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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0840
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:53:56 PM »
Before Barn left the rectory to see Quentin, he must have told Julia all about Petofi and the dreadful Hand. Now that she is in the presence of this new enemy, she starts out by confronting him boldly and directly, but her fear increases with every moment--and for good reason.

I'll bet you're right that whatever the Hand does to silence Julia, it hurts. Petofi would enjoy that. Interesting that he didn't think to render her deaf as well, because surely she hears and can process every bit of Petofi's conversation with Charles.

Quentin puts the moves on Amanda, who is wearing the pink gown and the brooch that Charles portrayed. (Poor Beth!) And his moves succeed. Charles arrives, but he's no match for Quentin, who leaves--when Amanda asks him to.

Charles tells Amanda that he checked the date on his first painting of her (originally it was on a sketch)--and it corresponds with her first memory. And yes, that was weird that the glass didn't suddenly appear. Maybe Charles has to be relatively calm or something. I don't think we ever get an explanation. Charles tries to get Amanda to go with him to his studio to see the painting. Amanda struggles to get free of him. You have to come to the studio! he insists, trying to drag her out of the house, but she finally breaks free and runs from the room, wailing, Let me go! As she runs upstairs, she meets Quentin coming down. She won’t speak to him either and hurries away. What did you do to her? Quentin demands as he hurries into the drawing room. What I did to her started the day I met Count Petofi, Charles answers, calmer now but still upset. You’re talking in circles, Quentin says. Charles answers, No, I am not. You will understand soon enough. I don’t think so, Quentin opines. Oh, yes, you will, Charles predicts grimly. You have dealt with Petofi before. Soon you are going to be doing things you won't even understand. No, you are not even going to understand yourself. But when Quentin looks back at him, his face is somber with knowledge.

Petofi releases Julia from his spell but defiantly she refuses to answer his questions. She even turns her back on him--that's really brave! Eventually he tortures the explanation of the I Ching out of her. Then he visits Quentin, supposedly just to borrow the wands, but really to make sure Quentin knows he is no longer free. Petofi leaves, laughing uproariously. Quentin hears Charles's words echo in his mind.

Petofi throws the Ching, just like my friends and I did in the 1980s--no connection to DS, alas. At least Petofi doesn't get the Hexagram of Change. Julia guides him through the process until Petofi’s astral body stands before the door, which opens silently before him. He enters into a featureless, dark space. The door shuts behind him, and when he turns away from it again, he sees a disembodied arm. The arm is clad in an ornate, pearl-embroidered sleeve, such as a gypsy might wear--perhaps even a king of gypsies. And in the hand is the Golden Scimitar. The arm brandishes the scimitar menacingly at Petofi, who backs away in terror....

MT, you are absolutely right about how the I Ching is the right way to do it and the Dream Curse is the wrong way. I couldn't wait for the wretched Dream Curse to end, but the I Ching was full of suspense. I also love how in those pre-digital days, the actors used their powers of persuasion to make us believe it all.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0839
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:36:10 PM »
Quentin walks a very fine line indeed. In the end he doesn't betray Barnabas but Julia.

Good point about the embalming fluid.  [hall2_grin]

Quentin insists that no one can come back to life. But at least one person in the room actually has. Between them, Barn and Julia explain everything to him. But did they really not know about the skeleton in Quentin's room? I guess not, since David and Amy put it into that trunk. I guess this means that the skeleton in Quentin's room never was Quentin after all. Maybe Quentin the ghost didn't like it cluttering up what was, after all, his room, and so got the kids to bury it, and they naturally assumed it was his.

Quentin continues his attempts to fulfill his bargain with Petofi without harming Barn or Julia. He comments, It seems that all of my life I have caused trouble. I find that I really hate having come back and continuing after my death. If you will excuse me, Barnabas, I don't want to talk about it. I thank you. To Julia he says courteously, I am glad that you are feeling better. The next time, you will have to tell me all about the world that you know. Barnabas was very secretive about it. Don’t say anything to anyone about this, Barnabas cautions him. Who would I tell? Quentin replies, though he has the grace to look a bit ashamed as he makes a hasty exit.

The big reveal of this episode is that we know for sure that Chris truly is Quentin's great-grandson. I'm guessing that Lenore married someone whose last name we don't know and had only one daughter. She never knew about her father's curse, and so she never was able to warn anyone about it. Joe Haskell told Maggie or Julia that Tom was a cousin of his, so Lenore's daughter must have married Joe's mother's brother, whose last name was Jennings. They had three kids--Tom, Chris, and Amy--before they both died. But Tom never became a vampire--was it supposed to happen when he turned 21, and he hadn't yet? Or did vampirism trump the curse?

I'm sure Barn would hate to admit that he failed where Petofi succeeded. But he soon gives himself a new mission--to save the Collins family (again). Julia tries to talk him into returning to 1969 but concedes defeat: I always lose with you, don't I? she admits resignedly but fondly. Barnabas tells her, You must cure me again so that I can live in the daytime and deal with Petofi. I can’t do that, Julia protests. I don’t have the right drugs with me. As the discussion becomes more heated, they unconsciously draw closer together so that they are almost nose to nose. Don’t fight with me! Barnabas says with all his old imperiousness. You will use substitutes. That is impossible! Julia argues. Barnabas breaks away and shoves an 1897 gown at her (where did he find one so quickly!) as he gives her instructions: Here are your clothes. Now there is a certain lawyer, Evan Hanley--he practices the black arts. You will go to him as a member of the New York coven. When you introduce yourself to him he will know you. [How, if they’ve never met??] He will be afraid to do anything else. [Okay, I suppose he’ll pretend he knows her.] He will help you get the things that you need quickly. Now, this is what you are to say to him. He leans forward to tell her, as if they are talking about a far more intimate subject.

Quentin tries to drown his betrayals, as usual. Barnabas confronts him about the portrait and how he saw it change on the night of the full moon. The portrait changed, but you yourself didn’t: Why? Because the gods laugh sometimes, Quentin answers bitterly. I refuse to accept that explanation, Barnabas snaps. Quentin says, There is none, then. There is, Barnabas insists. Did you asks Tate? He can give no reason either, Quentin replies. Did you see Petofi? Barnabas asks. Quentin looks away guiltily. No, he answers much too quickly--why would I? I think you did, Barnabas says, because you know that he was a werewolf and you know that he is not one now. Quentin answers, I also know that he is an enemy! An enemy doesn't give kindness or explanations. With guilty anger he goes on, That is all there is to it, Barnabas. Now, my throat is parched. I have talked too much tonight. He takes his glass back and fills it. Holding it up in a mock toast, he tells Barnabas, Now, if you are in charge of finding my mystery, _you_ find out why I didn't change. _You_ discover the secret of the portrait. I am tired of secrets. I am tired of living this way. I want to be decent again! I want to be normal again! I want to be myself again!

The clock at the rectory reads 4:35 when Barnabas returns, bringing a storm with him. He calls out to Julia as he steps into the upstairs room. He gets no answer and looks around. To his horror, he suddenly realizes that the room has been ransacked and Julia is gone......




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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0838
« on: November 22, 2014, 08:19:59 PM »
Have you ever tried "Washington Square"? It's also an early James novel, not very long, and later was made into a play and a movie, both called "The Heiress." Aaron Copland won a well-deserved Oscar for the movie music.

The plot, however, has nothing to do with any DS story lines.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0838
« on: November 21, 2014, 11:14:50 PM »
Henry James wrote "The Turn of the Screw," as well as several other ghost stories. It's sort of a short novel. Benjamin Britten wrote a wonderful one-act opera on it. And there's also the movie, The Innocents, with Deborah Kerr.

I think you're right, MT, that Quentin hasn't quite caught on that he is now immortal. I think he's so overwhelmed that he doesn't have to be a werewolf anymore that it just hasn't registered yet.

There's also a movie of Dorian Grey with a very young Angela Lansbury.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: And Even Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: November 21, 2014, 08:22:21 PM »
Thank you, MB--a benefactor indeed!   [hall2_smiley]

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: And Even Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: November 21, 2014, 05:15:51 PM »
I found a one-minute clip on YouTube with Alec Newman that made me swoon all over again. I hope that someday the whole pilot will be available....

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0838
« on: November 21, 2014, 05:13:19 PM »
[spoiler]I'm pretty sure they did, MT, but my old notes say that they used a body double for Alexis and had her stand with her back to the camera so we could see Angelique's face. They did the same for the scene with both Julia and Hoffman, with Hoffman's body double also standing so we couldn't see her face.[/spoiler]

We saw in the lead-in to 1897 that Quentin's Room actually consists of two rooms: an outer, library-ish room, and Quentin's inner sanctum, with the roll-top desk and the wardrobe where Barn finds the I Ching--and presumably a big, comfortable bed that we never see (but that I'm sure Beth is more than familiar with).

Even if the front doors to the Great House were locked (as never seems to be the case), I'm sure that Petofi would have no trouble getting in.

The scenes with Beth and Jamison play out exactly as in the narrative of Beth the ghost, with several small differences. This time, after Jamison leaves her, Beth is furious. And of course, just as she aims the gun at Quentin, Petofi holds out the corrupt but powerful Hand and takes the gun from her. Quentin and Beth survive the encounter, but Beth is devastated at the loss of her disastrous love.

And now Petofi demands payment for saving Quentin's life. Quentin has followed Petofi’s advice and is pouring himself a brandy. When Petofi knocks, he invites the count in. Thank you for saving my life, Quentin says grudgingly. Petofi says, Your life was never really in danger--once I decided to change your fate. Why did you? Quentin asks. I’ve told you already, Petofi replies--I like you. And now I’ve come to ask for my price: I want you to perform a very great service for me. Angrily Quentin demands to know what it is. Petofi says, Barnabas Collins is a friend of yours. He will confide in you. I want you to find out from him exactly how he came here from the future and how he intends to return. He isn't to know, of course, that you are doing this for me. Quentin flatly refuses to become an informant. Petofi answers, You will find, Quentin, that you can refuse me nothing now. If it is payment you want for saving my life, Quentin says, I will do whatever I think is reasonable. Unmoved, Petofi replies, You will do whatever I tell you to do. You don't seem to understand the extent of my influence on your life. If it had not been for me, you would have been prowling the woods last night, looking for another victim. I prevented that. I did what no other living soul could do. I ended your curse. I don’t believe you’re responsible, Quentin says. Then why didn’t you change last night? Petofi asks. I don’t know, Quentin admits. Petofi says, I told you that it would be some time before you understood. But didn't things seem to become a little clearer when you returned to your room last night and saw your portrait? That portrait wasn’t of me! Quentin insists. Petofi insists back, It was your portrait, Quentin. It had the face of the werewolf because the moon was full. You mean-- Quentin starts but can’t bring himself to finish. Look at your portrait now, Petofi suggests. You’ll see what I mean. Quentin takes the portrait from the closet, uncovers it--and sees his own painted likeness staring back at him. (Apparently the moon was full for only one night this month.) Petofi presses his advantage: The portrait changed, Quentin, and you did not. What would you give if you could always look like that portrait the way it is now? I think I would give anything! Quentin answers far too hastily. Petofi says triumphantly, And so you shall. So it shall be! You will find that the betrayal of a friend is a small price to pay for what I offer you. You are impressed--I can see it. You have decided to join me and betray Barnabas Collins. A very wise decision it is, too! Yes, my dear boy. Now you belong to Petofi and--who knows?--perhaps to the ages!.........…

[For some reason, TD is credited as Professor Elliott Stokes, but of course he plays only Count Andreas Petofi in this episode.]

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0837
« on: November 20, 2014, 10:14:50 PM »
I'm sure Julia thinks of her clothes as part of her astral self. Good thing she's still wearing her coat, though, or she might have gotten cold lying out there on the doorstep.

Once again we get to see how brave Julia really is. And once again I wish I had seen the show when it first aired and I was desperately in need of good, strong female role models. But better late than never.

I absolutely adored Pansity's cut-out, lace-up bright blue shoes and want a pair in every color. Now.

Funny how Pansity's first impression of Julia is that she has "doom and disaster written all over her face." But Quentin is much smarter and takes the time to read the letter. He immediately goes to the Old House and springs Barnabas. He is careful to hang the keys to the cell back where he found them and comments with gleefully, It is going to be a generally disappointing evening for Edward, isn't it?

Barn tells Quentin that the Old Rectory is on Pine Road, which kind of seems off campus, at least off the estate. I doubt the Collinses would have had their own private chapel and clergyman. I can imagine them dressed up in their opulent Sunday best, riding to town in their magnificent coach and perfectly matched horses for services at the church that they surely paid for every brick of. They would sit in their own private front pew so that all the lowly townspeople could admire them (or at least pretend to) and so that they could be really sure that the poor parson wouldn't preach on annoying texts like "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."

Lovely to see how solicitously Barnabas cares for his "dear friend." But alas, it's now the morning of September 10.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0836
« on: November 20, 2014, 05:42:47 PM »
No no no! I love the idea of one of those room-size computers!

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0836
« on: November 20, 2014, 04:25:43 PM »
That's too bad, MT. But now I have a mental image of Diabolos/The Devil glaring at a smoking TRS-80. And no wonder.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0836
« on: November 20, 2014, 04:02:26 PM »
But MT, are you saying that Diabolos sent Angelique because she's Hell's own Collins Universe expert? So it would have been Angelique all along? Regardless of whether Barn was there or not?

Although I'm sure the fact that he was there made things much more interesting for her.

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0836
« on: November 20, 2014, 03:49:35 PM »
"Hell's search engine" I'm dying laughing here! I also remember those punch cards.

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Current Talk '24 I / Re: And Even Yet Another New Slideshow
« on: November 20, 2014, 03:39:43 PM »
Still yummilicious today. *thud*

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And just as I thought! Here is a link to a CNN story about some archival photos recently discovered at the offices of Condé Nast (publishers of Cosmopolitan, among other mags). They're all great, but be sure to check out no. 8 to see a very dishy young Joan Bennett--before she started coloring her hair, I believe. If you're lucky enough to be in London, you can check out the photos in person.

O mighty guardians of this Web site, my apologies if I've posted this in the wrong spot. If you think it should be moved elsewhere, I bow to your superior knowledge and wisdom.  [hall2_wink]

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Current Talk '14 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0836
« on: November 19, 2014, 04:43:16 PM »
Aw, shucks, MT.  [hall2_embarrassed] The Museum of the City of New York has a whole exhibit of kids' toys and games.

The idea of Quentin marrying Amanda instead of Angelique sounds pretty plausible, although I'm having trouble imagining Amanda being as mean and nasty as Angelique.

Although-- Maybe Laura was always going to return to get Jamison and Nora, whether or not Barnabas was there. So maybe Quentin was always going to summon-- well, someone to help him deal with her. So maybe Angelique was actually going to be in 1897 all the time.

But without Barnabas, we wouldn't have gotten crazy vampire Dirk or Judith shooting Rachel--who might actually have survived, somehow.