DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '11 I => Topic started by: Nancy on January 27, 2011, 06:26:42 PM
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To what extent, you may ask? Well, stay tuned by checking out Jonathan's website regularly for such updates and other fun things at http://www.jonathanfrid.com
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NFW! WICKED!
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COOL!!!!!!!
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Does this mean JF is going to be in the Depp movie or just consult in some way? Either way...Cool!
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Wow, awesome news!!
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Just saw this in the big movie thread, but thought I'd comment here as well. This is GREAT news. I expected them to ask Mr. Frid. I just wasn't sure if he'd have an interest in participating. Very glad to hear he will be involved in some capacity!
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I'm very happy for Frid. [snow_happy]
And IF Frid has read the script (he may not have yet), I'm also happy for us because that would mean that he approves of it enough to be involved...
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Very happy to hear that Jonathan Frid will participate in this new film in someway.Great news.
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I followed the link to Frid's page from the main movie thread, but thanks Nancy for posting it here! This is definitely awesome news and as MB stated, if Frid's read the script and still wants to be in the film then at least we can assume that the script is quality work and we can feel safe that our beloved DS is heading in the right direction.
Of course, that may all change once we see the finished product.
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This is by far the best news I've heard about the upcoming movie.
if Frid's read the script and still wants to be in the film then at least we can assume that the script is quality work and we can feel safe that our beloved DS is heading in the right direction.
Let's keep our fingers crossed!
A substantial cameo by Mr. Frid would be fantastic ... something tasteful, erudite, perhaps professorial - would be perfect for him. Come to think of it, that could well describe the character of Professor Stokes! Now that would be a plum role for Mr. Frid!
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This is excellent news! I'd love to see JF have a role in the movie. I'd rather not see him as a caretaker person as others have suggested but rather as a member of the legal community. Perhaps as a local judge or applelate judge.
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But the caretaker was the best minor character!
But, I'd love to see Frid play Stokes. Imagine if we got to see a whole lot of Frid in the movie!
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Yes, a Stokes like character for JF is doable IMO. Just thinking of JF being in the movie and my eyes are starting to tear up. I get so emotional just thinking about this sort of thing nowadays!
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if the film starts with the traditional vicki-arriving-in-collinsport-by-train setup frid could play the meddlesome older person on the train(a woman on the series)or hotel clerk mr.wells.
although with the whole "waitress" thing who knows if that's how things will start.
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Oh, good idea, mscbryk!
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Frid could play old man McGruder saying, "You damn kids, stay outta my yard!!".
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Or he could think that noises in his yard are being caused by kids only to find out it's actually Barnabas attacking someone. And, well, we all know what happens to witnesses. [snow_wink]
BTW, I noticed the other day that Frid has taken down the notice of his participation in the film. I suppose he figured anyone interested in knowing had already seen it, but I was still a bit surprised because I thought it might have stayed up until he updated it to say what he'll actually be doing...
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That is strange MB. Maybe the studio wanted to keep his appearance under wraps or something.
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Check out the cryptic message on Frid's website http://www.jonathanfrid.com/diaries.html
It would make sense that the "keep your mouth shut" edict extends to those who may or may not be cast in the film.
nancy
BTW, I noticed the other day that Frid has taken down the notice of his participation in the film. I suppose he figured anyone interested in knowing had already seen it, but I was still a bit surprised because I thought it might have stayed up until he updated it to say what he'll actually be doing...
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Yes, I saw that cryptic message after you alluded to it in the Selby topic. And I agree that it certainly seems like he was referring to the Depp/DS film but can't actually say anything even if he wanted to. ;)
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Which given the secrecy surrounding the film makes sense. Also, Frid never said he was doing a "cameo" though it is being assumed he said that. He didn't identify what his participation would be. It could be many things.
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Also, Frid never said he was doing a "cameo" though it is being assumed he said that. He didn't identify what his participation would be. It could be many things.
Exactly. Entertainment Web sites may not be the only ones jumping to conclusions. ;) Though at least in the case of some of the fans who believe Frid will cameo in the film, it's not entirely their fault because many entertainment sites have reported he will even though Frid has never said as much. Which bring things back to the point that we can't necessarily believe all that we read on these sites.
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LOL @ Robot Quentin. I see you watched that latest interview too. Yeah....
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A couple of people I know on FB are insisting that Frid would never become involved in what they're calling a "slapstick" "insult" to all "true" DS fans. [snow_sad] They are horrified that anyone used the word "funny" to describe anything about the movie (they even deny that the original series had any deliberate humor in it). Makes for weird reading, actually--as if Sarah Palin were a DS fan and a little bit drunk maybe, then opining on the subject. Not saying these ladies are drunk, of course.
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I don't know how anyone could deny that the original DS had deliberate humor in it - especially during the 1897 storyline. I mean, through the years we've cited many examples of it, not just since the Depp/DS film's script has been described as "funny" - and we've enjoyed a good laugh because of all of it. ;) But perhaps those saying that on Facebook somehow managed to miss all those episodes... [idontknow]
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How else are you supposed to react to "are you going to drive me to the Farmer's Almanac?" If that's not funny, then I don't know how to take it. It always cracks me up, as does much of what Quentin has to say in 1897. I like the fact tha Big Finish has picked up on that aspect of his personality and tried to incorporate that wry, sarcastic element into some his dialogue.
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One of my favorite moments is the scene in 1897 that Louis Edmonds described in an interview as being "a scene right out of The Little Foxes" with Judith triumphantly reading the will to her stunned brothers. I love it at the end when Quentin says something like, "Come on, brothers, let's all go upstairs and watch Judith write her first check!" Her death glare and his sarcastic smirk are priceless.
I thought of moments such as this when Eva Green in one of her interviews said that the new movie is going to be "much more focused on the actors." That's a comment that indicates to me that they could actually be on the trail here of something good.
G.
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I thought of moments such as this when Eva Green in one of her interviews said that the new movie is going to be "much more focused on the actors." That's a comment that indicates to me that they could actually be on the trail here of something good.
I had the same sort of reaction to that comment from Eva Green. And it's comments like that one that make me wonder how it can be that some fans are simply focusing on the comments that the Depp/DS film's script will have funny elements to it to the seeming complete exclusion of so many other types of comments being made that definitely make it sound like things are on the right track for Burton & Co. to be making a film that will definitely resemble the DS we know and love. No matter the situation, it's always going to be possible to take one certain type of comment and to be fearful of what it might mean. So that's why every type of comment needs to be considered and considered within the complete context of each other - otherwise one isn't getting the complete picture or taking the complete picture into consideration.
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Maybe they've seen the script. [snow_silly]
But perhaps those saying that on Facebook somehow managed to miss all those episodes... [idontknow]
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Between Depp & Burton's love for the original & Jim Pierson consulting on the project, I'm sure that the film will stay on the right track.
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Glad to find this thread. Yes there is a lot of people saying nasty things about Johnny on FB. And also X'ing out his face and saying JF has pulled out of the film cause he hated it. I love how people make up things that are not confirmed. And it still drives me batty that so many people are hateful towards Johnny. We have a MAJOR star pulling for a the little show that could that we love and people start nasty rumors and cross X's through his face. Very sad.....although I don't know why I am suprised. I am have seen the kooky side of fandom....many times!!!
PS...thanks for the cryptic message Nancy! That is reassuring!
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Not that this has anything to do with the Depp/DS film - but it does go to show that DS fandom isn't the only fandom that has people with possible closed minds and who jump to conclusions before a frame of film is even shot. Though in this case, the studio, director and producer have released statements defending their choices:
'The Hunger Games' Josh Hutcherson and Liam Hemsworth: Lionsgate defends casting (http://blog.zap2it.com/pop2it/2011/04/the-hunger-games-josh-hutcherson-and-liam-hemsworth-lionsgate-defends-casting.html)
Though we'll also recall the brouhaha surrounding Interview with the Vampire, and particularly Tom Cruise's casting as Lestat, with Ann Rice even jumping on the derogatory comments bandwagon before even a frame of film had been shot. However, Ann Rice did a complete 180 once she saw how the film was turning out...
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I remember having a WTF moment when I heard Cruise was to play Lestat. However, when I saw the film, like Rice, I realized I was wrong and he was an inspired choice for the role.
Nancy
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Taeylor, there is something inherently wrong with someone who hates someone or something fictional to the degree you have described. I suppose that's why it doesn't bother me. It's out there behavior and nothing any of us can address to the degree it needs to be.
People have made up stories over the years (opinions parlayed as fact) about why JF does anything. Let's just say it makes for good entertainment most of the time.;)
Nancy
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I remember having a WTF moment when I heard Cruise was to play Lestat.
Though there's a big difference between having a private WTF moment (I think I might have initially had one, too, over Cruise casting [snow_wink]) and running to the Internet to indulge in behavior as irrational as some in The Hunger Games fandom apparently have and what Taeylor is reporting is happening on Facebook with regard to the Depp/DS film. If any of it was happening after the films had been released, at least one could presume whatever is being said/done is being said/done because the people saying/doing it didn't like the finished films. But to display such level outrage and disgust before even a frame of film has been shot goes way beyond jumping the gun. Though at least in the case of DS fandom it could be a case that the same trolls who've ruined a great deal of the discussions that once took place on the Usenet DS Newsgroup could now be attempting to do the same on Facebook. What they're saying and or doing may not even be expressions of their real opinions because their sole aim is to get other fans riled up and to then sit back and have a good laugh about it. And it's no secret that they have a twisted need to try to ruin anything good that could be happening.
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I had not even thought about the trolls who could be nay-saying just to irritate people and get something going.
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I'm surprised because the possibility of it being trolls was the very first thought I had when I heard about what was happening on Facebook. I even made a comment to Midnite that I hoped they weren't trying to ruin DS on Facebook the way they'd ruined the DS Newsgroup.
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I'm just not as with it as I used to be. [snow_rolleyes]
I'm surprised because the possibility of it being trolls was the very first thought I had when I heard about what was happening on Facebook. I even made a comment to Midnite that I hoped they weren't trying to ruin DS on Facebook the way they'd ruined the DS Newsgroup.
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Thanks for the Hunger Games article, MB! I'm a fan of the books and have been very interested in how the movie adaptation is progressing. I had not heard that the male leads had been cast, and I've never even heard of any of these actors, so I can't render an opinion as to whether or not they'd be a good fit for the parts. The woman playing Katniss definitely does not look the way the character is described (and I mention that because physical appearances are somewhat symbolic in the novels), but I suppose that's what wigs and make-up are for. Incidentally, the only role that I did cast in my mind was Haymitch, the wily, crusty old mentor. As I read the books, I kept picturing him as John Karlen! Such a shame he's retired...
I can understand the concerns of the books' fans. It's frustrating when actors in a film adaptation don't match the characters you visualized while reading the book, but then how could any film correspond to the individual images held by millions of different readers? At least I can always go back to the books and see the characters from the page in my own mind if I don't think the movie got them right.
I'm the type of person who hates remakes, but for some reason I don't feel as strongly about film adaptations of written material (e.g. novels, plays, folktales) as I do about remakes of TV shows or movies that had no written predecessor. I don't mind the dozens of versions of Dracula, but when The Mummy and The Wolfman were remade, I was very annoyed. Maybe that's because to me, a fictional character from a novel is like one of Plato's Forms; it has its own pure existence that can be endlessly reinterpreted but never fully captured. On the other hand, a character that originated on the screen has a definite shape, look, and voice. Larry Talbot is Lon Chaney, Jr. Angelique is Lara Parker. Anyone else portraying those characters is an imposter, IMO. For that reason, I have no interest in seeing Depp's DS movie, just as I've never watched the 1991 series nor sat through the 2004 pilot. To me, the show that aired from 1966 to 1971 is the only true "Dark Shadows" and that's what I choose to watch. To each her own.
ProfStokes
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Taeylor - Little show? What do you mean our little show. In it's original run DS had much better ratings than Star Trek and at one point it had better ratings than any show on day time TV! Some even say it saved ABC. Little show indeed.
IMHO the only reason it isn't bigger than Star Trek, Star Wars, Harry Potter and Lord Of The Rings is because it was handled wrong. I'll also say that if this movie is handled right it still can be.
The way I see it Johnny Depp and Tim Burton are the ones that should feel honored.
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The way I see it Johnny Depp and Tim Burton are the ones that should feel honored.
I think they do or they wouldn't be doing this movie. I know vampires have become en vogue at the moment, but I think their heart is in the right place. I think DS is buried in the psyche of those who have forgotten about it for 40 years... My hope is that the "Oh yes, I DO remember that show" thing will have a cascading effect on the populous, but I may be just dreaming again. I'm hoping it will be huge!
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I hope it will be the biggest movie so far, as in break all records.
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I had a WTF moment when I heard that VAL KILMER?? wasa playing Jim Morrison in The DOORS. I wound up thinkng he was robbed at the Oscars. The movie was a disaster in terms of getting the facts straight. I won't go into detail, but I've read many, many bios of Morrison. No one has ever recounted a story about him trying to burn his common law wife Pamela allive for doing heroin!! I had prejudgeed the film based upon the casting. It turned out that was the leasrt of my worries. Batman fans, myself NOT INCLUDED, made the same mistake when he was cast as Bruce Wayne. Again there were other problems with the movie, but Val wasn't one of them.
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i'll never,ever understand this weird competitive stuff with "star trek".
so it's not as "big" as star trek whatever that's supposed to mean. does that somehow negate out experience with the show? [snow_huh]
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Unfortunate choice of words Borgosi. . I guess what I was trying to say is: I was trying to say the show was little, I was thinking in the terms of how I care for it. Like my my friend Misty, I call her my little friend because of my affection for her. It's like a term of endearment. I am probably making no sense whatsoever here but I was trying to say the show wasn't a big thing. I have been in fandom for 20 years and know all the numbers by heart.....I know what the phenomena was all about.
I also mean in a way that DS wasn't One Life To Live or a General Hopstial it was very different! And at first it was the little show that could and it did.
So If I offended you Borgosi...I am sorry....it was just taken wrong. BTW....Johnny and Burton should feel honored and I feel they do feel that way. I think that is why it will be good. However, at the same time I feel honored as well. JMO
I don't talk to the trolls on FB who are doing this I have just heard about it and seen it.
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Taeylor - You didn't offend me. I was kinda joking with you. I sorry if it didn't come across that way.
Part of my problem with this "remake" is that I truely believe the original story is one of the best stories ever put on film. That makes it very hard to do anything that comes close to the original in my mind. To me, thinking of someone playing Barnabas other than Frid, is like the idea that someone could play Karloff or Lugosi. The only thing you could ever get is second best. That said I know that Frid can't play the part. I also know that Martin Landau was almost better at playing Lugosi than Lugosi would have been. I believe with all my heart that with this team, if we don't get one of the greatest films ever made that something really, really bad happened somewhere. This movie should be the closest that we ever get to the perfect film.
I just don't think we should lower our expections. And I know that you weren't.
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It's all good.......:)
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It's interesting that you should bring this up now. I was on YouTube recently and listening to believe it or not Paul Whiteman's Orchestra recordings. I accidently came across this man and his music from the 20's & 30's & beyond. Mostly his rankings are 'likes' but occasionally you get a couple of 'dislikes'. They always want to diminish his accomplishments and keep talking about Bix Biderbeck(sp) who played the clarinet and how great he was (which he was by the way). The comments usually go along with 'yeah, but..Bix...blah, blah,blah'. Whiteman gave a start to many of the great musicians of that era..Dorsey brothersl, Crosby, Mildred Bailey, Berigan etc. It would be hard for me to go to a website and listen to trash talk about DS. [snow_lipsrsealed]