me
                 I'd never do anything to hurt you --  I'm here

       She is very close to him now.  Suddenly she opens her David
       mouth, baring two glistening fangs and makes a grab Oh Carolyn
       for him.  The horrified David jumps out of the way  I knew it
       and SCREAMS at her.                               I knew it
                                                       I knew you were
                             DAVID                      alive
                 Stay away from me!! You're dead.

       He turns and runs for dear life back along the walkway.

And when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, the directions, and the notations, as per usual, things don't play exactly as scripted. Scene 126 does indeed begin by showing Carolyn emerge into the light in a long -



- diaphonous gown, a shroud, actually (and "diaphonous" isn't even the word for it, at least not when watching the Blu-ray on a big screen TV because as the scene progresses one can see parts of Carolyn's body that I've never noticed in any other transfer of the film - I don't think I'd even noticed them on the movie screen back in the '70s) - and at first David is happy to see Carolyn -



- and as one can clearly see, Carolyn's face isn't deathly pale (and thanks heavens that make-up artist from the daytime show didn't do Carolyn's make-up here or perhaps she would have had Roxanne's blue hue) -



- nor are her arms outstretched to David - and as Carolyn slowly moves towards him, David does start to inch backwards with an uneasiness -



- clearly beginning to show on his face - and as Carolyn continues to move even closer as -



- today's first quote comes up and which she actually delivers as "You mustn't be afraid, David. I'm not going to hurt you -- you know I would never do anything to hurt you --" as David backs aware from her with even more unease -



- showing in his face - and just as Carolyn moves closer and closer to a point where she begins to raise her arms and she would have -



- bared her fangs, David immediately screams out -


- today's second quote exactly as scripted and then quickly pulls back into the shadows -



- to get away from her, and things instantly cut to the next scene. But as we'll get into a bit later, there was stuff shot that should have been where those last two cuts take place...

And as you can see, at no point did I reference any of the dialogue that DC added to his script, and that's obviously because none of it appears in the film.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #434 on: June 29, 2017, 09:40:49 PM »
I loved Elvira's take on this bit. Carolyn's not really dead. They just slapped a bunch of Gold Medal Flour on her face.
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