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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Best two-actor combination?
« on: December 28, 2012, 09:33:46 PM »
Watching 1897 recently I grew to love every scene that combined Selby with HAA.  I could watch Quentin and Evan all day without getting bored.  Another great duo was Jonathan Frid and Nancy Barret.

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I assumed the lifeforce transfer would work as it had with Barnabas and Adam; that is, Angelique would be free of the curse while Eve would live as a separate entity.  The downside being, of course, that whatever happened to Eve would effect Angelique, and vice versa.  Still not a fantastic plan, though.

That would have provided a great deal of humor.  Imagine Angelique trying to control and drag Marie Wallace's Eve everywhere with her on the basis that their fates are tied.  I think she pretty soon would have regretted that choice.

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That's an interesting point you make about the similarities between Elizabeth and Miss Havesham.  I'm surprised to find this new film exists, however; a really good tv miniseries (with Gillian Anderson playing that role) was released just last year.  Kind of overkill. 

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 II / Re: New DS movie!
« on: December 11, 2012, 05:54:16 AM »
I love the 1897 elements, this looks hilarious.  Hope I can see it someday.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: A real life Sandor Petofi!
« on: November 20, 2012, 11:44:10 PM »
That's fascinating, I would love to see some of that backstory explored in Dark Shadows.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Sex in the Shadows
« on: November 20, 2012, 01:57:42 AM »
I thought it was hilarious how Maggie called up Joe in the middle of the night to came stay with her, and then had him sleep on the couch!  In one instance, he burst into the bedroom in a fury of passion, [spoiler]only it was Jeff Clark's bedroom, and the two sexually repressed young men wrestled around together before talking about their "dreams." [/spoiler] Strangely, even when Jeff had moved out and supposedly there was thus a spare bedroom, Joe still slept on the couch. 
[spoiler]
Perhaps Joe and Angelique or Barnabas and Charity didn't actually have traditional sex, but they took their vampiric laison to such an erotic place that it might as well have been.  [/spoiler]

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0313
« on: October 16, 2012, 04:10:08 AM »
There are hinges on that secret panel in the mausoleum, where David can get at them.  I'm not sure he could take them apart, because he doesn't have much for tools, but he isn't even trying.  He gets a pass on it because he's just a kid, and besides, it's dark in there.  Or anyway, it should be dark in there.

I took a look at the top hinge.  It's very small.  Does not look at though it could hold up a thick stone panel.  Might hold up a styrofoam panel.

If he took the hinges off, there is a good chance it would collapse in on him.  Living on a homestead as I do, I see things break all the time and need regular maintenance, repair, and vigilance to keep them going.  I have absolutely zero confidence that after two hundred years of varied use (since you have to take into consideration the time traveling back to 1840 and 1897, it's even more intensive by 1970) the mechanism which swings open that cement panel (which must weigh thousands of pounds) would still be in working condition.  Willie would have to go out there all the time to fix it again, and that would be very awkward given the fact that I doubt he understands how it works and people roam around there all the time.  If I didn't have supernatural powers (or a cell phone...) I would never close myself inside that secret room unless all other possible options have already been exhausted.  In reality, the time would come where the panel would jam, and no one would get in or out again.  Barnabas would groan and complain about the costly, long drawn out repairs,  and likely have to bury another person alongside Jason. 

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Calling Collinsport 9-1-1!
« on: September 28, 2012, 11:21:43 PM »
On a few occasions, residents of the Great House talk about going down to the gates, so there must be a fence somewhere, probably one of those very tall metal ones like rows of spears with pointy spikes on the top.

[spoiler]And in 1840PT, the Stokeses live in the gatehouse.[/spoiler]

But it doesn't seem to work, since [spoiler] Aristede, gypsy-assasins, and a whole host of other people just walk onto the estate through the woods all the time.  As I recall, there didn't seem to a proper bordering gate to the property in 1897 when Tim and Rachel escaped, they walked very easily on and off the Collins property to the underground crypt just beyond it.    [/spoiler]  If there is a fence, it probably just extends out by the roadside and then ends, so people can just walk around it.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Calling Collinsport 9-1-1!
« on: September 28, 2012, 10:00:57 PM »
I'm certain that if any poor family living in a shack got lost in the woods of their own backyard every other week, the police would eventually block their number if not outright arrest them.  I've often wondered why the Collins don't seem to have fences, gates, or walls around their property--anyone who wants to is free to just wander onto the property and accost people if (and when) the family decides to walk through the grounds in the middle of the night.  In reality, after the third time you were kidnapped while walking through the woods to and from the Old House, you'd probably decide to drive instead. 

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Logo recently committed themselves to air less gay programming in favor of attracting a mainstream audience, and so will have lots of cheap reruns instead of bothering with continuing it's original gay series.  They used to air six episodes of 'Buffy the vampire slayer' per day, so I imagine they wouldn't mind airing Dark Shadows, but it will not have anything to do with the size of the gay following.

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Current Talk '26 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: September 24, 2012, 05:54:53 AM »
Barnabas could have very easily just hypnotized or bitten him to make [spoiler]Carl forget, or recant what he was telling everyone.  He did it before, it was unneccessary to Kill Carl, and he didn't even bother taking any of the blood so it had little to do with vampirism.  It was just a stupid, clumsy, and ultimately self-destructive act.[/spoiler] Anyway, I still think this is all totally different from killing those kids in the woods....

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Current Talk '26 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: September 24, 2012, 01:52:42 AM »
Killing [spoiler]Carl was one of the most despicable, pointless, and stupid acts that OS Barnabas committed.  However, unlike when DP Barnabas killed a dozen young people who had just been really kind to him, it wasn't played up for laughs, and there were real consequences to killing Carl.[/spoiler] There are only cartoonish and unrealistic threats of consequences in this film.  We also had a long history of OS Barnabas displaying somewhat better behavior, we don't really have that here, it's just cruelty with zero magnetism and poetry. 

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: are the big finish dramas canon?
« on: September 23, 2012, 11:17:30 PM »
No, I don't consider these to be cannon.  The OS actors were not the writers, directors, and producers of the series; an audio drama forty years later that uses their voices is not the same thing in my opinion. 

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Current Talk '26 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Release!!
« on: September 23, 2012, 11:11:08 PM »
I find it very disappointing that this one of those discs which netflix offers (both dvd and bluray) with no special features included.  It doesn't motivate me to buy the retail version so much as to just not bother with netflix.  Which is why (aside from living on a remote island with no movie theatre nearby) I saw the film for the first time ever last night.

Anyway, my first impression of the film was very favorable--I was taken aback by the visuals, and seeing...someone arrive on the train was awesome.  It was also problematic--I understand that she would have a need to change her name, but on such a shallow and last-minute pretext, with no emotion whatsoever?  I liked the pumpkin patch in front of the house, but I didn't like that over manicured lawn that apparently takes the place of the Collins forest that so much of the OS took place in.  I wish there was more of 1770, particularly a scene with Angelique and Josette together, and the hint that there were other Collins's alive back then.   I found the beginning of the film rather funny too, but it just didn't really go anywhere.  The characters were not developed enough--Viki/Maggie was hardly even in the film at all, I don't know when she fell in love with Barnabas, but it was off-camera.  The supposedly big dramatic scenes all felt a little stilted, awkward, like the actors didn't really know what their motivations were or perhaps were advised to keep things on a 'light' note no matter what?  I also didn't like Barnabas very much--his ability to control himself in other situations tells me that he didn't really have to kill that entire group of young hippies and Julia.  I didn't find either instance funny. 

I think if Elizabeth had been standing in the background while Barnabas caught Roger trying to enter the vault, it could have provided an opportunity for a verbal showdown between the siblings like the many compelling ones we saw between Bennet and Edmonds, and could have told us more about who these characters are, their histories, their relationship with each other.  Having Barnabas manhandle Roger and almost take over running the family in the process doesn't really do anything for me.  The actual storytelling is so clumsy, filled with little by-the-way hints (like instead of talking about who Liz's husband was, they have Carolyn open for Alice Coppers song referring to her father with Elizabeth looking stern in response) while so much time is dedicated to horror movie clichés that it's really a waste.  They could have done so much more in two hours.  Would people in the age range of the OS series actors really come to this party/Alice Cooper concert and enjoy themselves back in the 70's?   

Years ago I remember reading an interview in which Burton stated that when he was trying to shop Beetlejuice (his second ever film) to producers they made him change the script, insisting that "there needed to be some action, some romance in the third act..."  He took their advice and has used this as a formula to end almost all of his films since then, with a big chase scene, often a kidnapping and huge dramatic battle with a kiss at the end.  He used it again here; the ending was just terrible.  It almost reminded me of the X-men more then Dark Shadows, a very comic book display of "superpowers" in which I also recognized derivative elements from many other horror films.  Just an excuse for a bunch of CGI.   

So, Angelique killed Laura; why?  What was their relationship?  What kind of person was Laura?  If the film was written differently, these big reveals might have actually meant something, I might care.   I'm not really sure if Josette's ghost actually inhabited her body in the end, or if this was just another one of Maggie's spur-of-the-moment name changes.  I guess the potential sequel will involve Julia rising and forming a rival clan of vampires to fight Barnabas, and Elizabeth will turn against him once she finds out he betrayed her by killing Julia.   I'm sure the rebuilding of the house, recovery of Barnabas treasure and the Collins company will all be given a very easy explanation if there is a next film, which makes it all difficult to actually care about.  Instead of story, it's mostly just trivia, and therefore trivial.

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Well, tragicbat, I have to say that you've changed my mind! Actually, your hypothesis is close to what I thought the very first time I watched this story. Quentin seemed perfectly nice, right up to the moment he carried Maggie over the threshold of the Great House--and then all hell broke loose.

Having an abusive and flagrantly unfaithful spouse would traumatize anybody. Probably the only bright spot in Quentin's first marriage was young Daniel. I'm sure Q's heart was in the right place when he gave Roger and Elizabeth a home at Collinwood and let Will and Carolyn live in the Old House for probably a token rent. He even gave Elizabeth the role of hostess after Angelique's death. But it only made most of them resent his wealth and what they saw as his absolute power over their lives. It's no wonder his closest relationships were with people outside the immediate family--his lawyer-cousin Chris (gone too soon) and his doctor friend Cyrus Longworth.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that off in Europe, with Angelique (apparently) dead and away from all those negative stimuli, Quentin was free to be himself and woo and win Maggie. And I'm sure he thought that bringing her back to Collinwood would make everything better. Instead, things went from bad to worse, as Hoffman started her get-rid-of-Maggie campaign and especially with the return of Angelique. And it really did take Angelique's being really and truly dead, a corpse-littered stage and a burned-down mansion for Quentin and Maggie to find each other again. I always thought it was smart of them to go right back to Europe.

In my earlier post, I did forget to mention the all-too-brief appearance of Paula Laurence as Alexis and Angelique's aunt Hannah.

Yes, that is one way to deal with an albatross-family.  Your post reminds me it must also have been very difficult for Quentin to deal with his in-laws (Hannah and Mr. Stokes) hanging around all the time when Angelique was alive as well.

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