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Title: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: scott on August 31, 2007, 12:44:29 PM
First off, I never saw these as a kid. I was 6 in 1966...I think we started watching in 1968. But I did catch them on the SciFi channel years ago and loved them. How cool to finally have them on DVD!

The first thing that strikes me runs counter to a major DS myth--that the supernatural element only appeared later in the show and at first it was a regular soap. In reality, within just the first 3 eps we already have some pretty heavy hints that Collinwood is haunted ("The House of Usher," "BOO!", "a mausoleum," etc.). Burke also says something along these lines in Ep. 1...anyway, along with the amazing Cobert score, it sure feels like a ghost story early on.

Great hint from Carolyn in #2 about Vicky's possible maternal side: just after calling Collinwood a loony bin, she says to Elizabeth "Vicky's mother must be crazy to let her come her." Hmmmm....

(And Carolyn's rather cringe-inducing desription of Roger..."He sends me!" Wow.....)

Love all the atmospheric location shots. And how thrilling to see the first-ever foyer shot...

One question for those of you who are watching the DVDs: do some shots look as if they've been horizontally compressed? At least in the first 3 eps it seems this is the case. Maybe it was just one camera? In any case it looks like people and objects are taller and skinnier than they really are.

Thanks folks...
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Angelique Wins on August 31, 2007, 03:45:56 PM
Another hint?  Or just going along with the spooky setting...

When Vicki gets off the train (and seeing no taxi), she asks Burke how people are expected to get into Collinsport from the station.  He offers three modes of transportation:  "...broomsticks, unicorns...and chauffeured cars."

They take #3... ;D

Judy
[angl]
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: scott on August 31, 2007, 04:53:25 PM
Ah, right...that was the first hint! >:D

Another hint?  Or just going along with the spooky setting...

When Vicki gets off the train (and seeing no taxi), she asks Burke how people are expected to get into Collinsport from the station.  He offers three modes of transportation:  "...broomsticks, unicorns...and chauffeured cars."

They take #3... ;D
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: PennyDreadful on August 31, 2007, 09:17:15 PM

 Exactly.  Dark Shadows was never like any other daytime serial.  It was unique right off the..um.. bat.  The early shows dripped with cobwebs, atmosphere and potential spooks.  No other daytime serial boasted Joan Bennett or an orchestral terror-film style score.   Sure, we did't get to actually SEE the supernatural for ourselves until a few months in, but the Collinsport locals all knew there was something strange about that house on the hill.

  Frankly, I never even refer to DS as a soap because it's so different from a conventional soap opera in many ways.  It's a serialized thriller of sorts; more akin to a televised version of the Victorian penny dreadfuls (if you'll pardon me) than to the standard daytime soap opera.  The terror elements obviously became more and more pronounced (and frenzied) as the series progressed, but they were there from the start.

~ Penny Dreadful
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Joeytrom on August 31, 2007, 09:28:44 PM
I loved it when Carolyn said that Roger becomes Dracula at midnight!
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Janet the Wicked on September 01, 2007, 01:47:30 AM
And if you want to know where Dan Curtis got his ideas for DS, watch the old classics. Any old classics. "Rebecca" comes to mind, "The Uninvited", and any Universal horror picture ever made - with the exception of "The Creature from the Black Lagoon". I don't see any tie ins there...
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Julianka7 on September 01, 2007, 02:28:27 AM
And if you want to know where Dan Curtis got his ideas for DS, watch the old classics. Any old classics. "Rebecca" comes to mind, "The Uninvited", and any Universal horror picture ever made - with the exception of "The Creature from the Black Lagoon". I don't see any tie ins there...

I'm not so sure Janet. Jeb as the monster sounds very much like The Creature of
the Black Lagoon. lol
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Janet the Wicked on September 01, 2007, 03:30:33 AM
Yeah. Well, we won't go there. EW!
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Brandon Collins on September 01, 2007, 03:25:57 PM
I like the early episodes. I tried to watch them before when they were on SciFi but I just couldn't get into them. Now for some reason it's easier for me to do so. Maybe it's because I want to watch them all.

What I really enjoy about them is that they seem a lot less frenzied than the later episodes. These early eps just mosey along at their own speed. They don't have Julia going "OOOOOHHHHHHH Bar-NA-bas" at the end of every episodes and flailing her arms about. They end just as simply as they started.

Not to mention that the camera work is far more calculated, at least in the first three episodes. The camera angles are just beautiful, and they show Collinwood in an unfamiliar aspect, which, after having seen the other 1000 episodes, is really saying something. The writing is stellar, no problems there. And the black and white of it all just sets the entire thing into another atmosphere, above the general spookiness.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: kuanyin on September 03, 2007, 11:51:55 PM
I just started rewatching these today. I didn't originally watch the show until Barnabas brought it to great popularity, but I had caught them on SciFi several years ago and loved them. I agree the pace, the outdoor shots, so many elements bring a grace not found later on. And you don't get the kitchen or dining area later on, for some reason I adore those sets. I guess it makes Collinwood a home instead of just a grand mansion.

What is REALLY striking me is the superb casting and interplay between the characters. The actors flow right into their parts from the first that they appear. Of course, we all know Joan Bennett WAS a grand lady and couldn't have been any more perfect, she is the consummate professional. But the young girls really are too, it seems a high standard given the taping conditions. Carolyn IS a spoiled brat of a rich girl who is lonely, but trapped there by her love for her mother. Her first scenes with Victoria ring so true. Nancy Barrett, Alexandra Moltke, Joan Bennett and Louis Edmonds all act so seemingly natural. If Alexandra was nervous it disappeared into the character's apprehension and worked beautifully. David Henesy just as much so as the others, and that is remarkable given his age and what I've seen of other child actors that make you spit up in your mouth a little.

This is the only soap opera I ever watched for myself. But I do remember my grandmother watching soaps and it would have been the same time period as the first DS episodes. I remember hokey overacting and even as a child it all seemed stupid and over the top. I'm not getting that here, at least not with the main characters.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: scott on September 06, 2007, 01:12:59 PM
I'm on episode 10 now and am realizing that the constant references to ghosts, goblins, hauntings, etc. are a metaphor for the troubled Collins family AND a suggestion that the house might actually be haunted. I'm loving the psychological complexity of the characters, esp. David and Carolyn...David is amazing. Alexandra Moltke was so beautiful...unconventionally so, thus all the more beautiful. There are relatively few characters at this stage, so everyone has LOTS of dialogue...and yet very few flubs.

Great stuff all around.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 06, 2007, 05:08:14 PM
I got the first volume the other day and I'm on like episode 16. It's very awesome stuff! In fact, I don't own any of the Barnabas episodes. I'm waiting til I've finished collecting the beginnings so I can watch it truly from start to finish.

A question about one of the episodes:

SPOILER:



Liz is playing the piano and Vicky walks in, hears Liz playing the piano. She walks in just in time to see Liz stop playing and slump her head down on the keys. After seeing that, Vicky leaves and goes upstairs. So what just happened there???

Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: scott on September 06, 2007, 05:47:53 PM
Spoiler:
Liz is playing the piano and Vicky walks in, hears Liz playing the piano. She walks in just in time to see Liz stop playing and slump her head down on the keys. After seeing that, Vicky leaves and goes upstairs. So what just happened there???

I think we're getting another example of Elizabeth's depression--her hopelessness and sense of futility. Nicky is embarrassed (or freaked out!) and leaves...good insight into both characters. Good scene...but yeah, it was pretty strange.

Aound ep 10--right at the end, did you notice the door at the top of the stairs (on the left) closing--twice? Was that a mistake or was it a hint--like the broken cup, the knocking, etc.--that Davis is sneaking around?
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Devlin66 on September 06, 2007, 07:36:17 PM
The kitchen scenes were a joy and very well lit to give Roger, Carolyn, David, and  Victoria some much needed brightness.....and the scenes from Burkes Collinsport Inn suite also added some cheeriness to the other sometimes very dark sets. >:D
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 06, 2007, 09:07:38 PM


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I think we're getting another example of Elizabeth's depression--her hopelessness and sense of futility. Nicky is embarrassed (or freaked out!) and leaves...good insight into both characters. Good scene...but yeah, it was pretty strange.

Aound ep 10--right at the end, did you notice the door at the top of the stairs (on the left) closing--twice? Was that a mistake or was it a hint--like the broken cup, the knocking, etc.--that Davis is sneaking around?

That makes a whole lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up. She was also playing a piece by Chopin (one he composed during his depression years) so I should have figured that out. hehe

David really is a troubled child in these episodes--more frightening here than any of the times he was possessed by some ghost or demon IMO. I love these early episodes.

Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: jimbo on September 06, 2007, 10:00:14 PM
The Sci Fi Channel's 9-6-07 review

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/screen/sfw16760.html
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Joy Collins on September 06, 2007, 11:13:20 PM
I'm watching these right now! It's been ages since I've seen these episodes - it's really fun to for everything to be black and white again and to hear "My name is Victoria Winters" at the beginning of every episode.  :D

I love the outdoor shots as well! I really wish they could have continued to do them throughout the series.

These episodes just have a subtle and wonderfully spooky quality about them. And we haven't even seen a ghost yet!

I can't wait for the second set. It is October 30 yet?  :)
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Midnite on September 06, 2007, 11:47:23 PM
Welcome to you, Joy Collins!
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Janet the Wicked on September 07, 2007, 03:00:48 AM
The early episodes are my favorite. I love the location shots - Sam Evans walking the streets of Newport... Miss Vicky on Cliff Walk, Matthew Morgan trimming the hedges...
It doesn't get any better than that.
It seems such a shame that when Quentin came along in the storyline, they didn't do any location shooting. I imagine that Quentin got around quite a bit in Collinsport. Not Tarrytown, even though he was on the east coast, by the way. Hmph!
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 07, 2007, 07:43:15 AM
I'm watching these right now! It's been ages since I've seen these episodes - it's really fun to for everything to be black and white again and to hear "My name is Victoria Winters" at the beginning of every episode.  :D

I love the outdoor shots as well! I really wish they could have continued to do them throughout the series.

These episodes just have a subtle and wonderfully spooky quality about them. And we haven't even seen a ghost yet!

I can't wait for the second set. It is October 30 yet?  :)

I know what you mean! BTW, Oct. 30th is my birthday hehe. :)
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: joe integlia on September 07, 2007, 08:35:32 AM
i noticed the strange camera angles and the horizontal squeeze right away. it is the camera doing that but i dont know if it was done on purpose or not. i notice the same effect much later in the series. i think it is in 1968 roger davis seems unusually tall and thin in some episodes. i think the angles they use (like shooting from the ground up)and that horizontal squeeze really added to the mood of that first episode and it makes joan bennett look so much more elegant for some reason.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: scott on September 07, 2007, 01:29:31 PM
i noticed the strange camera angles and the horizontal squeeze right away. it is the camera doing that but i dont know if it was done on purpose or not. i notice the same effect much later in the series. i think it is in 1968 roger davis seems unusually tall and thin in some episodes. i think the angles they use (like shooting from the ground up)and that horizontal squeeze really added to the mood of that first episode and it makes joan bennett look so much more elegant for some reason.

Thanks for that info...I was hoping it wasn't some compression mistake on the DVD.

Also (off topic)--is there a way to edit posts? I'm the worst typist ever and I noticed I wrote "Nicky" instead of Vicky and "Davis" instead of David previously...ha ha... :o
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Midnite on September 07, 2007, 04:29:12 PM
(off topic)--is there a way to edit posts? I'm the worst typist ever and I noticed I wrote "Nicky" instead of Vicky and "Davis" instead of David previously...ha ha... :o

Once you've submitted the post, it will display on your screen by default and to make any changes you can use the Modify button within the first 120 seconds and every 120 secs. after that.  But if you Preview your message first, you can edit as often as needed before posting.  Hope that helped.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: scott on September 07, 2007, 04:42:50 PM
Once you've submitted the post, it will display on your screen by default and to make any changes you can use the Modify button within the first 120 seconds and every 120 secs. after that.  But if you Preview your message first, you can edit as often as needed before posting.  Hope that helped.

Thanks...I should Preview. But I don't see a  Modify button anywhere??

Edit: OK...now I see it. Sorry about that.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Midnite on September 07, 2007, 05:14:13 PM
You're welcome, scott.

The Sci Fi Channel's 9-6-07 review

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/screen/sfw16760.html

"we also meet the vengeful Burke Devlin (Anthony George), who has returned to town after 10 years away, oozing malevolence from every pore."

Hmm, Anthony George may ooze male chauvinism, but malevolence isn't in his repertoire.  The reviewer should apologize to Mitchell Ryan.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Midnite on September 07, 2007, 09:11:42 PM
The reviewer should apologize to Mitchell Ryan.

Or fix it, which they did.  ;)
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 08, 2007, 02:44:30 AM
I'm really enjoying the early episodes. I don't understand why so many people have a problem with it. It's not nearly such a slow pace as the Soap Opera, Passions. *cringes*
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Joy Collins on September 08, 2007, 05:04:38 PM
Thank you for the welcome, Midnite!

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"we also meet the vengeful Burke Devlin (Anthony George), who has returned to town after 10 years away, oozing malevolence from every pore."

Hmm, Anthony George may ooze male chauvinism, but malevolence isn't in his repertoire.  The reviewer should apologize to Mitchell Ryan.

Mitch Ryan is the definitely the better Burke in my opinion! I didn't like that he became all romantic after Anthony George took over (of course he can't be blamed for that). But, on the other hand, I'm not sure if I can picture Mitch Ryan as Jeremiah. It certainly would have been interesting.  ;)

I love when Mitch Ryan forgets his lines! He has the best bloopers.  [laughing6]
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Patti Feinberg on September 08, 2007, 07:34:17 PM
jimbo, thanks for the link to the Scifi page.

Does anyone know why Scifi is talking about early DS?

Patti
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Midnite on September 08, 2007, 08:51:35 PM
Does anyone know why Scifi is talking about early DS?

Because Vol. 1 of The Beginning eps is now available in stores and Vol. 2 will follow next month.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: michael c on September 10, 2007, 07:23:56 PM
i agree that one of the nice things about these episodes is how because there were so few characters at the begining they all interacted with each other on a daily basis.

later when the cast expands and the storylines become more fragmented the characters interact with only thoses other characters that happen to be involved in that particular plot at the moment.

for instance during the early episodes vicki and carolyn develop an interesting sister type relationship but after 1795 they share very few scenes and that relationship essentially becomes abandoned.most of vicki's scenes are played against jeff.the same thing happens with david(who disappears for much of 1968).she's at collinwood because she's david's governess but after 1795 i don't believe they share one scene ever again.

here everyone interacts with everyone else and i liked that.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Joy Collins on September 11, 2007, 12:14:23 AM
the same thing happens with david(who disappears for much of 1968).she's at collinwood because she's david's governess but after 1795 i don't believe they share one scene ever again.

I know David and Vicki share at least one scene after Betsy Durkin took over the role. It was at the very beginning of the Quentin story, probably only an episode or two before Vicki and Jeff/Peter disappear into the past.

That's the only one I remember off hand. I think Carolyn and Vicki do have at least a few scenes together while "Cassandra" and Nicholas are in the storyline (I just can't seem to remember a specific one, haha...). I also noticed that only a few characters interact with each other laters on - they're in groups sort of. I liked it better when all of the characters all enteracted with each other as well.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: michael c on September 14, 2007, 03:40:23 PM
here's a cute piece of trivia from the "dark shadows.the first year" book...

those of us familiar with these episodes remember how glacially some of the plotting was paced.

the book broke down the first year on a day-to-day basis and it was actually only fifty-two days between victoria's arrival at collinwood and barnabas' release from his coffin...less than eight weeks by the show's calender.

in other words a single "day" on the show sometimes lasted for weeks as the show was paced early on.vicki's first night at collinwood lasted four episodes and her first full,action filled day,lasted a staggering sixteen episodes!

the bleeder-valve car-crash business all occurs on this one "day".i had forgotten how slowly the show moved in the early days.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Gothick on September 14, 2007, 05:53:32 PM
Oh, I remember this well!  I remember being stunned when I realized that Art Wallace was writing the thing in real time, so that with each episode we more or less got another half hour of Vicki's adventrue-filled first night and day at Collinwood.

This is basically why Alex had to wear that damned coat for what seemed like a week...

G.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Joy Collins on September 15, 2007, 12:00:35 AM
here's a cute piece of trivia from the "dark shadows.the first year" book...

those of us familiar with these episodes remember how glacially some of the plotting was paced.

the book broke down the first year on a day-to-day basis and it was actually only fifty-two days between victoria's arrival at collinwood and barnabas' release from his coffin...less than eight weeks by the show's calender.

in other words a single "day" on the show sometimes lasted for weeks as the show was paced early on.vicki's first night at collinwood lasted four episodes and her first full,action filled day,lasted a staggering sixteen episodes!

the bleeder-valve car-crash business all occurs on this one "day".i had forgotten how slowly the show moved in the early days.

I noticed this too!
When my mom and I were watching the Beginning Vol. 1 set (we just finished today) and we got to about the second disc, somebody made a comment about something that happened "last night" - whatever it was happened four or five episodes ago. "Geez, she's only been there one night?!" Days spent at Collinwood certainly are eventful (and long).
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: retzev on September 16, 2007, 04:14:28 AM
Days spent at Collinwood certainly are eventful (and long).

What a great line! Sounds like dialogue straight out of an episode  -

Vicki: "Days spent at Collinwood certainly are eventful."

Caroline: "And long."
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Brandon Collins on September 16, 2007, 04:27:58 PM
I noticed this as well. I'm still on the first disc because I'm watching one episode per day, and tomorrow I'll start the second disc. At any rate, on the first disc, Vicki's first day/night lasted for like the first 5 or 6 episodes. I picked up that the days were being stretched out because Carolyn kept referring to "You're leaving? You just got here last night!" etc. So she arrived, met Burke, met Maggie, went to Collinwood, heard the widows crying, met Sam Evans, met Roger and Elizabeth, and saw David on the stairs all during that first night and the next morning.

She certainly knew how to make the most of her time. lol.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Lydia on September 16, 2007, 05:29:15 PM
I keep thinking of the last 4 lines of Rudyard Kipling's "If":

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!

But I don't think we should assume that Vicky wants to be a Man.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 20, 2007, 10:01:09 PM
52 days since Barnabas' arrival! Wow! I never realized that. The later episodes do seem faster paced. I still think the soap Passions is worse about this though.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Nelson Collins on September 21, 2007, 11:47:43 AM
I too have been noticing how "big sisterly" Victoria has been with Carolyn.  And just how Carolyn tries to hide her own innocence and naivete and fear behind a wall of spoiled rich brat persona.  Sometimes I want to comfort her, sometimes I want to slap the !@#$ out of her. ;D

Vicky I find I like very much.  She seems almost as innocent and naive, but I sense an undercurrent of greater maturity, especially in her dealings with Devlin in these episodes.  It's interesting how the three ingenues interact with Burke:  Maggies gossips and pries for information (partly because of her concern for her pop), Carolyn is the coy flirty minx, but Vicky's dealings with him have always been honest and straightforward (even if his with her have not).  It really is no wonder to me that they ended up together.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Willie Loomis on September 21, 2007, 04:10:22 PM
i was watching from first eppy last night.   i thought the weird camera angles and shots  were representative of maybe a dream that Victoria was having. 

she is more likable in the beginning, so far.  not whiny and little girly like after barnabas. 

also, i note that joan bennet was more animated and dramatic and lest stuttery with her line goofs.    later on she just sat and scowled and seemed to just spew out her lines. 
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Nelson Collins on September 24, 2007, 07:13:33 PM
I've reached the end of Set 2 disc 1 - and met Thayer David's Matthew Morgan for the first time - I literally got goosebumps when Matthew very coldly told Burke he would kill him if he made trouble for "Miz Stoddard."

Just learning how Burke plans to ruin the Collinses - Frankly, I am surprised that Liz (who I thought was very business savvy) would be foolish enough to mortgage most of their holdings with on-demand notes.  That's a disaster waiting to happen, even if she was in a bind due to Roger's foolishness.

Other observations:
Roger is a j-e-r-k
David is creepy
Is it me or is glaringly obvious that Bill is in love with Elizabeth? (and a-yup, poor Bill, I can tell he's about to "join the widows.")
Ned Calder .... Liz, you minx!  >:D

Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Joy Collins on September 26, 2007, 03:16:31 AM
Is it me or is glaringly obvious that Bill is in love with Elizabeth?

I got that impression, too! He's certainly VERY protective of her.
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Nelson Collins on September 26, 2007, 10:33:36 AM
Ooh! Ooh!!!! Just saw "the pen" for the first time!!!!  >:D
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 29, 2007, 05:44:28 PM
hehe which volume does the pen make its first appearance?
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Nelson Collins on September 30, 2007, 04:49:25 PM
hehe which volume does the pen make its first appearance?
Collection 2 Disc 1 Episode 42 - Burke used his pen to write down his lunch order and then presents Carolyn with it.  Sterling silver, he says.  I'd love to find out how I can get one.  [hall2_grin]
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: RachelDrummand on September 30, 2007, 11:45:43 PM
hehe which volume does the pen make its first appearance?
Collection 2 Disc 1 Episode 42 - Burke used his pen to write down his lunch order and then presents Carolyn with it.  Sterling silver, he says.  I'd love to find out how I can get one.  [hall2_grin]

oooh I want one too. :) I remember watching an interview once about the pen 'plot-line' and how everyone kept finding it...Dan Curtis descirbed it as "it kept turning up like a bad penny".
Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Brandon Collins on October 01, 2007, 04:30:00 AM
Maybe someone can email MPI and tell them to make a "PEN" replica, to make it's appearance at the next festival! I bet it would be a sellout!

Title: Re: so, a few thoughts on The Beginning episodes...and SPOILERS
Post by: Julianka7 on October 02, 2007, 01:28:14 AM
Maybe someone can email MPI and tell them to make a "PEN" replica, to make it's appearance at the next festival! I bet it would be a sellout!
I'd buy one. [hall2_wink]