DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '03 I => Topic started by: Maria_Merriweather on June 16, 2003, 02:08:22 PM
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I'm seeing these eps for the first time. Maggie is very Vicky-like with her long dark hair. I would have liked to see AM in this part--Vicky as mistress of Collinwood even if it had to be PT. Grayson Hall as Hoffman--I like her in this part. She does not rely on the mannerisms (grimaces) so far that I've seen. I like seeing JK as WHL though I like Willie best.
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I was just reading on another PT1970 thread that it's too bad Maggie is portrayed as such a ninny and that she let herself get run out of town. It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Alexandra Moltke for the Maggie role in PT. It would have freed up TLATLKS to do the movie and it would have shown an alternative for Victoria Winters. Oh well... ::)
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It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Alexandra Moltke for the Maggie role in PT.
AM approached DC about returning to the show, but she only wanted to come back if she could play a character with a dark side. DC wouldn't hear of that because he felt she was too identified with sweet Vicki in the viwers' minds. But I think it could have been great if she might have played Carolyn's bitchy, older sister and Liz's daughter in PT. She might have also been Roger's favorite - and just think of the trouble those two might have caused together. But alas...
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But alas...
Hit the nail on the head with that one.
I don't watch so much anymore (read: terrible DS fan), but I've always thought they didn't capitalize enough on the wild possibilites of an alternate universe. It really gave them an opportunity to rewrite the "non-supernatural" history of DS- and as a Vicki fan, I too have thought about roles AM could've played.
...but alas...
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It's too bad they never let Maggie's character regain her original "omph" that she had in the very early days as a waitress but after Barnabas got ahold of her that was it. She did seem to get a little better though during the Leviathan story, especially when she teamed up with Barnabas to try and get rid of Jeb and stop the cause, but now with this new storyline I see she's right back to square one again playing the helpless victim.
It would have been nice to see Vicky play the part also but I guess like others have mentioned, she was tired of playing the helpless victim all the time. I think she could have played a convincing villian if she really wanted to because she did have alot of gumption when she put her mind to it. This became more apparent especially during the Laura/pheonix storyline when she fought to save David from his mother.
BTW, Welcome back Miles-23! It's nice to see you posting again! :)
Cassandra
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I guess I can't say I blame A.M for not wanting to return to the show, I guess it does get tiring after awhile playing the helpless victim over and over again.
They didn't necessarily have to give her a real evil part to play, she didn't have to be as bad as Angelique, just not as innocent and helpless as before.
I feel D.C. should have at least gave her a chance at it, after all look at Prof Stokes and Julia? Who would have thought they could play evil parts when they're characters were first introduced on the show? And yet they play it off nicely.
Deb
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>:D Oh how delicious!! A.M. as a villainess!! That was an opportunity wasted. I want to scream at Maggie's PT wimpy character. Julia's new character reminds me of the ever-present household servant in the old (B/W) horror movies. She does it so well. I have to say that my favorite PT character is Chris Pennock in his dual role. (Coming up)
Misty
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I like MB's idea - Vicki returns as Elizabeth's older daughter from her first marriage, Carolyn's step-sister, and being a real snotty thing. Whereas so many of the PT characters go around and voice their dislike of the dead Angelique pretty much under their breath, the I-don't-take-any-crap Victoria could've been the one who just blurts it out anytime and anywhere, especially if it irks the Angelique lovers like Hoffman, Roger, et. al. The new-and-improved Bitchy Vicky could've made for a real interesting person in the story line. Because she loves to get a rise outta people, basically very few like her. However, she takes to Maggie because she knows Maggie will be a thorn in the side of the pro-Angeliquians, and could've been a good nemisis against Angie, allying with Barnabas. [spoiler]I can even see her having some involvement in the Yaeger story, the one female who scares him.[/spoiler] Oh, the stuff they coulda done!
Gerard
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Gerard, you make the role sound like so much fun I'd have loved to have played it myself!!! Actors always say it's more fun to play bad than good. [vryevl]
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Wooo, Gerard! That's a really hot idea - Vicki the PTAngelique hater. The only woman who can scare Yaeger. Fanfic, anyone?
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It's too bad they couldn't have gotten Alexandra Moltke for the Maggie role in PT.
AM approached DC about returning to the show, but she only wanted to come back if she could play a character with a dark side. DC wouldn't hear of that because he felt she was too identified with sweet Vicki in the viwers' minds. But I think it could have been great if she might have played Carolyn's bitchy, older sister and Liz's daughter in PT. She might have also been Roger's favorite - and just think of the trouble those two might have caused together. But alas...
I agree...I don't think 'soap' viewers back then could've accepted AM as above; now though, your average viewer would revel in it!
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I agree...I don't think 'soap' viewers back then could've accepted AM as above; now though, your average viewer would revel in it!
Im in agreement with you Patti. Im having a hard enough time trying to accept Julia as Hoffman in this storyline. But she does play it off so well. I imagine it could have been the same for Vicky but like you've mentioned the viewers would have a hard time accepting this back then.
Deb
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I agree...I don't think 'soap' viewers back then could've accepted AM as above; now though, your average viewer would revel in it!
Im in agreement with you Patti. Im having a hard enough time trying to accept Julia as Hoffman in this storyline. But she does play it off so well. I imagine it could have been the same for Vicky but like you've mentioned the viewers would have a hard time accepting this back then.
Deb
I was wondering if that's the reason the PTB didn't want Joel Crothers in the Quentin role. He did a great job as Nathan Forbes but maybe the fans at the time didn't like him in that role. Or not. Just a guess.
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Hey gang,
If there had been a PT counterpart of Phillip Todd, do you think that old Phil would still be sporting that groovy hairdo, Mr. Rogers cardigan sweater, and those absolutely God awful, ugly #ss gray plaid pants of his?
Bob the Bartender, who does all of his clothes shopping via the internet with the fine folks from Habands.
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..... do you think that old Phil would still be sporting ..... those absolutely God awful, ugly #ss gray plaid pants of his?
Every kid in my daughter's high school wears those plaid pants....they're PAJAMA BOTTOMS for cryin' out loud!!! ::)
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You know, if the authorities did happen to recover Phillip's body in the water off of Widows' Hill, do you think that Phillip was buried in those same dreadful trousers?
Or, was Phillip laid out in his coffin, wearing that atrocious black suit (Phillip's one and only suit, no doubt!) that he wore to young Michael's "funeral"? That "suit" looked like the same kind of cruddy suit that Mickey Dolenz et al, used to wear on "The Monkees," IMHO.
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Hey gang,
If there had been a PT counterpart of Phillip Todd, do you think that old Phil would still be sporting that groovy hairdo, Mr. Rogers cardigan sweater, and those absolutely God awful, ugly #ss gray plaid pants of his?
Bob the Bartender, who does all of his clothes shopping via the internet with the fine folks from Habands.
Surely, Bob, you had a pair of pants just like those back then - I did! I mean, wearing them made one the envy of the fashion-conscious at Washington Junior High School. Of course, they were not always worn - one did not want to run the risk of wearing them out. It took a great deal of work, and pleading with one's mom when out clothes shopping, to get that oh-so-important groovy look.
Gerard
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I kinda have a feeling that if the authorities did get Philip's body out of the water, his family might not choose to have an open casket viewing. I guess it depends on how fast they get the body out of the water? Drowning isn't kind to bodies.
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I'd like to think that in true soap opera fashion Philip somehow survived his plunge from Widows' Hill, emerged from the water with amnesia and was found and cared for by a Greer Garson type (remember Random Harvest?) They are probably now happily running an antique store in New Hampshire.
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I don't know why Dan was so damn insistant that the audience would never accept Alexandra as anyone BUT the pure, innocent Vicki. I certainly wouldn't have minded seeing her in a villianous role.
And with so much of the cast off to make HODS at this time, bringing back Alexandra during the PT story would have been great......I mean seeing an evil Parallel Time Vicki might just have made the storyline more interesting than it actually was.
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I would daresay that an evil PT Vicki would have DEFINITELY done wonders to make the storyline MUCH MORE interesting while all the others were away to film the movie.
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I don't know why Dan was so damn insistant that the audience would never accept Alexandra as anyone BUT the pure, innocent Vicki. I certainly wouldn't have minded seeing her in a villianous role.
And with so much of the cast off to make HODS at this time, bringing back Alexandra during the PT story would have been great......I mean seeing an evil Parallel Time Vicki might just have made the storyline more interesting than it actually was.
TOTALLY agree! ;)
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I don't know why Dan was so damn insistant that the audience would never accept Alexandra as anyone BUT the pure, innocent Vicki. I certainly wouldn't have minded seeing her in a villianous role.
And with so much of the cast off to make HODS at this time, bringing back Alexandra during the PT story would have been great......I mean seeing an evil Parallel Time Vicki might just have made the storyline more interesting than it actually was.
I'm not sure that teenage Midnite would've accepted it readily. But adult Midnite LOVED what the fan fic Shadows on the Wall (http://members.tripod.com/~MrJuggins/shadows/wall.htm) did in its progression of character transformation of Vicki during the later chapters. :D
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I agree about Victoria being evil in PT Time. It could have boosted the ratings up as well..and the show could have maybe ran a few more years...or perhaps still be going today....
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AM approached DC about returning to the show, but she only wanted to come back if she could play a character with a dark side.
I always thought they should have brought back VICTORIA however to give AM a juicer part made it an evil Victoria, and then slowly revealed her plan to DESTORY THE COLLINS FAMILY MUAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA~~~~~~~~~~ That would be have been fun to see and great change for AM!! And then the Leviathans may have not lead to the cancellation and we could have gotten a few more DS years possibly? Oh the possibilities!! :(