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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0286
« on: May 01, 2007, 05:22:57 AM »
Well, in Ep #212 Barn did tell Josette that whatever power she might have had was gone.
I didn't remember that at all, so I checked the Robservations and sure enough it was there, and I do remember it...but I don't think it meant that Josette no longer had any power.  It strikes me as a speech of a defiance rather than a statement of fact.  Also, I get the impression that during that episode, the story was that Josette was already a ghost when Barnabas became a vampire, and that in fact he had never known her personally - although I think it unlikely that that's what the writers meant.

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And seemingly since that point in the series the only time we ever see Josette's ghost is when Barnabas is in some sort of trouble.
If I remember correctly, Josette didn't become a one-trick ghost until after Vicky's jaunt to 1795.

These days I'm arriving at a Zen-like acceptance and embracing of the all the inconsistencies in Dark Shadows.  Nirvana is very, very close.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0286
« on: April 30, 2007, 09:34:37 PM »
Dan Curtis must have loved today's episode - he had to credit only three actors!  I'm assuming that that was Sharon Smyth's voice we heard singing London Bridge, though I didn't notice anything distinctive about the voice.  What were the rules for the ending credits?

Beautiful job by Jonathan Frid, of course.  This was just his sort of episode, with the conflicting emotions right on the surface.  I thought the final scene between Barnabas and Willie would have been better if it had been stretched out a bit, but time was limited.

Sarah is hanging around, spreading an aura of protection around Vicky, while Josette's ghost, the traditional protrectress of people in danger, is keeping herself to herself.  Why?  Did the moment of Josette's death (as it is currently understood to have happened) imprint itself on her to the point where she is scared stiff of Barnabas through all eternity?

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Look, Barnabas - there, up in the sky - what IS it?! OH, NO - IT'S A VELVEETA BOX!!!!"

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0285
« on: April 28, 2007, 04:01:35 AM »
This is interesting: unlike lori54 and IluvBarnabas, I see Vicky's interest in the past as being perfectly normal and harmless in its present form, and I think that Elizabeth, Carolyn, and Burke are being totally unreasonable.  All this fuss over putting flowers on somebody's grave!  I guess I'm out of the mainstream here.  I grew up on stories of my ancestors - some funny, some sad.  They are real people to me.  My real name isn't Lydia; Lydia is the name of a great-great-great-grandmother of mine whom I rather admire.  Oh, gosh, here I go identifying with Vicky.  Truth sure is stranger than fiction.

And yet I know that Vicky's interest in the past is part of Barnabas's nefarious plan to draw her into his web, and to condition her to the point where she will accept the persona of Josette.  And therefore Elizabeth, Carolyn, and Burke are right, but for all the wrong reasons.  At what point, if I lived with Vicky at Collinwood, would I think a line had been crossed?  and say, "Enough is enough.  Something weird is going on here."  I just don't know.  I know I wouldn't worry about Vicky's "imaginary" sightings of Sarah and Maggie.  The Sarah sighting could be explained by flickering candlelight, and somebody else of Maggie's general size could easily have been in Eagle Hill Cemetery.  But everybody is convinced that Vicky's going round the bend.

It always strikes me as odd, in this storyline, that the Past refers to the time when Josette lived.  Any other time is just not interesting.  Civil War - forget it.  Gay Nineties - dullsville.  Roaring Twenties - no way.  But nobody says to Vicky: "Aren't you being just a bit exclusive here?"

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0284
« on: April 26, 2007, 09:41:46 PM »
The side of Julia's head makes a triangle.  Her chin and the bottom of her hair in back are the angles at the base, and the sides rise to a peak at the top of her head.  Sort of weird-looking.

I had forgotten what fun Julia is in these episodes, lying and smiling for all she's worth.  For all the complaints that Dave Woodard made, he let Julia and Maggie stay overnight at his house on no notice whatsoever.  I suppose Maggie was in no condition to make the hundred-mile car trip back to Windcliff.  Even today she was still suffering the effects of the visit to the cemetery.  When she entered it yesterday, she seemed pretty with-it, but now she is reduced to: "Doll talk?"  Kathryn Leigh Scott did it very naturally: nothing seemed forced.

When Burke and Elizabeth aren't around to challenge her, Vicky's willing to admit that she may be a bit too interested in the Past.  She really needs to find herself a new boyfriend.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0283
« on: April 26, 2007, 02:56:13 PM »
No, Jeremiah's grave wasn't shown.  Vicky mentioned that he had had Josette buried in an obscure corner of the cemetery as punishment for committing suicide.  Come to think of it, are suicides supposed to be buried in hallowed ground?

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0283
« on: April 25, 2007, 09:45:46 PM »
Great scene between Dr. Woodard and Dr. Hoffman.  No wonder there were so many scenes later on with them arguing; the writers knew a good pair when they saw one.  But Julia is indeed a daredevil, as lori54 said about yesterday's episode, or she wouldn't have left Windcliff with Maggie so soon after Woodard left.  I imagine Dave as being a slow, careful driver, the sort you'd never want to get behind in a no-passing zone, and I imagine Julia as being well-known to various cops on the road.  And Maggie being in the state she is, it would be hard to get her to duck her head as Julia passed Dave.

If I were Vicky, I'd dump Burke at this point.  He's entitled to his opinion, but he's being unforgivably stupid in his expression of it.  There are other ways to bring someone down to earth than, "You're acting irrationally."

Just what does Maggie remember, at this point, of her life before her kidnapping?  Julia asks her if she's familiar with the name Collins, and she says no.  She's lived all her life in Collinsport, I believe, and she knows all the gossip about the Collins family.  So...that's gone?  And I can't help being surprised that she doesn't recognize Eagle Hill Cemetery.  When I was a kid (and it probably still happens in the town where I grew up), there was an annual Memorial Day parade, and it went to the various old cemeteries in town and....well, I don't know; I didn't pay attention to what was done at the graves of the veterans.  But Maggie has to be familiar with Eagle Hill Cemetery, even if she never played in it after dark.  When she was first found on the the beach, she regressed to childhood, and in that state she would surely remember some things that she can't remember now.  So what's going on?

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0282
« on: April 25, 2007, 05:04:38 AM »
I keep wondering about that music box myself, lori54.  When Barnabas first has Maggie listening to it, its function seems to be just to induce a mood, but as time goes on, it seems to gain power.  In the episodes I've watched, I haven't seen any attempt to explain it, and my impression from what I've read here is that no attempt is ever made.

One of the great sorrows of my life as a Dark Shadows fan is that, although I love the word jasmine, every time I smell jasmine, I don't like it.  Maggie says it smells sweet, and I like sweet, but jasmine never comes across that way to me.  If I were Dr. Hoffman, I would be wondering if it was chloroform that Maggie remembered, since in the thrillers that I've read, chloroform is always mentioned as smelling sweet.

I'd like to know what Dr. Hoffman's plans are at this point.  Previously when we saw her, her sole concerned appeared to be for her patient.  In this episode, however, things appear to be changing; she's pushing Maggie to go to the cemetery.  She always knew what Maggie's blood looked like, so what is going on in that elegantly coiffed head of hers?

As for Vicky starting to lose intelligence at this point - having watched episodes 1-18 (still haven't gotten around to watching the rest of the DVD set), I am surprised that anybody thought Vicky ever had any intelligence at all.  Is there an arc maybe?  A Flowers For Algernon sort of thing, with Vicky starting out stupid, gaining intelligence in the first year to the point where she's a functional human being, and then losing it again?

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No character was the glue, because the glue was Collinwood.  The house, not the estate.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0281
« on: April 24, 2007, 02:13:27 AM »
It's neat to see Josette telling, through Vicky, the tale of her suicide, because the details don't match what in fact happened in the 1795 storyline.  On the other hand, if I remember correctly, the spirit speaking through Vicky in today's episode never did say her name, so that it is theoretically possible that it was somebody entirely different.  Heaven knows enough women have thrown themselves off of Widows Hill so there would be a wide selection of alternatives.  Maybe it was Beth talking, not Josette. Or maybe the spirit was talking about another location altogether.  I don't think the name Widows Hill was actually mentioned.

Or else maybe MagnusTrask is right, and Vicky's trip to the past got messed up, and the 1795 storyline that we later see is not the one that Barnabas currently remembers.  If that's the case, then something would have to have happened to Barnabas's memory during the later seance.

This is one of the many things I like about Dark Shadows: it's not perfectly thought out.  There are no writers manipulating me. I can make of it what I want.

On another note...the Collinwood residents go to a party at the Old House and are served nothing but claret cup. When they get home, do they head for the kitchen, figuring that at this point even Mrs. Johnson's nine-days-old New England Boiled Dinner will taste good?  No, they make a bee-line for the liquor cabinet because they just didn't get enough at the Old House.

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At one point during the costume party, Burke simply could not bring himself to face the Collins family after Vicki blurted out that Burke had the cutest little tattoo of Porky Pig on his rear end.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Barnabas, Quentin, and the Body Snatchers
« on: April 24, 2007, 01:42:03 AM »
One of Roger's friends discovers a planet called Velva, which is populated by Velvetians.
Does this mean that Velveeta cheese comes from outer space?

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0280
« on: April 23, 2007, 12:58:59 AM »
I'd love to get you started, Magnus.  I'm sure it would be interesting and instructive, and I'd try really, really hard not to giggle.

Back to the subject of the party...I still say that, despite the problems, it had huge potential, if only the participants could get into the spirit of role-playing.  Here's what they know - or think they know - about their characters:

Joshua: filthy rich.
Naomi: snagged herself a filthy rich husband.
Millicent: never managed to snag herself a husband, filthy rich or otherwise.
Jeremiah: built a house in the wilds of Maine that was big enough to accommodate practically the entire population of Maine at the time.
Josette: French and suicidal.
Barnabas: Washed his hands of his family and put an ocean between him and them.  Clearly the smartest of the lot.

Throw in a few gallons of claret cup, and they should have had a roaring good time.  But instead, they had a s©ance.  Golly, what a bunch of losers.

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Burke absolutely could not believe that, instead of going to the Blue Whale for a relaxing night of drinks and great conversation, Vicki wanted to go skinnydipping in the moonlight.

Vicki:  Oh, come on, Burke!  I went with Roger and it was loads of fun!

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: Jonathan Frid and Crypts
« on: April 22, 2007, 12:59:00 AM »
It is the first DS event he has attended since 1993 so be gentle with him, lol.
I remember seeing Michelangelo's Pieta at the New York World's Fair in 1965.  We stood on a conveyor belt and were moved past the statue, which seemed quite far away from my 10-year-old self.  Perhaps that's how Mr. Frid should be viewed this August.  I'm sure somebody could dig up a dead doxy for him to hold.

Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how in the world I'm going to be able to get to the Fest, because if perchance Frid does a reading, I definitely want to be there for it.

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