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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2003, 07:54:48 AM »
Gerard Wrote:
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Best plot twist:  Angelique's return and attempt to live like Samantha Stevens.


LOL!!!

Poor Angelique!  That "happy housewife" routine just doesn't seem to suit her, does it?

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2003, 03:18:11 PM »
Gerard i'm with you on the Olivia/Quentin thing!
if she was so famous why didn't he know her???
Guess she was just a legend in her own mind! ;)

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Ain't it the truth, Jennifer?  Just imagine it:

Quentin:  "Oh, Amanda.  I've searched and searched and finally I've found you."

Amanda:  "Yes, my darling Quentin.  I can't believe you didn't figure it out before.  I mean, I've been on Broadway, in movies, on television.  I've won Oscars, Tonys, Emmys, Grammys, Golden Globes, all of them."

Quentin:  "What name were you using?"

Amanda:  "Barbra Streisand."

Quentin:  "Sorry.  Doesn't ring a bell."


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heehee just think of what James Brolin has to listen too!

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2003, 11:42:03 PM »
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Most welcome character (the one you were happiest to see)?
Quentin (whotta surprise)

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Your favorite character in Leviathans, period.
Angelique

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Favorite duo (non-romantic)?
Julia and Chris

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Favorite romantic pairing?
Don't have one.

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Favorite minor character?
Mr. Best

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Most irritating character?
Amanda/Olivia

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Scene(s) you can watch over and over and over and...?
Nicholas and Angelique reunite.

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Most wasted opportunity?
Quentin was BORING.

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Best plot twist?
Jeb turns Barnabas into a vampire

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Creepiest moment or event?
Audrey the vampire girl appears in Barnabas' dream

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Which scene had you yelling at your TV screen the loudest?
Barn's cavalier attitude after killing Megan

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What moment made you cheer the loudest?
The Underworld, peat moss, and Amanda ... 'nuff said?

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Moment in which you most wondered, "What were the writers smoking?"
Sheriff Davenport on his tombstone

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Event or revelation that made you ask, "What were the writers smoking?"
Peter Bradford is revealed to be Jeb's tormenter

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Favorite quote?
Julia:  "See how bad a detective I am."

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Favorite prop?
The phallic Leviathan altar
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Pansy Faye's boa (in the Antique Shop set)

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Favorite special effect?
Nicholas gives up the ghost (literally)

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Least favorite special effect?
Wiggles the Paper Shadow Puppet, for all those reasons

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Ugliest outfit?
Bruno's coat, and I'm still hoping it wasn't rabbit fur

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Stupidest continuity error (the most horrendous job of retconning in this storyline)?
Paul Stoddard's history is rewritten

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What scene had you closest to tears (because it was so touching)?
After saying his goodbyes, Willie returns to help his friends.

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What scene had you closest to tears (from laughing)?
Quentin pulls the sword on Sky, the pretty lamp crashes off-camera, and we hear the sounds of someone attempting to clean it up.

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Moment or event that made your jaw drop the farthest?
Jeb and Megan kiss (AAAAAAA!)

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What nagging question were you left with?  (Uh, try to narrow it down, please. :))
Did Mrs. Davenport ever get her antique tea strainer??!!

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Finally, what was your reaction to the storyline the very first time you watched it?
I stopped watching DS completely, got involved in after-school activities, and didn't look back til 1970 was underway.

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2003, 03:37:53 PM »
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Most welcome character (the one you were happiest to see)?
Evil Barnabas - cold as ice!  >:D

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Your favorite character in Leviathans, period.
Julia as detective

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Favorite duo (non-romantic)?
Julia and Quentin taking turns guarding Barnabas.

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Favorite romantic pairing?
Paul and Liz Stoddard (ha!)

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Favorite minor character?
Nelle Gunston.  I just really like Elizabeth Eis!

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Most irritating character?
Michael.  Would like to wring his neck.

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Scene(s) you can watch over and over and over and...?
The entire sequence of Angelique finding out about Sky being a member of the Leviathans and that he answers to her old boss Nicholas Blair.  Priceless.

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Most wasted opportunity?
In this case it's a character: Professor Stokes - why didn't they do more with him?

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Best plot twist?
Megan becoming a vampire.  She was so good at it!

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Creepiest moment or event?
Paul Stoddard's abuse at the hands of a chilly Leviathan Liz.

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Which scene had you yelling at your TV screen the loudest?
The marriage of Carolyn and Jeb.

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What moment made you cheer the loudest?
Jeb's little tumble off Widow's Hill.

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Moment in which you most wondered, "What were the writers smoking?"
Liz's psychedelic Leviathan conversion.  [crazd]

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Event or revelation that made you ask, "What were the writers smoking?"
Peter Bradford reveals Vicki's death.  I also just don't believe it.

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Favorite quote?
"Cheap insufferable pig!"

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Favorite prop?
Bruno's whip.

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Favorite special effect?
The ghost of Nicholas Blair.

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Least favorite special effect?
That stupid fricking construction paper shadow.  What the?!?

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Ugliest outfit?
Bruno's fur coat.  Could this guy BE any more skanky?  [snake]

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Stupidest continuity error (the most horrendous job of retconning in this storyline)?
The only thing that can kill Jeb is a werewolf...unless it's drowning...unless it's smashing the Leviathan altar...or a shadow...or WHATEVER!  [kaiokn]

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What scene had you closest to tears (because it was so touching)?
Josette and Barnabas: the final farewell.  :'(

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What scene had you closest to tears (from laughing)?
Paul Stoddard and his grin.  [crazy]

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Moment or event that made your jaw drop the farthest?
The sum total (acting, camera work, writing etc.) of the Paul Stoddard goes mad at Collinwood segment.  This was brilliant, esp. his interactions with Liz.

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What nagging question were you left with?  (Uh, try to narrow it down, please. :))
Whatever happened to Audrey the Leviathan Vampire Chick? [vampy]

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Finally, what was your reaction to the storyline the very first time you watched it?
To paraphrase this very poll, "what were the writers smoking?"   [smokn]

This time around was the second viewing for me, and I have to say I enjoyed it more than last time.  Maybe my expectations were lower, but there were some really fine & fun moments.

Thanks, Midnite.  This was fun!  :-*
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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2003, 09:00:44 PM »
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Most welcome character (the one you were happiest to see)?

Willie Loomis. Too bad he came in on the tail end of the story line.

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Your favorite character in Leviathans, period.

Willie again!

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Favorite minor character?

Mrs. Purdy.

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Most irritating character?

Sabrina!

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Scene(s) you can watch over and over and over and...?

The FunHouse dream was pretty spooky.

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Most wasted opportunity?

Paul Stoddard. Could have gone a long way towards tying up some loose ends if they hadn't killed him off so soon.

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Which scene had you yelling at your TV screen the loudest?

Well, I wasn't yelling, but every time I saw that stupid puppet shadow I found myself singing "I'm being followed by a puppet shadow. Puuuuuuupp-et Shadow, Puppet Shadow!"

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What moment made you cheer the loudest?

When Angelique rekindled her dormant powers to stop Sky from killing her.

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Favorite quote?

Julia to Barnabas: "What else did you have?

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Favorite prop?

The antique lamp Quentin accidentally smashed.

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Favorite special effect?

Just because it made me laugh - the breathing sound. It sounded like my dog panting into a microphone with the sound turned up to the highest level.

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Least favorite special effect?

The whole "underworld" Quentin and Amanda had to travel through - especially the big fake spider.

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Favorite outfit?

Jeb's groovy duds, baby.8)

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Stupidest continuity error (the most horrendous job of retconning in this storyline)?

Which one to choose? Chris had been confined to the mausoleum room pre-1897 because he was changing into a werewolf even when there was no full moon, and not changing back. Post 1897, he was only changing during the full moon. No explanation of the back track.

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What scene had you closest to tears (because it was so touching)?

Not exactly close to tears, but when Angelique returned to the Old House and was comforted by Barnabas (after finding out he was right about Sky) it was pretty special.

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What scene had you closest to tears (from laughing)?

The big fake spider coming after Amanda.

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Moment or event that made your jaw drop the farthest?

Mrs. Rumson? Meet Mr. Nicholas Blair. (A classic moment!)

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Finally, what was your reaction to the storyline the very first time you watched it?

The first time I watched it was during the last run-thru on Sci Fi. They had cut the show down to one half-hour episode a day and it was painfully slow.

This was the second time I watched it and it didn't seem as bad in one-hour installments. Actually, up until Paul's death, it played out rather well. I think there was lots of potential there but unfortunately it all fell apart about halfway through. :P 8)

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2003, 10:30:03 PM »
Oh Yippeeee!   A poll!!!!


Most welcome character (the one you were happiest to see)?
Nickolas Blair

Your favorite character in Leviathans, period.
Elizabeth,  I loved the chilling coldness that she portrayed throughout this storyline because it was so unlike her usual characters.

Favorite duo (non-romantic)?
Julia & Quentin

Favorite romantic pairing?
Megan & Philip  (who else were there)

Favorite minor character?
Mrs.Gurney

Most irritating character?
Bruno!!  (and his hair!!)

Scene(s) you can watch over and over and over and...?
Amanda falling off the cliff!!

Most wasted opportunity?
Not to have a better story concerning Carolyn and her father Paul Stoddard.  I would have like to have them develop a somewhat father/daughter relationship before they so rapidly killed him off.

Best plot twist?
Angelique meeting up with Nickolas Blair again!!


Which scene had you yelling at your TV screen the loudest?
Peter Bradford's ghost appearing to Jeb!

What moment made you cheer the loudest?
Chris getting rid of Bruno!!

Moment in which you most wondered, "What were the writers smoking?"
There were many moments in which I wondered that but the most that comes to mind is when Peter Bradford's ghost returned to haunt Jeb.  Why on earth did they have to squeeze this into the storyline?  Come on already, we've had enough of Peter Bradford!!!

Event or revelation that made you ask, "What were the writers smoking?"
Peter Bradford implying that Jeb was responsible for Vicky's death!!  This really disappointed me because I liked how the Vicky/Peter storyline ended with the two of them finally happy and I would have liked to keep it at that!   I feel the writers spoiled a major part of a story for alot of viewers here, they should have left well enough alone.


Favorite prop?
Naga Box

Favorite special effect?
Elizabeth's dream sequence

Least favorite special effect?
that crazy cut out shadow!

Favorite outfit?
I really liked Elizabeth's black dress.

Ugliest outfit?
Bruno's fur coat

What scene had you closest to tears (because it was so touching)?
Carolyn loosing her father and then standing there at his tombstone in the cemetary.  It was so heartbreaking to see her like this, knowing that she had just found her father and it looked like it was the beginning of a real father/daughter relationship, then all hell broke loose.

What scene had you closest to tears (from laughing)?
Sky running around looking ridiculous with that fire poker!

Moment or event that made your jaw drop the farthest?
Seeing Peter Bradford's ghost haning in David's room!  I said to myself, oh no, not again!

What nagging question were you left with?  (Uh, try to narrow it down,
please. )

There are too many to list.  First of all what happened to Oberon and Haza?  They were appearing to Barnabas whenever they felt he did something that wasn't approved by them, yet Jeb destroys the whole leviathan alter and nothing happens?

Finally, what was your reaction to this storyline?
Well since this was my first time viewing it I have to say that Im pretty glad thats it's over and it will certainly be a long time before I decided to watch this storyline again.


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Re:Best and Worst of 1897
« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2003, 01:39:57 AM »
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Most welcome character (the one you were happiest to see)?
Barnabas...I know, how trite...but I enjoyed having him again 'save' the Collins'.

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Your favorite character in Leviathans, period.
PETOFI!!! Closely followed by Laura

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Favorite duo (non-romantic)?
Barn & Ang...especially regarding Q & Laura

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Favorite romantic pairing?
Petofi & Aristede  >:D (sorry, couldn't resist!)

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Favorite minor character?
Carl Collins

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Most irritating character?
Gregory AND Minerva Trask

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Scene(s) you can watch over and over and over and...?
Minerva Trask's 'haunting' of Judith; scenes with Petofi as David.

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Most wasted opportunity?
Not explaining the whole Quentin haunting/the extra bodies in his room, like why David in 1969?


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Best plot twist?
When/where Angelique makes Dopplegangers for herself & Barn.

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Creepiest moment or event?
Again, Minerva...just quietly sitting there, oh so menacingly towards Judith!!

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Which scene had you yelling at your TV screen the loudest?
SHE'S NOT JOSETTE....JOSETTE IS DEAD...DON'T FOLLOW HER!!

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What moment made you cheer the loudest?
ANY time Angelique had a one-upsmanship on Petofi

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Moment in which you most wondered, "What were the writers smoking?"
The whole thing with Nicholas telling Tim to "Kill...this is the Queen of Spades..."


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Event or revelation that made you ask, "What were the writers smoking?"
Love Nancy Barrett...but the whole Pansy Faye thing became a bit annoying IMHO.

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Favorite quote?
"I'M GONNA DANCE FOR YOU" (I know!)

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Favorite prop?
There are no props except the TELEPHONE. The TELEPHONE IS 1897!!

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Favorite special effect?
Quentin's portrait.

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Least favorite special effect?
ELECTRICITY...AKA THOSE COLORED FLICKERED LIGHTS....AAAHHH!!!

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Favorite outfit?
Can't remember...something Laura wore.

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Ugliest outfit?
Ick...Magdawear!

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Stupidest continuity error (the most horrendous job of retconning in this storyline)?
Again....Josette

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What scene had you closest to tears (because it was so touching)?
When Quentin and David thought they lost love and trust for each other.  :'(

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What scene had you closest to tears (from laughing)?
Anything with Tim Shaw.

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Moment or event that made your jaw drop the farthest?
Where Quentin says, "But I saw Laura die in a fire in Alexandria".

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What nagging question were you left with?
(Uh, try to narrow it down, please. :))...COME ON...what other question is there save....WHAT BECAME OF PETOFI???

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Finally, what was your reaction to the storyline the very first time you watched it?
Enjoyed the Laura arc; hated the 'modern' conveniences (in abundance, in Maine, in 1897!!), actually, hated Petofi first time 'round, (whereas I loved the Josette skitch). Also, I hadn't yet watched earlier eps, so I didn't know about Laura.


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I JUST REALIZED WHAT I DID :-
(not to mention, I didn't know how to quote).

Midnite...go ahead and delete it..... :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2003, 02:10:25 AM »
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


I JUST REALIZED WHAT I DID :-
(not to mention, I didn't know how to quote).

Midnite...go ahead and delete it..... :-[ :-[ :-[

Patti

oh my gosh

Are you sure, Patti?  I fixed your formatting, so you can change your anwers, or I can split the post into a separate topic of "Best and Worst of 1897", or I can still delete it.  You pick. :)

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2003, 01:26:48 PM »
Thanks for fixing it...
[spoiler]lets see if anyone notices ;)[/spoiler]

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2003, 04:39:28 PM »
[spoiler]I noticed, Patti.   :)  ;)[/spoiler]
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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2003, 05:47:10 PM »
Wow! It's been awhile since I did one of these, but you dragged me out, Midnite, go'blessya.  I've been on the "Yay Leviathan" bandwagon with Steve for nearly seven years (oh yes, kiddies, I've been around these forums for a long, long time), so I think this should be fun to do.


Most welcome character (the one you were happiest to see)?  Angelique Rumson!


Your favorite character in Leviathans, period.  See above.

Favorite duo (non-romantic)?  Chris Jennings and Julia Hoffman.

Favorite romantic pairing?  Chris Jennings and Quentin Collins.  No, just kidding.  Um ... Maggie and Quentin, post love spell.  Doesn't really make sense, and they never really elaborated on it again after using it as a plot device to have Amy find out that Maggie is a spy and to later use her to help find Quentin ... well, never mind.  I guess they did use it after all.  Huh.

Favorite minor character?  Mr. Best!

Most irritating character?  Awexandah.  Or maybe Michael.  Or maybe Jeb!

Scene(s) you can watch over and over and over and...?  The entire episode where Angelique runs from Sky's torch (!), flies back to Collinwood, spars with Quentin, taunts Sky, begs for Barnabas' reconciliation, finds him with Maggie, and calls on the Powers of Darkness to put the love whammy on Maggie and Quentin.  Plus it was cool to see that pitchfork again that hadn't made its appearance since 1795.

Most wasted opportunity?  Making Barnabas a true agent of the Leviathans, or at least making his break away from them more believable.  Maybe if he'd been seduced by them or something ... but nope, it's always gotta be about possession with these people.

Best plot twist?  Sky as Leviathan bad guy.

Creepiest moment or event?  The dead sheriff (who's first name, apparently, was "Sheriff") getting noshed on by the werewolf.  I mean, ew.  Really.

Which scene had you yelling at your TV screen the loudest?  Barnabas' dastardly treatment of loyal to a fault Julia.

What moment made you cheer the loudest?  When Angelique used her little statue thingie to throttle Sky into subservience.

Moment in which you most wondered, "What were the writers smoking?"  Sombrero ghost?

Event or revelation that made you ask, "What were the writers smoking?"  Jeb killed Victoria Winters?  Whahfuh?

Favorite quote?  "At the risk of sounding ... banal ... it's a small world, isn't it?"

Favorite prop?  The floppy bat versus Angelique's strangley statue thingie, the one she "casually mentioned liking" to Sky, the big dope.

Favorite special effect?  The green light that always appears in the corner when Angelique materializes (love how she steps out of corners.)

Least favorite special effect?  The shadow.  Oy, the shadow (and we haven't seen the last of it yet, kids, so don't relax just yet!)

Favorite outfit?  Angelique's blue dress she wears to Collinwood, replete with matching leopard print coat.  Watch thoses hips sway-sway-sway!

Ugliest outfit?  Angelique's pink dress.  I'm pretty sure there was a pink dress.  There should NEVER be pink dresses.

Stupidest continuity error (the most horrendous job of retconning in this storyline)?  I think Barnabas is trying to justify to Angelique why she should give up her plot to kill Jeb, and he says it's because he told her about Sky.  Um ... nope, sorry Big B, that was you.

What scene had you closest to tears (because it was so touching)?  Angelique's return to Collinwood.  "I lived her ... loved here ... for a time I was very happy.  This is where it all started, Quentin."

What scene had you closest to tears (from laughing)?  I liked the photo of Paul Stoddard in the coffin.  But like I said, the revelation that Sheriff Davenport's first name is "Sheriff" makes me giggly.

Moment or event that made your jaw drop the farthest?  Nicholas' ghost sitting up out of Nicholas' body.  I thought something cooler could've happened, like maybe his big giant floaty head.

What nagging question were you left with?  (Uh, try to narrow it down, please. )  How many ways are there to kill a Leviathan?  (And what did they put in Bruno's hair???)

Finally, what was your reaction to the storyline the very first time you watched it?  I watched it while painting the interior of my parents' house in the summer of '94 (I was fifteen).  I adored it.  I loved the costumes, the colors, and the fact that there were so many monsters ... we had the werewolf, we had the moon poppy, we had Angelique (looking fantastic everytime we saw her, 'cept for this unfortunate weird braid wrapping thing ... Steve knows what I'm talking about), we had Barnabas the re-re-revampire, we had Audrey, we had goofy weird breathing rhino radiator things, we had ghosts and warlocks and Nelle Gunston with her l'il knife ... I mean, c'mon guys, we had it ALL!  Plus Liz Stoddard tried to kill people.  You can't ask for more than that.

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Re:Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2003, 06:30:12 PM »
Moment in which you most wondered, "What were the writers smoking?"  Sombrero ghost?



Sombrero Ghost  ;D  Loved that line, sweetie. You had me trying not to laugh out loud at the Reference Desk.  :o


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Re: Best and Worst of Leviathans
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2006, 09:36:50 PM »
MOST WELCOME CHARACTER:
The return of Nicholas Blair (as charming and devious as ever!)


FAVORITE CHARACTERS IN LEVIATHANS PERIOD:
Of course Barnabas, even if he was as cold as ice to poor Chris and Julia at the beginning of the story


FAVORITE DUO (NON-ROMANTIC):
Julia and Chris


FAVORITE ROMANTIC PAIRING:
Megan and Philip, all too briefly unfortunately


FAVORITE MINOR CHARACTER:
The lady who Philip bribed to lie to Julia about caring for Michael


MOST IRRITATING CHARACTER:
The Leviathan brats, Alexander and Michael


SCENES YOU CAN WATCH OVER AND OVER AND OVER:
[spoiler]Barnabas dreams about reverting back to being a vampire after refusing Michael's order to kill Julia and
Barnabas finally telling Julia how he came under the Leviathans' power[/spoiler]


MOST WASTED OPPORTUNITY:
Poor Quentin had very little do other than being a sympathetic shoulder to cry on after [spoiler]Amanda was killed off[/spoiler]


BEST PLOT TWIST:
[spoiler]Nicholas and Sky revealed as good friends and co-conspirators with the Leviathans[/spoiler]


CREEPIEST MOMENT OR EVENT:
Again [spoiler]Barnabas' dream about becoming a vampire again and attacking the woman who suddenly appeared out of nowhere and wanted to see the inside of his house.[/spoiler]


WHICH SCENE HAD YOU YELLING AT YOUR TV SCREEN THE LOUDEST:
[spoiler]learning that Jeb had killed Vicki (which I still refuse to accept) when she was supposed to have lived
happily ever after with Peter Bradford (who was supposed to have been hanged for killing Jeb)[/spoiler]


WHICH SCENE MADE YOU CHEER THE LOUDEST:
[spoiler]when Jeb destroyed the Leviathan box at the alter, thus ending the Leviathan spell over the folks at Collinwood[/spoiler]


MOMENT IN WHICH YOU MOST WONDERED "WHAT WERE THE WRITERS SMOKING?":
Same answer to WHICH SCENE HAD YOU YELLING AT YOUR TV SCREEN THE LOUDEST.


FAVORITE QUOTE:
"There's no margin for error, punishment is necessary" (don't know if I got that exactly right, it might have been 'no room') but the way Barnabas kept saying it over and over was downright creepy!


FAVORITE OUTFIT:
Carolyn's whole wardrobe seem to have improved during the Leviathan storyline (and so much for the better)


STUPIDEST CONTINUITY ERROR:
Again, have to go with the answer from WHICH SCENE HAD YOU YELLING AT YOUR TV THE LOUDEST.


WHAT SCENE HAD YOU CLOSEST TO TEARS (TOUCHING]:
[spoiler]When Barnabas wakes up at the Leviathan altar after being attacked by the bat and realizes he has become a vampire again[/spoiler] I really felt so bad for him...he didn't deserve the cruel punishment Jeb had
levelled against him.


WHAT SCENE HAD YOU CLOSEST TO TEARS (LAUGHING):
[spoiler]The scene where Amanda is trapped in the web and the "spider" is coming after her.[/spoiler]


MOMENT OR EVENT MADE YOUR JAW DROP THE FARTHEST?:
Guess.....I already have written the same answer three or four times. ;D


WHAT NAGGING QUESTION WERE YOU LEFT WITH?:
Couldn't they have given Quentin more to do? Will Chris ever find a way to end his curse?


WHAT'S YOUR REACTION TO THE STORYLINE THE FIRST TIME YOU WATCHED IT?:
Since I was a little girl the first time I watched DS, it was kind of confusing, but now as an adult I appreciate the
story a whole lot more.