Smoking in the hospital and a question about Julia

[Heather]

I just love hearing her acknowledge the absurdity of what they had her doing. And there's another notorious interview in which she complains: "Julia's *such* a straight-ass." Hilarious!

But we still love that straight ass all the same, huh?  Especially when she has friends to loosen her Orbachs' belt a bit...
(!)   [_!_]    (supposed to be a tight-ass and hard-ass smiley, respectively...cough)  

Somebody years ago wrote this hysterically funny thing about Dr. Hoffman being jailed for medical malpractice and incompetence. I think it was part of a Collins Chriistmas letter, or something. It was so perfect.

Dang...I'd love to read that...sigh.

Anyway....I find this thread extremely amusing (taking a difficult ethics class right now )  I always thought (well, for fanfic purposes anyway...cough) that Julia was a doctor that had specialized in hematology and psychiatry...eventually she acquired Wyndcliffe, oversees everything, did her rounds, and dabbled in experiments with life and death during her off hours (LOL). And then she came to Collinwood, etc...Oh, I dunno. 

Any-Hoo, what's a thread about Julia's peculiar habit without a pic, huh?

This is from later on (episode #677) but I thought it was interesting because its a close up of her ciggie (I love this scene because the camera pans over Chris' cottage, gradually revealing Julia's things thrown here and there...makes one wonder what was going on as she waited for Chris and Barnabas to arrive {cough, cough}).

[Gothick]

Heather, you rock my world!  that's one of my all-time favorite mini-sequences in all of DS, just because of the way it establishes Julia's presence, and then the look on her face when we finally see her.  just a bit of brilliance from Grayson and her favorite bric-a-brac.

G.

[Patti Feinberg]

Do we know for certain that MDs back in the (we'll say) 50's declared a 'specialty'?

Patti...who can remember walking up & down the aisles of the grocery store and hospitals smoking.

[Raineypark]

Yes, there were specialists even back in the 50's and 60's.  But there were far, far fewer of them than there are today.  Which is one of the reasons the cost of health care in America is killing us all.  But that's another discussion for another forum.

I cannot, however, imagine anyone having a cross-speciality of psychiatry and hemotology. 
Who would they treat, besides people who got hysterical at the sight of blood?

[Philippe Cordier]

Thanks for the much-needed laughs, guys.

I met a female psychiatrist once (an M.D., as others have pointed out) who also had a Ph.D. in another subject area, something like Sociology and Statistics, though I'm not certain.  Maybe the Ph.D., if it was in one or both of these areas, related to epidemeology (?).  She was also a Jungian therapist, which requires a completely separate line of training.  And her business card described her as a diplomat of some kind, although I think that relates somehow to being board-certified in psychiatry.  She was in her early 30s at that time.

[jennifer]

That scene drives me nuts.  Back then, it wasn't unusual to see smoking while oxygen was in use, but not around an oxygen tent.  That's a tremendous amount of trapped gas.  They used to hang "no smoking" signs whenever a tent was in use, and a doctor would have known better.

 ::)most of the doctors i.ve know Midnite aren't that bright LOL
back 20 or 30 years ago in my old icu the nurses and mds would be puffing
away feet away from oxygen and ventilators ICK always
made me not want to smoke

jennifer
my old GP when i was a kid did it all and made house calls for a few dollars!
but of course we only had 3 channels back then

[Mysterious Benefactor]

I cannot, however, imagine anyone having a cross-speciality of psychiatry and hemotology. 
Who would they treat, besides people who got hysterical at the sight of blood?

 

[Dawn]

Reading this topic has me reliving hospitals of the 70's and shaking my head at the memories.

In truth, even today doctors have total disregard for rules and regs.  Common sense is often not common among the MD and PhD crowd.  (No offense to any of my learned colleagues...)  But, the mindset is much as it was back then.  The rules do not apply to me.  In the sixties and seventies, toking on a cig in ICU was common practice even with O2 in use.  Today, Docs ignore isolation practices and TB negative pressure rooms and just stroll right on in as if they're immune to anything.

The talk about the cross of Hematology and Psychology is not really that improbably in my mind.  The specialty of Hematology today often encompasses Oncology where Psychiatric practice is highly valuable.  Dealing with the chronically ill and dying requires special skills.  Yeah, I know, this is 2005 and that was the 70's.  But, DS was also a television show where Julia was a doctor, period.  Didn't matter what she really was trained to do.   All skills were fair game.  Docs have to learn it all before they can specialize, so the adage of 'if you've done it once you can do it again' seems to have been put to the test.

All this talk about the old hospital days is making me wonder just how we survived!!

Dawn

[Misa]

I know that if you want to be a psychiatrist you have to get your MD first. If Julia got her MD then her extra schooling for psychiatry she may have then become interested in hemotology. As to Wyndcliff, perhaps it had a psychiatric wing.

Misa

[Josette]

As to Wyndcliff, perhaps it had a psychiatric wing.

As opposed to a pschiatric wing, I always thought that Windcliff was a psychiatric hospital.  I wasn't sure if it had some regular medical sections or not, but that it was at least predominantly psychiatric.

[Miss_Winthrop]

I'm thinking that Julia was tops in her graduating class.  Dr. Woodard was probably 2nd in the class.  Why wouldn't a brilliant psychiatrist (especially a woman who had to prove everyday her worth to the world back in those days) want to get into a research sideline!  Dr. Woodard showed her a lot of respect and acknowledged that her methods were unusual but was willing to cut her some slack on Maggie's care.

[Amy Jennings Fan]

You would think that as a doctor, Julia would know better that to smoke around an oxygen tent. As a doctor, she should know better than to smoke at all because it's bad for your health.

[Misa]

Lots of doctors smoked in the 60's. People used to believe that smoking was good for you. I'm not sure when they found out how bad it is, but the tobacco industry found out first and then tried to keep it a secret. Dr. Hoffman was in her 30's of 40's, she probably started smoking as a teenager; she would have been 16 around 1943. So here she is addicted to smoking and a busy doctor. I can't see her trying to kick a habit that wasn't even frowned upon then.

Misa