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Games / Re: Name that Character!!
« on: July 18, 2007, 04:33:18 PM »
Was the character a member of the family?
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Current Talk '07 II / Re: A Woman Scorned - The Great Angelique/Barnabas/Josette Affair
« on: July 15, 2007, 06:16:16 PM »
I can't agree with Loril's assessment whatsoever. Barnabas was no meal ticket to Angelique. Sure, it was convenient that he had position and money, but remember -- Spoiler:
As for whether Barnabas meant what he said in 1840, he surely did! It was to Julia he first confessed that after all this time, after all they'd been through, he finally realized he loved Angelique. Don't forget, too, that -- Spoiler:
Another point to be made here is, no matter how many times Barnabas tried, he invariably had to turn to Angelique for help with whatever he was doing. Her price, always, was his love -- his return to her. He was loath to do it, but again and again, he'd capitulate. Bottom line for me is, Angelique was always there for him, and he finally realized it. In 1840, Spoiler:
Joshua disinherited Barnabas upon his announcement he would marry Angelique. In fact, even when Joshua tried to pay Angelique off to leave town, quite a substantial amount of money, she turned him down. She did, however, trick Joshua into thinking she would take the money, but she had her reasons for doing that.
As for whether Barnabas meant what he said in 1840, he surely did! It was to Julia he first confessed that after all this time, after all they'd been through, he finally realized he loved Angelique. Don't forget, too, that -- Spoiler:
Angelique actually died before Barnabas told her he loved her. He said it, but she was already dead.
Another point to be made here is, no matter how many times Barnabas tried, he invariably had to turn to Angelique for help with whatever he was doing. Her price, always, was his love -- his return to her. He was loath to do it, but again and again, he'd capitulate. Bottom line for me is, Angelique was always there for him, and he finally realized it. In 1840, Spoiler:
she finally helped Barnabas with absolutely no strings attached. This was irresistible to Barnabas. He could finally see her as the woman she was and not the witch.
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Current Talk '07 II / Re: A Woman Scorned - The Great Angelique/Barnabas/Josette Affair
« on: July 12, 2007, 02:16:51 PM »
I'm with AngeliqueWins on this one. I think Barnabas truly cared for Angelique. Going further, in my opinion, he convinced himself he loved Josette simply because she was the "right" match for him socially, and Angelique was not. In fact, if you think about how completely obsessed he was later on with Josette, it makes even more sense. He was so determined NOT to be wrong about loving Josette, he stuck to it like anyone trapped in a delusion would be.
In that scene where he visits Angelique's room, ostensibly to tell her that there was no hope, the one MB referred to, he obviously can't resist her. He grabs her and lays one on her very passionately. I saw that not just as lust, but as a man really hungry for the woman he truly loved, one who'd missed her desperately. That he tried valiantly to ignore it is true, but he wasn't very successful at that point. This, of course, fueled Angelique's fury even more.
To me, Josette was so wrong for him. She was a bit of an airhead and a pampered, spoiled child. Angelique was every inch a woman and very much his match, IMHO.
In that scene where he visits Angelique's room, ostensibly to tell her that there was no hope, the one MB referred to, he obviously can't resist her. He grabs her and lays one on her very passionately. I saw that not just as lust, but as a man really hungry for the woman he truly loved, one who'd missed her desperately. That he tried valiantly to ignore it is true, but he wasn't very successful at that point. This, of course, fueled Angelique's fury even more.
To me, Josette was so wrong for him. She was a bit of an airhead and a pampered, spoiled child. Angelique was every inch a woman and very much his match, IMHO.
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: the gang in 1795...
« on: July 02, 2007, 03:53:13 PM »
Interesting, arashi! Apparently, the writers didn't do their homework. Then again, as kids, who knew? I just remember agonizing over poor Vicki being framed. I suppose, by then, the writers knew who their audience was and played to that, facts be damned -- LOL!
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: the gang in 1795...
« on: June 29, 2007, 02:51:54 PM »
You're right, MB, about antiquated laws. In fact, there are laws regarding not tying your camel to a lamppost and such nonsense STILL on the books in Midwestern states. There are laws also saying that women can be beaten on the steps of a courthouse by their husbands, but no on Sundays. It goes on and on!
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: the gang in 1795...
« on: June 28, 2007, 07:24:22 PM »
Yes, Brandon -- 1840 was preposterous with that trial. However, the writers took a stab at explaining it, because even Desmond brought up the Consitution. They said some nonsense about the law being outside the Constitution because it was enacted prior to the Revolution, or some such idiocy. It didn't ring true, but it moved the storyline along, or so they thought.
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: the gang in 1795...
« on: June 28, 2007, 02:20:47 PM »
You have a good point, David. Although "official" Puritanism had ended by then, it left its stamp on our society and continues till this day. I find it fascinating, though, because I've always been intrigued by history.
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: the gang in 1795...
« on: June 27, 2007, 09:55:00 PM »
I think it was natural for suspicion to fall on Vicki. First, there were the odd circumstances she showed up in and her "strange" clothes. Second, she kept calling people by other names and seemed to know Barnabas right off the bat. Then, all that misfortune befell the Collinses. Angelique, on the other hand, was a trusted servant of the DuPres family, so she was able to get away with everything she pulled without causing suspicion. However, there was one scene -- SPOILER ALERT!!!!!
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where Abigail suspected Angelique when the family first moves into the "new" house. Jeremiah's ghost was wreaking havoc in one of the rooms, and old Abby thought Angie had done it (which she had).
Too, Vicki did not know when to keep her mouth shut! I mean, what struck me was how stupid she was, telling people about airplanes and telephones! Duh -- and that was BEFORE she admitted she came from the future, which was another mistake. All in all, Vicki didn't use her head, but then again, she "didn't understand!" -- LOL!
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where Abigail suspected Angelique when the family first moves into the "new" house. Jeremiah's ghost was wreaking havoc in one of the rooms, and old Abby thought Angie had done it (which she had).
Too, Vicki did not know when to keep her mouth shut! I mean, what struck me was how stupid she was, telling people about airplanes and telephones! Duh -- and that was BEFORE she admitted she came from the future, which was another mistake. All in all, Vicki didn't use her head, but then again, she "didn't understand!" -- LOL!
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Favorite Episode?
« on: June 22, 2007, 10:33:56 PM »
If I absolutely HAD to pick a favorite, it would be the very first episode. It really set the tone for the entire series, even if it did veer off in a different direction with the introduction of Barnabas and the spotlight off Vicki's parentage.
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: How many times do we see people in casual clothes?
« on: June 22, 2007, 02:00:42 PM »
On the subject of Ohrbach's, I can recall in 1967 when my mother bought me a dress from there. I was thrilled speechless! The thing was plug ugly (in retrospect), but I was wearing a real "DS" dress -- LOL! Too funny!
As for Nicky's smoking jacket, it was different from Barnabas'. Nicky's was a grey silk thing (my, but he was fond of grey). Barn's was green and long, almost like a dress. Nicky's was short.
As for Nicky's smoking jacket, it was different from Barnabas'. Nicky's was a grey silk thing (my, but he was fond of grey). Barn's was green and long, almost like a dress. Nicky's was short.
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: How many times do we see people in casual clothes?
« on: June 16, 2007, 06:12:43 PM »
You're right, Brandon. I always get a kick out of old TV series like "Leave It to Beaver" where June is always dolled up to the nines and Ward hangs around the house in the evenings in his suit. Too funny! I can assure you, though, that did not go on in my household. My 1950's mother was casual at home. However, if she went to the store or out to a restaurant or anything, she got dressed up (well, not so much for the store, but within reason).
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Current Talk '07 I / Re: How many times do we see people in casual clothes?
« on: June 15, 2007, 07:04:36 PM »
Carolyn definitely dressed casually when out with Buzz. I recall her wearing tight black jeans and some kind of sweater, along with black boots, but not sneakers. That was the only time, though. PT1970 Carolyn wore slacks, as I recall, which were brown.
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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: Happy Birthday to Nancy!
« on: June 13, 2007, 07:13:17 PM »
Happy Natal Day! Party, party, party! You deserve it! ![[occasion13]](http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/Smileys/classic/occasion13.gif "Occasion #13")
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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: Jonathan Frid's Ebay store now open
« on: June 12, 2007, 07:47:38 PM »
Those sure would be a huge attraction. Is he going to auction those off, too? Makes me wish I'd win the lottery! Oh, wait -- I wish that anyway -- LOL!
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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: Jonathan Frid's Ebay store now open
« on: June 11, 2007, 02:49:44 PM »
I haven't checked today to see what it's up to, but I remember a few years back, a fan paid over $10,000 at a fest auction for the Barnabas portrait. I was amazed that someone would spend that much, but hey, if it meant that much to her, why not? I'm sure this script will go for more than $1,000, which would help defray the website costs. That would be great!