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« Reply #270 on: June 26, 2016, 03:15:53 AM »

That's very cool.  I don't remembering whispering to the person I was sitting next to.  I had forgotten the thing about some stupid exec's vendetta against Grayson.  Expletive deleted!

Oddly I read the same thing a few months ago about Majel Barrett.  I was watching the first season of Original Series Star Trek and I was reading some stuff fans had compiled online.  A couple of the suits really took a personal dislike to Majel and loathed the fact that she played the first mate character in the original pilot.  When she returned in the role of Nurse Chapel in the reboot, the same execs loudly complained that they didn't want to see her in there at all.  Somehow or other, these imbeciles were overruled.

It's way off topic at this point, but an energetic young man at a gathering I attend in Ontario a couple of times each year always calls me "Majel Barrett" whenever he sees me.  He is an art historian and an authority on Egyptology and 19th-20th century British art.  I take this as a high compliment.

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« Reply #271 on: June 26, 2016, 05:50:02 PM »

I don't remembering whispering to the person I was sitting next to.

I whispered about the scenes, too. I was sitting with Midnite and she mentioned what a shame it was that the presentation was being so rushed that Darren wasn't being allowed to explain about each recovered scene, so, given the fact that I'd reread the script before the Fest so that I'd know what sort of stuff to expect in Darren's presentation, I started explaining each recovered scene as it came up. More than a few people around Midnite and I appreciated it.

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I had forgotten the thing about some stupid exec's vendetta against Grayson.  Expletive deleted!

Darren mentions that in quite a few of his pieces about NoDS, and I feel the same about it as you do. Carlotta is one of the best things about the film and I can't even begin to imagine it without her. Not to mention it would be very hard to piece together the entire 1810 backstory if all her stuff was cut. But then, having the film make complete sense was hardly any sort of a priority for James Aubrey! (And it seems like history repeated itself a bit considering that to a lesser degree there was a somewhat similar situation with the WB execs who oversaw the Depp/DS film!  [ghost_sad]  But that's a whole other discussion that we've had in that film's topics...)
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« Reply #272 on: June 26, 2016, 06:32:01 PM »

Picking up Scene 111 after Alex' remark that the day before Quentin wanted to talk about his daydreams:



CONT'D                                         CONT'D   111

                           QUENTIN
                 Now I don't.

                           ALEX
                 Because of last night?

                           QUENTIN
                 Alex...last night, I thought
                 Gerard a burglar.


And that's when the first part of today's quote -

Page 51/Scene 111 - Alex: 'That's all, huh? Then why were you screaming, "She's mine, brother, she's mine."'

- comes up, followed in the script by:

Quentin just stares at him.

And that's when the second part of today's quote -

Page 51/Scene 111 - Alex: 'I think you were living out one of those day dreams...You were Charles, and Gerard was brother Gabriel...and you were fighting over...Angelique.'

- comes up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, at this point we can't compare the script to the film because this scene only appears in the 129 minute version of the film. However, DC has a notation that the camera switches from a 2 shot to a close-up of Quentin after Alex brings up how Quentin was screaming, "She's mine, brother, she's mine." Though, as we've learned from scenes in the shorter versions of the film, we can't necessarily blah, blah, blah, blah.

And when it comes to Quentin screaming, "She's mine, brother, she's mine", interestingly enough we don't hear him scream that in the version of the film as it stands, so it will be interesting if it is in the 129 minute version. One would presume it is, or else Alex' remark from this scene, if it is a part of the scene in the 129 minute version, would make no sense.

And yes, once again in the script daydreams is incorrectly spelled as "day dreams" in one of Alex' lines. How weird is it that it's only misspelled in his lines?
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« Reply #273 on: June 27, 2016, 10:18:07 PM »

Picking up Scene 111 after Alex states his belief that the night before Quentin was Charles, Gerard was Gabriel, and they were fighting over Angelique:

       Quentin shakes his head over Alex's fantasy.

And that's when today's first quote -

Page 51/Scene 111 - Alex: 'Quentin, what were you doing in the tower at two in the morning?'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 51/Scene 111 - Quentin: 'Working.'

- coming up, followed by the script continuing with:

                           ALEX
                 At night?

                           QUENTIN
                 Don't you ever write at night?


And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, at this point we can't compare the script to the film because this scene only appears in the 129 minute version of the film. However, DC has a notations that after Quentin shakes his head, the camera switches to a 2 shot. Though, as we've learned from scenes in the shorter versions of the film, we can't necessarily blah, blah, blah, blah.

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« Reply #274 on: June 29, 2016, 09:22:05 PM »

Continuing with Scene 111, first with yesterday's quote -

Page 51/Scene 111 - Alex: 'Quentin, you're going to laugh at this. I think you're drawn to that room. I think you're being taken over by Angelique.'

- coming up, followed by today's quote -

Page 51/Scene 111 - Quentin: 'You're right. I'm laughing.'

- coming up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, at this point we can't compare the script to the film because blah, blah, blah. However, DC has a notations that after the camera switches to a close-up of Alex at the beginning of his lines, it then switches to a close-up of Quentin after Alex says he thinks Quentin is drawn to the tower room. Though, as we've learned from scenes in the shorter versions of the film, we can't necessarily blah, blah, blah, blah.
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« Reply #275 on: June 30, 2016, 03:29:55 PM »

Special thanks for today's quote.  I have no memory of these lines at all (which is hardly surprising given other lapsus memoriae I have mentioned).  Interesting to learn what Laura's fate was.  "Laura my darling" paid a bitter price for that funeral laughter.

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« Reply #276 on: June 30, 2016, 05:16:40 PM »

Special thanks for today's quote.

Thank Midnite - she picked June's quotes.  [ghost_smiley]

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Interesting to learn what Laura's fate was.  "Laura my darling" paid a bitter price for that funeral laughter.

Not to mention being a voyeur!  [ghost_wink]

However, even before reading the script, given the way the scene with Tracy in the poolhouse plays, I'd always presumed Charles had drowned Laura. But it is nice to see that confirmed in the script. And as much as I hate it that Scene 111 wasn't in the shorter versions of the films, in some ways it's almost better because then the scene with Tracy in the poolhouse comes as more of a shock because we're not anticipating it due to the parts of Scene 111 about Tracy possibly being in danger, which have yet to come up, but will begin shortly...

Although, maybe it really could be a tossup because perhaps the audience would have worried more about Tracy due to their fear that she could be drowned. Who knows? We can never be sure because only having originally seen versions of the film without Scene 111, we can never really know how we might have felt had it been included originally...
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« Reply #277 on: July 01, 2016, 10:02:15 PM »

Picking up Scene 111 after Quentin says he's laughing at Alex' theory about the possibility of him being taken over by Angelique:



111    CONT'D                                         CONT'D    111

And that's when yesterday's quote -

Page 52/Scene 111 - Alex: 'Well don't. Look. The same year Angelique died, Laura drowned and Charles disappeared. The drowning was recorded as an accident. But suppose Charles killed Laura?'

- comes up, followed by the script continuing with:

Quentin looks at him.

                    QUENTIN
          So?


And that's when today's quote -

Page 52/Scene 111 - Alex: 'Quentin, I think Tracy's in danger.'

- comes up.

And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, at this point we can't compare the script to the film because blah, blah, blah. However, DC's notations indicate that the camera would switch to a 2 shot when Alex tells Quentin not to laugh, switch to a close-up of Quentin when he looks at Alex, and switches to a close-up of Alex after Quentin asks "So?" Though, as we've learned from scenes in the shorter versions of the film, we can't necessarily blah, blah, blah, blah.
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« Reply #278 on: July 02, 2016, 08:38:01 PM »

After Alex warns Quentin that he thinks Tracy is in danger, Scene 111 continues with today's quote -

Page 52/Scene 111 - Quentin: 'Are you trying to tell me I could drown Tracy? I'm not going to listen to anymore of this. I am in complete control of myself. Have you mentioned any of this to Tracy?'

- coming up, followed by the script continuing with:

          ALEX
Not yet.


And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, at this point we can't compare the script to the film because blah, blah, blah. However, DC's notations indicate that the camera switches to a close-up of Quentin after Alex tells him his theory that Tracy is in danger and then things shift to a 2 shot after Quentin asks if Alex has mentioned anything to Tracy. Though, as we've learned from scenes in the shorter versions of the film, we can't necessarily blah, blah, blah, blah.
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« Reply #279 on: July 03, 2016, 05:50:02 PM »

Wrapping up Scene 111, beginning with today's quote -

Page 52/Scene 111 - Quentin: 'All right. I'll make a deal with you. You keep your crazy theories to yourself and I'll think about it.'

- coming up, followed by the script concluding the scene with:

          ALEX
Okay.

          QUENTIN
Let's go back to the house.


And when it comes to any differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions, at this point we can't compare the script to the film because blah, blah, blah. However, DC's final notations for the scene are all related to the dialogue. Rather than Quentin saying "All right" at the outset of today's quote, DC's script has that crossed out and replaced with "Wait a minute" - and the end of today's quote is changed to "I'll think about what you said" - and rather than Alex simply saying "Okay", that's crossed out and expanded to "As long as you stay out of the tower."

And coming up in the next post will be Grayson's script's version of Scene 111...
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« Reply #280 on: July 03, 2016, 08:10:10 PM »

It's interesting how Grayson's script's version of Scene 111 is at times very similar to DC's script's version but also different. And in certain instances I actually like bits of the dialogue in the original better than the rewrite. But I'm sure they had their reasons. For one thing, the sections about Tracy being in danger are more heavy handed in the original and, to me, telegraph too much of what's to come, so it was good that those aspects were softened.

So, without further ado, the original version of Scene 111:

111    INT - LIBRARY - DAY                               111

       as Quentin listens to Alex, a look of disbelief on
       his face.

                             ALEX
                 Yes, she disappeared.  Now don't
                 look at me that way.  I got there
                 only seconds after.  And she was
                 gone.  Then the whole place fell
                 on my head.

                             QUENTIN
                 What are you trying to tell me?

                             ALEX
                 I think it was Angelique.

                             QUENTIN
                 OK, come on.  So you saw a girl --

                             ALEX
                 No, man, it's true.  That's why I
                 was coming here -- to tell you what
                 I found out.  Now, obviously, I've
                 become a threat to her.

       Quentin looks at him, just shaking his head.  Alex
       looks at his reference books, puts his hand on them.

                             ALEX
                 Right from your own library --
                 According to these, Angelique
                 Collins was married to a man named
                 Gabriel -- but was really in love
                 with his brother, your favorite
                 painter, Charles.  It broke the
                 family apart.  Any of this familiar
                 to you?

                             QUENTIN
                 Why should it be?

                             ALEX
                 Because of those little scenes of
                 yours.

                             QUENTIN
                 Oh, Alex -- they don't mean a thing.

                             ALEX
                 Yesterday you said you wanted to
                 talk about them.




111    CONTD                                     CONTD   111

                             QUENTIN
                 Well, now I don't.

                             ALEX
                 Why?  Because of last night?

                             QUENTIN
                 Alex -- I told you I just thought
                 Gerard was a burglar.

                             ALEX
                 Then why were you screaming, "She's
                 mine, brother.  She's mine"?

       Quentin just stares at him.  He has no answer.

                 I think you were acting out one
                 of those daydreams.  You were
                 Charles and you thought Gerard
                 was Brother Gabriel.  You were
                 fighting over...

                             QUENTIN
                 Angelique, of course.

                             ALEX
                 Quentin, what were you doing in
                 the tower at two in the morning?

       TRUCK IN ON CLOSE-UP OF QUENTIN.  He hesitates.
       He is not going to tell him about the "dream".

                             QUENTIN
                 I was working.

                             ALEX
                 By candlelight?  You spend a lot
                 of time in that room.

                             QUENTIN
                 What in God's name are you trying
                 to get at?

                             ALEX
                 You're going to laugh at it...but
                 I think you're drawn to that room.
                 I'm afraid you're being taken over
                 by Angelique.

                             QUENTIN
                 You're right.  I am laughing.




111    CONTD                                     CONTD   111

                             ALEX
                 Well, don't.

       TRUCK IN on Quentin.

                 There is no doubt that Charles
                 despised his wife Samantha.  The
                 book says she died of drowning
                 and then he disappeared forever.
                 But suppose he killed her?

       Quentin looks at him as if he is crazy.

                             QUENTIN
                 I guess according to that logic
                 then I'll try to kill Tracy --
                 right?

                             ALEX
                 It's possible.

                             QUENTIN
                 Well -- but I don't despise Tracy.

                             ALEX
                 I think you will -- if you can't
                 keep from going to that room.

                             QUENTIN
                 Alex, have you gone all the way.
                 Now you're telling me I can't stay
                 out of a room.  I have never known
                 you to be so wrong before.  No
                 matter what happened last night,
                 I am in complete control of myself --

                             ALEX
                 Well, if you are, then humor your
                 old buddy and stay away from there.

                             QUENTIN
                 All right, Alex!  Enough!...I'll
                 think about it.  But you do some-
                 thing for me --

       Alex looks at him.

                 Don't give Tracy any of your crazy
                 theories.

                             ALEX
                 You've got a deal.


It's also interesting how "daydreams" is spelled correctly in Alex' dialogue in this version...
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« Reply #281 on: July 04, 2016, 12:16:47 AM »

Earlier I forgot to mention that on page 98 of the DS Companion there's a really nice behind the scenes still from the shooting of Scene 111. It's David Selby, John Karlen, and DC posing on the bridge.

I presume most people own a copy of the book, so that's why I'm not including it in this post. But if anyone has never seen the still, I'd be more than willing to scan/post it.  [ghost_smiley]
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« Reply #282 on: July 04, 2016, 03:46:11 PM »

And now Scene 112 in its entirety:

                                            CUT TO:



112    INT - FOYER - DAY                                112

       A worried Tracy is at the door with Alex.


And that's when today's first quote -

Page 53/Scene 112 - Alex: 'You're right. I'm worried about him. He is changing.'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 53/Scene 112 - Tracy: 'But why?'

- coming up, followed in the script by:

Alex opens the door.

End of scene.

And so far as any possible differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions go, we'll probably never know because this scene doesn't appear in any version of the film. And there aren't any notations in DC's script for this scene.
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« Reply #283 on: July 05, 2016, 07:06:03 PM »

Beginning Scene 113, picking up from Scene 112:

113    EXT - COLLINWOOD - DAY                           113

       They walk TOWARD THE CAMERA.


And that's when the first part of today's first quote -

Page 53/Scene 113 - Alex: 'That's what I'm going to try to find out.'

- comes up, followed by the script continuing with:

    He picks up his bike and then, looking up at the
    Tower Room,


And that's when the second part of today's first quote -

Page 53/Scene 113 - Alex: 'Tracy...have you ever been in that room?'

- comes up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 53/Scene 113 - Tracy: 'No. Why?'

- coming up.

And so far as any possible differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions go, we'll probably never know because this scene doesn't appear in any version of the film. And there aren't any notations in DC's script for this scene.
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« Reply #284 on: July 06, 2016, 06:46:40 PM »

Continuing with Scene 113, beginning with today's first quote -

Page 53/Scene 113 - Alex: 'Because I think some of our answers are there.'

- coming up, followed by today's second quote -

Page 53/Scene 113 - Tracy: 'How could that be?'

- coming up.

And so far as any possible differences in the dialogue, the directions, and the descriptions go, we'll probably never know because this scene doesn't appear in any version of the film.
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