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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0006
« on: July 05, 2011, 02:27:25 PM »
I've always thought that Collinwood was several miles from the riffraff of Collinsport. I do think it's at the top of the hill, even with the huge lawn. I suppose that if the Collinses could afford to build that great big house, they could probably afford some landscaping too.

And yes, it seems that Vicki's top priority is not governessing but snooping.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0006
« on: July 05, 2011, 12:19:09 AM »
Great observation, MT! It's interesting how so many of the elements that will be so important later are already in place so early. The writing is very good, and probably because it was all done by one person, and he was terrific at it.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0006
« on: July 04, 2011, 09:35:18 PM »
WELCOME, MATTHEW MORGAN!

Or at least Matthew Morgan the First, George Mitchell. He did the best Down East accent of anyone except Thayer David. Again, it's interesting to speculate on how Matthew's character would have developed if Mitchell had stayed on. He does a great job with Matthew's back story--you can almost smell the "stink" of the cannery. I can't help thinking that Vicki is too inquisitive for her own good. But we hear for the first time about how "Miz Stoddard" laid off all the servants just before she hired him--eighteen years ago....

Finally, David meets someone he can't afford to be rude to! Elizabeth has the patience of several saints put together as she tries to reach him. Friends of Roger may be interested to note that the first book in the Rover Boys series was published in 1899! Roger wasn't even a gleam in anyone's eye then! The last one came out in 1926. But it's just typical of how behind the times everything at Collinwood is.

THE LOCKED ROOM! THE LOCKED ROOM!!! And we're only in Episode 6!  [ghost_grin]

And a fashion note: I remember those awful straight-line dresses with the big buttons. Nobody looked good in those.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0005
« on: July 04, 2011, 01:50:37 AM »
DarkLady, I too like Sam's version of the Josette story, and wondered what he had actually heard and what he was embroidering into it.  And to what extent was the part that he heard true, and to what extent was it other people's embroideries or lies?

Interesting point, Lydia! After all, Sam is an artist and probably feels entitled to take artistic license.

I also liked your speculations on Carolyn's father, the sobbing, etc.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0005
« on: July 03, 2011, 01:49:02 PM »
I also liked Mark Allen as Sam Evans. He seems much more philosophical, and it would have been interesting to see that aspect of his character develop. I like the way he tells this earliest version of Josette's story, too.

Carolyn does ironing. Maybe she should do it more often--it seems to make her think more deeply than usual. She must be very lonely indeed to try to find a connection to an orphaned governess. Not that that's a bad thing.  [ghost_wink]

The kitchen! I love the kitchen set!

I forgot what a little brat David is in these earliest episodes. Henesy must have had fun!


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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: July 01, 2011, 04:59:15 PM »
Good point, Gothic. Even though (for whatever reason) she is not the future Mistress of Collinwood herself and everyone seems to regard David as the heir, she must have absorbed some of her mother's management style and methods from observation alone. Maybe Elizabeth offered her the job and she turned it down.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: July 01, 2011, 02:22:14 PM »
Maybe Carolyn was right not to go to college. Diana, Princess of Wales got no further than high school.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0004
« on: July 01, 2011, 12:30:00 AM »
And I almost forgot--as Vicki sits up in bed reading, we have our very first storm at Collinwood!  [ghost_grin]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0004
« on: July 01, 2011, 12:23:27 AM »
I love Carolyn's joke that at the stroke of twelve, her uncle Roger will turn into Dracula!

We have the first (but far from the last) blooper: Elizabeth has trouble opening the drawing-room doors to let Vicki in for her inquisition. But in these early days Vicki actually stands up for herself.

WELCOME DAVID HENESY!

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: June 30, 2011, 05:11:45 PM »
Vicki's pajamas are an interesting fashion note. I'm sure that at the foundling home, the girls were issued very plain, very practical sleepwear, and Vicki probably couldn't afford any new clothes for her new job. I've always been struck by the difference between her humble pajamas and Carolyn's lacy, frilly and obviously expensive nightgowns and robes. 

[spoiler]But later, as our story progresses, Vicki will graduate to romantic-heroine nightgowns herself.[/spoiler]

Carolyn's weird life: Yeah, I'll bet she's hardly ever left Collinsport and graduated from high school by the seat of her pants, in contrast to the much more studious Vicki. That alone would keep Carolyn really immature, besides her sheer inexperience of the wider world. I'm sure nobody ever thought of sending her to college. Interesting that Elizabeth wants to marry her off seemingly right out of high school, but I guess there aren't that many options even for the daughter of the Mistress of Collinwood.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0002
« on: June 30, 2011, 05:02:35 PM »
Ah, I get it--that's the REAL Seaview!  [ghost_cheesy]

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0002
« on: June 30, 2011, 03:14:46 PM »
challenges such as these are daily fare for one with the steel backbone of the Mistress of Collinwood. (!)

And that's exactly what I love about her!

Personally, I think the more rooms the Great House has, the better. I do like the idea of closed-off East and West wings, with the family living in the middle. I don't remember anyone saying there are 65 rooms, but my memory may be faulty.

I doubt Elizabeth ever let anyone else clean the basement and probably reserved that job for herself--while dressed to the nines, of course.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0003
« on: June 29, 2011, 10:07:51 PM »
Weird, certainly, but it's always made me laugh that somewhere in these early episodes, Carolyn describes Roger as "European," which back in those days meant suave and sophisticated.


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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0002
« on: June 29, 2011, 02:49:25 PM »
40 rooms in the house, and there's an east wing and a west wing.  So, maybe, a dozen rooms - six up, six down - per wing and 16 rooms - maybe nine up, seven down - for the main part of the house?  It doesn't seem like so much when you break it down that way.

Honestly, Lydia, until this moment I never gave the actual layout of the Great House any thought! It certainly seems big enough, even with only the main part open and the East and West wings closed. Sixteen rooms would be plenty for Elizabeth, Carolyn and Matthew to keep clean.

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Vicky got the room that Elizabeth slept in until she got married.  Why doesn't Carolyn have it?

Good question. Maybe it isn't on the sunnier side of the house, and I'm sure Carolyn would want lots of light so she could see every detail of her reflection in her mirror.  [ghost_grin] I love how already Elizabeth warns Vicki that the catch on the window doesn't hold very well. And how she says she slept here "until ... until I was married."

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Roger, who in yesterday's episode was telling Elizabeth what a fool she was for bringing a stranger into the house, today turned on the charm for that very stranger - and his charm is indeed charming.

Yes, Roger is extremely charming--when he wants to be. And I'm sure he doesn't turn it on just to be nice.

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Current Talk '11 I / Re: Discuss - Ep #0001
« on: June 29, 2011, 02:41:25 PM »
I think Collinsport was what is called a "hatl" in English train parlance--in other words, you have to make a request (to the engineer or conductor?) for the train to stop there. I suppose now that Burke is so wealthy, he can stop the train wherever he darn well pleases.