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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #195 on: March 14, 2017, 08:26:01 PM »
Wrapping up Scene 79, beginning with yesterday's quote -

Page 27/Scene 79 - Carolyn: 'I don't know.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

       They exit and the CAMERA ZOOMS IN on the hand, the
       ring, the cane.

And as for what's different when it comes to the dialogue, the descriptions, and directions, as we can see in yesterday's capture, Carolyn turns to look back toward Willie when she says -


- she doesn't know who Willie is with - and Carolyn and Todd don't actually exit the Collinsport Inn because they simply exit the shot as Willie continues to watch in their direction and -


- then the camera zooms in on the hand and the ring -



- but still no cane.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #196 on: March 15, 2017, 12:04:04 AM »
When it comes to what's different in the original draft versus DC's script, once again it's not worth sharing the whole scene because the differences are minor:
  • After Carolyn says she sees Willie, Todd originally replies with a surprised "Willie!" But that was dropped.
  • And after Willie brings up his new job and before he explains that the opportunity came up suddenly, Carolyn originally asks "A new job?" But that was dropped.
  • And as they are originally leaving, Todd asks "Did you find out who he's with?" But that was reworked, first for the worse in DC's script and then for the better in the film.
  • And originally Carolyn's simple reply is "No." But that was reworked.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #197 on: March 15, 2017, 12:34:08 AM »
Setting up the current scene:

80     INT:  COLLINWOOD - GALLERY ROOM - NIGHT            80
       WIDE ANGLE - from left corner of window

       Liz, Roger, Carolyn and T. ELOIT STOKES, a suave,
       meticulous man, in his forties.  Slightly apart from
       them, Julia Hoffman sits reading an ancient ledger.

And that's when today's quote -

Page 27/Scene 80 - Roger (to Carolyn): 'So you saw Loomis! I daresay he is different. I finally managed to penetrate that thick skull. He's evidently so afraid that he's never even picked up his pay.'

- comes up.

And because this scene is also among the ones that sadly ended up on the cutting room floor, it appears that once again the audience was deprived of another of Roger's best lines (poor Roger - it's a complete delusion and an inflated belief in his own self-importance for him to think he had anything to do with the changes in Willie [snow_wink] [snow_cheesy]). But we'll never know Roger's lines were actually delivered as scripted because, not only was this scene cut, but its footage was subsequently destroyed...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #198 on: March 16, 2017, 08:46:03 PM »
Continuing Scene 80, first with yesterday's quote -

Page 27/Scene 80 - Liz: 'How is Daphne today, Julia?'

- coming up, and followed by today's quote -

Page 27/Scene 80 - Julia: 'She seems to be getting stronger. But she still doesn't remember anything.'

- coming up.

And we'll never know if that exchange actually played out as scripted because this scene is among the many that ended up on the cutting room floor and whose footage was subsequently destroyed. And it's also unfortunate that in the film we never do get any update on Daphne's condition. I suppose DC presumed the audience would just think she recovered but never remembered what happened to her...

And something else I should definitely mention is that on the Fest's 1999 Movie Calendar yesterday's quote from Liz is actually attributed to Stokes. And considering the remarks he'll be making in tomorrow's quote, having Stokes originally inquire about Daphne makes quite a bit of sense. But tomorrow that will become much clearer...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #199 on: March 16, 2017, 09:12:01 PM »
Is this the final mention of the character in all of the scripts?
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #200 on: March 16, 2017, 10:21:19 PM »
I believe so.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #201 on: March 17, 2017, 06:46:23 PM »
And wrapping up Scene 80 as it appears in DC's script:


80     CONTD                                        CONTD 80

And that's when today's quote -

Page 28/Scene 80 - Stokes: 'It's vital that she does. The police have no clues as to what killed Nancy Hodiak.'

- comes up, though it appears in the script like this:

                            STOKES
                It's vital that she does.  The
                police have no clues as to whatever         
                killed Nancy Hodiak.

But we'll never really know how or if Stokes' line might have played in the film (though shouldn't "what" have been changed to "whatsoever"? ::)  Especially for a character like Stokes who would definitely be speaking correctly) because, while this scene was shot, it's among the many that ended up on the cutting room floor...

However, even though this is the end of Scene 80 in DC's script, the scene is much longer in the novelization. And all of that will be coming up later...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #202 on: March 17, 2017, 09:02:55 PM »
Picking up the novel after Stokes' line, which appears as scripted, not as changed:

  "And you think Daphne might provide the answer?"
Julia asked quietly.
  Stokes cleared his throat. "Wouldn't you agree that
both women were attacked by the same monster?"
  Roger spoke up in his arrogant way. "Certainly this
must be true. Aren't the marks on Daphne's throat identi-
cal to those on the throat of Nancy Hodiak?"
  "I didn't examine Nancy Hodiak's throat, "Julia said carefully.
"But I expect they were similar."
  Roger stood up with a gesture of dismissal.  "Well, there
you are!"
  Elizabeth looked concerned. "Must we talk of nothing
but the murder? I've heard enough about it."
  Roger smiled at her sarcastically.  "We're all aware of
your sensitivity, Elizabeth. But the fact is, some sort of
murderous monster is loose around here and we need to
think about it until this thing is captured or eliminated
and we're free to breathe safely again."
  Carolyn said, "The police are following up the attacks."
  T. Eliot Stokes looked skeptical. "The trouble with the
police," he said, "is that they lack imagination."
  Dr. Hoffman gave him a sad smile. "Which is one thing
no one can say about you, Professor Stokes."
  He looked pleased. "Well I do have a certain flair, a
kind of talent for solving mysteries."
  Roger offered the professor a bleak look. "Then why
don't you go ahead and solve this one."
  Stokes became flustered. "You misunderstood me,
Roger. I didn't say I could solve any mystery. I
stated that I had a flair for detecting facts that were
often overlooked by the police."
  Roger glared at him.  "I don't know what you mean by
that but I can tell you it spells nothing to me."
  Julia smiled to herself and began reading again.

And as I said previously, some if not all of that additional material *may* have indeed been in some previous version of the script because a line of Liz' that does not appear in DC's script or even in the novelization -


hoDS: Alternate Version of Scene #80 - Liz: 'Every time
there's someone at the door, I think something else has
happened.'

- does indeed appear on the Fest's 1999 Movie Calendar as the entry for January 31st (and it appeared in the original hoDS on that date), so at some point there was more to the scene than appears in DC's script and that version of the script is the one that was used by the Fest for the calendar because they make a point of stating that all the quotes on the calendar come directly from hoDS and NoDS scripts. And if what appears in the novelization really was also a part of a previous script, it's yet another example of some great Roger material not making it to the film - not to mention some material that was a wonderful set up for Stokes...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #203 on: March 18, 2017, 02:10:21 AM »
And now here's a chart with the available info regarding when Scenes 61 through 80 were scheduled to shoot on the original shooting schedule:

||||Day of||
Scs. #s:|Location:|Pages:|Description:|Shoot:|Date:|Cast:
======|===============|=====|==========|=====|======|========
61 - 62|Int. Old House|6/8 Pg.|Maggie runs|   ??? |   ???   ??? |MAGGIE
|Hallway (N)||to Jeff|||JEFF
||||||Barnabas
||||||Double
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
63|Int. Julia's Room (N)|6/8 Pg.|Julia wonders|8th|Wed. 4/1|JULIA
|||about the|||SHERIFF
|||wound|||Daphne
||||||Nurse
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
64 - 65|Int. 2nd. Floor|1 &|Sheriff says|8th|Wed. 4/1|JULIA
|Landing (N)|2/8 Pgs.|Daphne's will|||ROGER
|||live|||SHERIFF
||||||ELIZABETH
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
66|Int. 1st. Floor|2/8 Pg.|Sheriff says|6th|Mon. 3/30|ROGER
|Staircase (N)||Daphne's|||SHERIFF
|||lucky|||
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
67|Int. Card Room (N)|2/8 Pg.|Sheriff|8th|Wed. 4/1|MAGGIE
|||questions|||JEFF
|||Maggie|||CAROLYN
||||||SHERIFF
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
68 - 68D|Int. Card Room (N)|3 &|Roger won't|7th|Tue. 3/31|MAGGIE
||3/8 Pgs.|talk about|||JEFF
|||David - Maggie|||CAROLYN
|||quits|||ROGER
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
69 - 76|DROPPED|4 &|Nancy is|NOT|SHOT|
||5/8 Pgs.|killed|||
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
77|Ext. Inn (N)|1/8 Pg.|Police car|21st|Mon. 4/20|Seth
|||drives up|||Police
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
78 - 79|Int. Dining Room|2 &|They see a|21st|Mon 4/20|BARNABAS
|- Inn (N)|7/8 Pgs.|stranger with|||CAROLYN
|||Willie|||WILLIE
||||||TODD
||||||Seth
||||||extras
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________
80|Int. Gallery (N)|4/8 Pg.|They discuss|14th|Thu. 4/9|JULIA
|||Nancy's death|||CAROLYN
||||||STOKES
||||||ROGER
||||||ELIZABETH
_______|____________________|_______|_____________|______|________|__________

As was the case before, we have no idea when the Old House scenes were shot at Lockwood-Mathews. Scenes 69 through 76 were dropped before shooting on the film began. And Scene 77 was ultimately never shot. And it's interesting that apparently Frid seems to have done Barnabas' hand himself in Scene 79 rather than them using a double - but that may be because Frid was already at the Three Bears Inn location to shoot upcoming Scene 194.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #204 on: March 18, 2017, 04:20:48 AM »
Before we can deal with tomorrow's upcoming scene in the slideshow, we need to deal with one other scene:

81     EXT:  COLLINWOOD - NIGHT                           81
       LOW WIDE ANGLE

       BARNABAS COLLINS enters the f.g. of the shot.  He
       stops.  We cannot see his face.  After a beat, he
       walks toward the door.  CAMERA TRUCK IN BACK OF HIM.

And the scene plays mostly as scripted -


- however, once Barnabas begins to move again, he doesn't walk toward the door because he actually walks off to the side -


- so the camera doesn't truck behind him because it's actually slowly zooming in closer to the house -


- and then begins to dissolve into the actual setting for -


- most of Scene 82.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #205 on: March 18, 2017, 04:00:40 PM »
Setting up today's scene:

82     INT:  HALLWAY - NIGHT                              82

       Mrs. Johnson comes down the hallway.  She hears the
       doorbell, frowns.  Who could this be?  She continues
       to the door.  Barnabas stands there with his back to
       camera.  She opens the door.

And that's when today's quote -

Page 28/Scene 82 - Barnabas: 'Is Elizabeth Collins Stoddard in?'

- is scripted to come up.

However, quite a bit of that is not how things play in the film because the scene actually begins, not with Mrs. Johnson in the hallway, but with Barnabas' P.O.V. of the outside -


- of the main door -  and neither we nor Mrs. Johnson hear the doorbell when -


- Barnabas pushes the button - and the first we see of Mrs. Johnson is when she exits from the hallway to -


- make her way to answer the door - and after she opens the door she actually asks an unscripted -


"Yes?"

- before Barnabas actually inquires in voiceover if Liz is home.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #206 on: March 19, 2017, 05:16:13 PM »
MB, thanks for all those pages of material from the script that was cut, plus the long passage from the Ross book.  I read that 47 or so years ago but have no memory at all of this scene and this answers another question I've wondered over the years--why was Professor Stokes over at the house that evening?  Odd to see that Stokes fancied himself some sort of Miss Marple to the family.  His words have a sadly ironic ring given how it all ended.

Best,  G.
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #207 on: March 19, 2017, 07:58:45 PM »
Quote from: Gothick on March 19, 2017, 05:16:13 PM
Odd to see that Stokes fancied himself some sort of Miss Marple to the family.  His words have a sadly ironic ring given how it all ended.

Very ironic - which is why their loss in the film is such a shame. But even if the longer version of Scene 80 had survived to DC's script, DC probably would have cut most of it anyway because it was character rather than blood and gore oriented, so...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #208 on: March 19, 2017, 08:02:10 PM »
Quote from: Mysterious Benefactor on March 18, 2017, 04:00:40 PM
after she opens the door she actually asks an unscripted -


"Yes?"

- before Barnabas actually inquires in voiceover if Liz is home.

I forgot to mention yesterday that that opening from Mrs. Johnson does actually appear in the original draft of the script as well as in the novelization. Another example of something being dropped somewhere along the way still making it into the films...
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Re: And Now The Return of Another New Slideshow (Sort of), Part 2 [**Now featuring alternate versions of scenes - see replies #18,#21,#23,#49,#64,#69,#76,#88,#90,#100,#105,#107,#115**]
« Reply #209 on: March 20, 2017, 05:56:00 PM »
Wrapping up Scene 82, starting with yesterday's quote, Mrs. Johnson's only scripted reply to Barnabas -

Page 28/Scene 82 - Mrs. Johnson: 'Who shall I say is calling?'

- coming up, followed by today's quote -

Page 28/Scene 82 - Barnabas: 'I am Barnabas Collins. A cousin from England.'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

       Mrs. Johnson stares at him, a little doubting, a little
       perplexed.  She nods for him to come in.  He does.
       She turns and leaves quickly.  We will not see his
       face until he is in the gallery.

End of scene, though not end of sequence.

And when it comes to what's different with the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, when Barnabas introduces himself, he drops the "I am" and simply says "Barnabas Collins. A cousin from England" - and to that Mrs. Johnson doesn't simply reply with a nod to come in because she actually replies with an unscripted -


"Won't you come in, please."

- and after Barnabas actually replies with an unscripted -


"Thank you."

- and then enters the house, looking up at a family (though actually Jay Gould) portrait on the wall of the foyer, Mrs. Johnson begins to move off but then she actually stops and tells him an unscripted -


"Wait here a moment. I'll tell her you're here."

- before making her way to the hallway and disappearing as Barnabas watches her move off.
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