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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #465 on: July 12, 2017, 08:56:00 PM »
Moving on with Scene 128:

They all look at Stokes.                       

And that's when today's quote -

Page 57/Scene 128 - Stokes: 'I believe Carolyn was destroyed by a vampire. And tonight she walks as one of the living dead.'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

       There is general stunned shock.

                             TODD
                      (mockingly)
                 Because one who dies the victim
                 of a vampire returns as a vampire.

                             STOKES  he   looks  at  LIZ
                 That is absolutely right, Todd.

       Liz gives Stokes a contemptuous look and storms out of
       the room.  Roger looks at Stokes.  x  to the  back of  Todd's
          chair
                             ROGER
                 You have hurt my sister very deeply.
                 I hope you realize that, Eliot!
                        ELIZABETH    !   please  wait
       He follows her.    I  want  to  talk  to  you

And a wild thunderstorm is passing through the area, so I'll get to the differences in my next post...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #466 on: July 12, 2017, 10:50:00 PM »
Well, that was fun - if one likes thunderstorms - which I do!! Though I must say I prefer them at night when the lightening can have maximum effect...

But getting back to today's section of the script, we don't see everyone look at Stokes because, as can be seen in today's capture -


- the camera holds on the same 2 shot of Julia and Stokes and Stokes delivers today's quote exactly as scripted (although, in an alternate world on the forum, Stokes actually says "And tonight she walks as one of the just icky" - and if you don't get that, it's just evidence of what you're missing on the Caption/Complete/Fill In boards) - and we don't know if there is general shock in the room because we don't see the reactions of everyone, nor does Todd or Stokes get to deliver the crossed out lines because quite obviously they were dropped from the scene (and in their case I honestly do think that was for the best) - but what we do see is Liz in what looks to me like complete shock or perhaps even horror -


- more than contempt - and then as Liz wordlessly begins to rush from the room, Roger does indeed turn to look -



- at Stokes and then he gets up to try to stop Liz with -


"Elizabeth, wait."

- but she doesn't, and Roger doesn't stop at Todd's chair because he goes all the way to the doorway, whereupon he turns to look at Stokes with what is definitely contempt -


- but his scripted lines as well as DC's added lines (with the exception of the "Elizabeth! Please wait", of which a reworked version Roger has already delivered) are completely dropped from the scene so then he simply storms -


- out of the room
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« Reply #467 on: July 12, 2017, 11:34:29 PM »
Well, things just don't get any ickier! [easter_wink]
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« Reply #468 on: July 13, 2017, 09:03:46 PM »
[pointing-up]  Being an expert on the subject of vampires and their ickiness, Stokes would know!!  [b003]
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« Reply #469 on: July 13, 2017, 09:27:22 PM »
I'm sure that he has a PhD in advanced ickiness. [easter_wink]
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« Reply #470 on: July 13, 2017, 09:50:05 PM »
Moving on with more of Scene 128 by means of today quote -

Page 57/Scene 128 - Todd: 'I respect you enough to believe almost anything you say, Professor. But the things I've heard tonight -- (shaking his head) I don't know how you could expect any sane human being to believe them.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

He starts to leave.                             

And even though another thunderstorm just started passing through the area (one thing DS definitely got right with its weather is New England is definitely plagued with summer afternoon thunderstorms), it's not as bad as yesterday's so I'm going to continue on.

So, as far as the dialogue and the directions go, what Todd actually says is "Professor, I respect you...enough to believe almost anything you say. But the things I've heard tonight I don't see how you could expect any sane person to believe them", all without any shaking of his head - however, he's sitting down and staring down when he -


- says "Professor, I respect you...enough to believe almost" - and he taps his chair while he's looking at Stokes, then getting up and standing up when he -



- says "anything you say. But the things I've heard tonight" - and, as we can see in today's capture, he leans toward Stokes when he -


- says "I don't see how you could expect any sane person" - and then, as scripted, he begins his turn -


- to leave as he finishes with "to believe them."
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #471 on: July 13, 2017, 09:56:26 PM »
Quote from: Uncle Roger on July 13, 2017, 09:27:22 PM
I'm sure that he has a PhD in advanced ickiness. [easter_wink]

To be sure!!  [lghy]  At least with regard to vampires...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #472 on: July 14, 2017, 12:28:28 AM »
Have you guys been to Lyndhurst?  I remember walking through the dining room in this scene way back in 1980.

One of the tour guides told me that she was there when House of Dark Shadows was filmed in 1970.  The lady said that Dan Curtis had canvas tarps placed over the windows of the mansion to help darken the camera shots.  Personally, I think the scenes look darker in Tim Burton's DS film.
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« Reply #473 on: July 14, 2017, 05:21:38 PM »
Quote from: Bob_the_Bartender on July 14, 2017, 12:28:28 AM
Personally, I think the scenes look darker in Tim Burton's DS film.

I wonder if that was because the Collinwood interiors were sets and, therefore, easier to light - or in this case, darken?
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« Reply #474 on: July 14, 2017, 07:40:06 PM »
Finally wrapping up Scene 128 and the entire dining room sequence (which has featured in the slideshow for 15 days - but it is a very important scene in the film - and, actually, if the version of the sequence that is in the script used for the novelization had been what was used for the film, the days featured in the slideshow would have most probably been even longer - but more on that later today...). And we begin wrapping up with today's first quote -

Page 57/Scene 128 - Stokes: 'If you're leaving the house, Todd, I must warn you to be careful.'

- coming up, though it appears in the script as:

                   STOKES
       If you're leaving the house, Todd,
       I must warn you to be careful.

And that's when today's second quote -

Page 57/Scene 128 - Todd: 'Of what?!'

- comes up, followed by today's third quote -

Page 57/Scene 128 - Stokes: 'Because of your particular relationship with Carolyn, you are the person she is most likely to seek out.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:


128    CONTD (3)                                (3) CONTD 128

       Todd stares at him incredulously and then leaves.

End of scene/sequence as scripted - but if you recall the film, you know that's not how things end in it. But first:

As far as the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions go, as indicated by the crossed out part of today's first quote, Stokes' "If you're leaving the house" is dropped in the film, and as can be seen in today's first capture Stokes actually delivers the rest as "I must warn you to be careful, Todd" -


- as Todd is walking away - and as can be seen in today's second capture, Todd turns to look at Stokes as he delivers today's second quote -


- which he does exactly as scripted - and as can be seen in today's third capture, Stokes begins the third quote by warning "Because of your particular relationship with Carolyn" -


- while in a 2 shot with Julia, but the camera switches back to Todd as Stokes -


- continues with "you are the person she is most likely to seek out", after which Todd just responds with a look -


- as he wordlessly turns to leave - and that alarms Stokes, who quickly stands up and soon -



- he and Julia share extremely worried looks - and then in what would appear to be an unscripted ending to Scene 128, we see Todd walking down the hallway -


- toward the foyer (yet another example of how DC loves his hallway shots [nodassent]), whereupon Todd stops by the bust -


- just inside the foyer - but then he turns to look back in -


- Stokes' and Julia's direction - and soon as he begins to hear Stokes' words echoing through his mind as "I believe Carolyn was destroyed by a vampire and tonight she walks as one of the living dead"(or the "just icky" ;)) - and he thinks upon them -


- he gets a determined look -


- and he decides to -


- move on to leave - after which the camera racks focus back to Julia and Stokes as Julia had been watching him leave -



- and then she looks up at Stokes -



- which is the actual end of Scene 128 and the entire sequence.
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« Reply #475 on: July 14, 2017, 10:02:10 PM »
So, this is how the dining room scene transpires in the novelization:

  At that moment the front door was slammed shut and
a few seconds later a hysterical David came running into
the dining room. He halted.
  The he blurted out for all to hear, "I saw Carolyn!
I saw Carolyn!"
  There was a stunned silence in the big dining room.
Elizabeth looked as if she might faint. Roger quickly
got up and went over to David. His face was stern again.
  "What is the meaning of this?" he asked coldly.
  David looked at him with pleading eyes. "I did,
Father. I saw Carolyn."
  Roger grasped him by the shoulder. "David how dare
you pull one of your tricks at a time like this!"
  There was a high state of tension in the atmosphere.
No one could really blame Roger for being annoyed at
the display of bad taste on his son's part. Then
to everyone's amazement Professor Stoked stepped for-
ward to join the two.
  In a calm, reasoning voice he asked the boy, "Where
did you see her, David?"
  "At the old swimming pool," the boy said, grateful for
a sympathetic ear.
  Elizabeth rose dramatically from the table, her face the
color of chalk. Without a word to anyone she left the
assembled group and went across to the other side of
the room to stare out the window. She behaved like some-
one is shock.
  Now Todd was on his feet asking, "professor, you
don't believe for a minute he really saw her, do you?"
  Stokes hesitated, then said, "It is something to be gone
into in depth."
  Maggie came forward. "David is exhausted, hungry
and injured. He shouldn't be questioned in this manner
now. Let me take him out of here and look after him."
  The professor nodded. "You are right. All this can
wait."
  Maggie took the boy firmly by the hand. "Come,
David."
  He held back. "But, Father, I saw her. Please, believe
me!"
  Roger, looking less stern, said, "Go with Maggie and
get that wound on your head fixed and cleaned up. We
can talk about it later." he waited until Maggie left the
room with the boy and then he turned to the professor.
"Well, Stokes?"
  The professor met his glance unflinchingly. "Yes, I
think the boy was telling the truth!"
  "What?" Roger demanded.
  Todd said, "Explain yourself."
  "I intend to," the middle-aged man said, "if you will
give me the opportunity."
  Julia said, "These good friends are startled, Eliot. And
why shouldn't they be? They are not as well informed
about this as you."
  Mollified by her placating words, he said, "That is so."
And directing himself to Roger, he continued, I believe
he did see Carolyn and I suggest we try to find her
now."
  This amazing statement brought another wave of mur-
muring among the others. Only Elizabeth remained out of
the discussion, still standing by the window with a pale
aloofness.
  Roger took charge of the situation and told the pro-
fessor, "Eliot, I think it is shocking that you are willing
to take seriously the hallucination of a very upset child!
We're not going anywhere!"
  Stokes drew himself to full height. "Do you not think
me responsible?"
  "Not in this," Roger said grimly.
  "I warn you, this must be taken seriously," Stokes told
him.
  Roger raised his hand in a gesture of disgust. "My
son is suffering from shock and sorrow.  That's all there
is to it. That and nothing more!"
  Todd, his handsome face stricken with grief, said,
"Professor, Carolyn is dead."
  Professor Stokes said gravely,  "She is dead and yet
she is alive."
  Julia Hoffman came up to him. "Eliot, you're not
making out very well. Try to remember you're not
lecturing to students in the classroom."
  Elizabeth left the window and came angrily across the
room to the professor. "Eliot, if I didn't know you to
be a man of character and integrity, I'd ask you to
leave this house now!"
  He looked hurt. "You also doubt me?"
  Despair shown in her lovely worn face. "Can I help
it?"
  Stokes looked around at all the accusing faces, which
showed anger and contempt for him. Only Julia Hoff-
man continued to look calm and resigned.
  He said unhappily, "I'm merely trying to help."
  "You have a strange way of doing it,"Roger snapped.
  Stokes was silent for a moment as he seemed to take
stock, then he announced, "There is a way of proving
whether or not the boy was right."
  Todd demanded, "How?"
  There was a dramatic silence. Then the professor said
quietly, "By opening Carolyn's grave."
  Roger groaned in disgust. "Oh, my God, Eliot!"
  "It is the only way," the professor maintained.
  Todd moved away a little and to no one in particular
murmured, "There's something sick about all this!"
  Elizabeth confronted the professor with a dignified
mien. "I'm sorry, but we're not going to discuss this any
further tonight or at any future time!"
  Julia Hoffman went to the grief-stricken mother and
quietly said, "Elizabeth, I think you should listen to what
Eliot has to say."
  "It's madness!" Elizabeth protested.
  "Not so much as you think," Julia said, and she
turned to Stokes. "You must tell them."
  Everyone's eyes were on him. He hesitated rather un-
comfortably, seeming to feel he'd already been sub-
jecyed to enough doubt and abuse.
  Then he said, "I doubt if they'll listen."
  "Try," the woman doctor urged him.
  Stokes said, "I believe Carolyn was destroyed by a
vampire."
  Roger looked stunned. "A vampire?" His shock re-
flected that of all the others in the room.
  "Yes," the professor said. "And tonight she walks as
one of the living dead."
  Todd stared at him bitterly. "I think I've read about
that subject in one of your magazine articles. Very sensa-
tional! They featured it on the front cover. Some people
will believe anything."
  "You'd be well advised to believe this," Professor
Stokes warned them.
  "I seem to remember the title of the article," Todd
went on, savagely making fun of him in his grief-stricken
fury. "Wan't it 'Does one who dies the victim of a
vampire return as a vampire?' A real spine chiller!"
  "Absolutely right, Todd," the older man said, ignoring
the sarcasm. "It unfortunately is only too true that if one
dies the victim of a vampire one returns as a vampire."
  Elizabeth stared at the professor with icy contempt for
a moment, then turned and hurriedly left the dining
room.
  Roger glared at the pompous man. "You have hurt my
sister very deeply. I hope you realize that, Eliot." And he
also left the room.
  Professor Stokes looked sad. "I'm sorry," he apolo-
gized to the departing Roger.
  Todd seemed to have regained his temper. Now he
came to the professor and told him, "I'm sorry I blew
up just now."
  "It didn't matter," the professor said.
  "I think it did,"Todd said in a repentant tone. "I re-
spect you enough to believe almost anything you say,
Professor. But the things I've heard tonight." He shook
his head.
  "You find it hard to accept them?"
  Todd's tone was tragic. "I don't know how you could
expect any sane human being to believe them." And with
bowed head and slumped shoulders, he turned to leave.
  Stokes called out, "if you're leaving the house, Todd, I
must warn you to be careful."
  He paused and looked back. "To be what?"
  "Careful."
  "Careful?" Todd echoed, not understanding. "Of
what?"
   "A danger that may reach out to you from the dark-
ness," the professor said solemnly.
  The young man looked impatient with him. "I don't
want fancy phrases. Give me facts."
  "All right, let it be facts," the professor agreed. "Be-
cause of your particular relationship with Carolyn, you
are the person she is most likely to seek out."
  "Ridiculous!" Todd exclaimed.
  "I've warned you," Professor Stokes said.
  Todd stared at him unhappily and then left the room,
leaving Julia Hoffman and the professor alone.
  "I'm afraid you didn't manage that very well, Eliot,"
she told him.
  He regarded her helplessly. "I tried. They wouldn't
listen."
  "You went about it in such a way that everything you
said could be turned against you."
  "You might have helped more," Stokes accused her.
  Julia Hoffman answered frankly, "Yes, I might have.
But I doubted it would change things much. And I
might have harmed my personal credibility if I espoused
your cause too strongly."
  "You are the only one with reason to think what I
say is true."
  "I know it. And later I'll do my best to make them
understand."
  Professor Stokes gazed at the door through which Todd
had just made his exit. "In the meantime no one listens
to me. That young man, Todd, is in serious danger. But
he wouldn't accept my warning."
  Julia sighed. "Let us hope he'll reconsider and be
wary."

Needless to say, everyone had material cut from the version of the scenes used there - though Stokes, Todd, and Liz suffered the worst cuts. But of course, when in doubt, cut the meaty character stuff...
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« Reply #476 on: July 15, 2017, 02:50:02 AM »
Before we leave Scenes 127 and 128, I'd like to share a rare still of Liz' reaction to hearing David say that Carolyn is alive -



- which as far as I can recall has only been published once, in an article on the film published in Tiger Beat Spectacular. We might not have seen Liz' reaction in the film (at least not where we should have seen it, if my suspicion in reply 445 is correct), but at least one still of it does exist.

And also, as a Grayson fan, I can't let pass how unfortunate it is that so much of her gets cropped out of the end of Scene 128 shots of Julia and Stokes. But at least we do see more of her on the VHS:

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« Reply #477 on: July 15, 2017, 03:28:43 AM »
Many thanks once again, MB, for sharing those two lovely shots of Joan and Grayson.  For me they were the true Queens of DS.

And I just have to comment that TIGER BEAT would be about the last place in 1970 I'd expect to find a "rare still" of Joan Bennett--just shows how much interest there still was in our show in the "teen market" back then.

Another irony is that the movie was publicized in such a way that well before going to see it, you'd know practically the entire story.  But as a result, as you have shown here, we have images of many scenes and set-ups that would otherwise have been lost forever.

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« Reply #478 on: July 15, 2017, 04:23:45 AM »
I just checked the Fest's 1999 Movie Calendar and I'm glad I did because it includes dialogue from Scene 127 that doesn't appear in DC's script or the novelization:

For March 19th:


hoDS: Alternate Version of Scene #127 - David: 'Father!
Aunt Liz! I saw Carolyn, outside the house!'

(It's interesting that David refers to Elizabeth as "Aunt Liz" because he never referred to her as anything but "Aunt Elizabeth" on the daytime show. And I wonder if "outside the house" means David wasn't nearly attacked at the swimming pool in that version of the script but, rather, he was playing or whatever just outside of Collinwood?)

For March 20th:


hoDS: Alternate Version of Scene #127 - Stokes: 'I believe
David did see Carolyn, and I intend to have a look for myself.
I suggest you and Todd come with me, Roger.'

Though when I put together the original hoDS slideshow, I replaced those quotes from the calendar with their comparable quotes from what appears in DC's script:

For March 19th:


hoDS: Scene #127 - David: 'I saw her! I saw her!
She's alive!'

For March 20th:


hoDS: Scene #127 - Stokes: 'I believe he saw Carolyn
and I suggest we try to find her, now.'
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« Reply #479 on: July 15, 2017, 04:37:46 AM »
Quote from: Gothick on July 15, 2017, 03:28:43 AM
And I just have to comment that TIGER BEAT would be about the last place in 1970 I'd expect to find a "rare still" of Joan Bennett--just shows how much interest there still was in our show in the "teen market" back then.

Oh, yes - all the teen magazines were still covering DS in practically every issue. And that still (plus one other from the article that I didn't share) may be one of the few times Joan appeared in Tiger Beat. Though I do know that she would have also appeared when Tiger Beat did their family trees of the characters in the various time periods.

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Another irony is that the movie was publicized in such a way that well before going to see it, you'd know practically the entire story.

Yes, as I've often lamented, because of the prepublicity we knew practically everything that was going to happen in the film, with the exception of what went on at the very end in the monastery's rotunda. And it wasn't just the magazine coverage that gave away too much - just look at the trailers!!

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But as a result, as you have shown here, we have images of many scenes and set-ups that would otherwise have been lost forever.

Well, yes, there is that benefit...
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