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David Hemmings was one of the more understated iconic male actors of the Sixties.  Two other performances from him that I enjoy are in Barbarella, and in the title role of Alfred the Great, a hard-to-find film that I saw on TV way back in the Seventies and found moody and resonant.

He did a lot of great work--perhaps TCM will do a retrospective on him.

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Attributes of the Witches
« on: December 15, 2003, 04:12:51 PM »
About a week and a half ago, I watched again the marvelous early Sixties British romp "Burn, Witch, Burn!" (UK title:  Night of the Eagle)--currently available on VHS but not, so far as I am aware, DVD.  Anyhow, I had forgotten a couple of key plot devices that were borrowed by the DS writers, notably the scene during the 1795 storyline in which Angelique smokes Vicki out of the Old House with her very own brand of tarot spell (definitely one of those DON'T try this at home moments n DS).  I also recognized a scene from PT 1970 that I think must have been inspired by this film.

As for Angelique, in the early episodes of 1795, there does seem to have been some care on the part of the writers to have her act as a traditional kitchen witch, gathering herbs for her spells, purloining objects that belonged to her victims, etc.  Maybe the point where the writers start to give her some odd powers to move the plot forward comes where she creates her own Servitor in the form of the bat--this is much more in line with a ceremonial magician than a kitchen witch.  Once that bat appears, Angie's metamorphosis into what my friend Nicky and I call "SuperWitch" begins.  up, up and away!

that sexy hexie,

Gothick

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Current Talk '03 II / Angelique in NoDS
« on: December 12, 2003, 10:46:50 PM »
Greetings,

thanks to a friendly tip from Darren and the MB (see NoDS thread), I've been reading the NoDS script published in the DS Movies book back in 1999.

When I first saw NoDS (on the CBS television broadcast around 1973, I think--the movie only played my town for one week, and it was when we were away on a trip), my "read" on the story was that Angelique really was a Witch. Her death certainly could be regarded as an injustice (not to mention being technically illegal--not to put too fine a point on it, in the events depicted in the complete script, she was lynched by a mob consisting of a stump preacher and some deluded local stable boys, under the direction of certain of the local gentry who had a score to settle with the lady).  I was surprised when I began to read online fandom back in the mid 90s to find that many fans' take on it was that Angelique, although a scheming adultress, was technically innocent of Witchcraft.

My current reading of Sam Hall's screenplay reinforces my original impression, that we're meant to understand that Angelique isn't just "witchy," but actually a Witch.  Many of the scenes that clarify her "uncanny" abilities of course fell victim to the cutting room floor.

I hope to go into more detail later on, but am just curious what other fans of NoDS think about the matter.

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:My Favorite Thing about 1841PT
« on: December 11, 2003, 09:14:02 PM »
Thanks, MB, for those wonderful words about Grayson's performance as Julia Collins.  For me, Julia is *the* highlight of PT 1841.

I also agree with Bette about the scenes between Grayson and Karlen.  They are simply wonderful together!  I wish the story had ended with the two characters eloping together.

Least favorite characters--probably a 3 way tie between Catherine, Mama Josette, and Carrie!

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:NODS
« on: December 11, 2003, 06:10:33 PM »
Darren, I'm so sorry about the skeleton discovery sequence--it always seems to be the way with these things...

And MB, thanks for the tip about the Movies book.  I do own that book, but had never bothered to look at the screenplays very closely, since I'd already read the other draft of NoDS, for one.  And looking through hoDS, I'm shocked at the jejune, listless quality of much of the dialogue--the cut scene where Roger, Liz and Barn visit the OH for the first time, for instance.  VERY ho hum.  Makes me wonder just how much time Gordon & Sam had to crank out that script--not much, I gather.

I think I found the "piano scene."  I found a sequence that is a flashback to 1810 (and Lara wears the dress from the photo on the cover of the DS Music book--darn, am I sorry I never purchased that book!), with Parker, Selby, and Diana Millay.  Truly fabulous.  Since all 3 are alive and well, I don't see why we couldn't have a "staging" of that scene with the three reading their dialogue to the recovered footage.

I'll have to continue reading and see whether it was made more clear in this revised script the complicated idea GH explained in her notes about Carlotta not just keep the ghost alive, but actually experiencing Ang's orgasms when she was with Q!  I quite liked that idea... sooo kinky!

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:A DS Milestone
« on: December 10, 2003, 06:49:20 PM »
A definite sign that we're in the Latter Days.

I seem to recall watching that scene somewhat open-mouthed, more or less thinking "did what I think just happened ... happen"?  As you're recall, back in those days we did not have the luxury of rewind, and we didn't have a cassette tape recorder yet in the house--if we had had one, I'm sure I would have been audiotaping DS, as so many did.

(And talking of that, I seem to recall a certain someone once telling me about a certain tape recording in his possession of Grayson Hall's Playtex bra commercial... hmmm, I wonder who that was???)

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:yeah, well, about this montage...
« on: December 10, 2003, 03:37:03 AM »
For those who've been searching for it (I know I have), the Farewell Julia montage is visible on the Testing Page.

Good choice, MB, for one who spent so many of her days... and nights... in a laboratory!!

Beautiful work, as always, and you included several of my favorite scenes!  aren't you the clever one.

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:NODS
« on: December 10, 2003, 02:15:07 AM »
Wow.  Here's hoping Darren decides to include the piano scene next year!  I really need to go back and re-read my copy of the NoDS script...

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:NODS
« on: December 10, 2003, 12:34:36 AM »
Golly, I'll have to go back and look at Darren's site again.  For some reason or other, I thought that the discovery of Charles' skeleton *was* amongst the recovered footage.

I well remember opening the latest issue of Famous Monsters of Filmland back in '71 and seeing a full-page still of that scene in the magazine. Boy, was I puzzled when I finally got to see the movie and there was no sign of that scene!

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Miranda's Playdoh Voodoo Doll Barbie!
« on: December 09, 2003, 08:15:24 PM »
Yes, Parker's performance in that scene was magnificent.  I give her due credit for this, and many other scenes where a lesser thespian would have given way before the absurdity of it all, but Parker turns the scene into something fabulous.

I wish more of today's "actresses" had her powers of concentration.  THAT is where real magic lies.

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Anyone know anything new on WB dark shadows pilot
« on: December 09, 2003, 08:10:28 PM »
Hopefully it will die in development.

But, if it makes the goons at a certain film studio see the light about a restored DVD release of hoDS and NoDS, I'll manage to put up with a few weeks of teen Barn and teen Maggie.  Given the WB's track record, they'll never give the series enough time to build an audience.  Just have a look at what they did with the Tarzan series if you doubt my words.

It was a fiasco on every level--casting, scripting, production--and I believe they barely waited 2 months before pulling the plug.

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Was Joanna Mills a Witch?
« on: December 08, 2003, 08:22:24 PM »
In most traditions, the ghost of a person who has suffered violent death at the hands of another displays unusual powers, particularly if said ghost returns to right the wrong(s) that led to her murder.

I felt that Samantha's story, and the scene on Widow's Hill, revealed WHY Joanna came back and with the form and powers she had, as well as her true nature as--One of the Living Dead!!! (bum bum BUM!)

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 II / Re:Roger Davis Threat Level
« on: December 08, 2003, 05:33:07 PM »
I well recall one DS actress complaining not just about RD being too "grabby" with her when they were running scenes together, but actually knocking her aside from view when they were on camera together!

For him, narcissism is truly an art form.

G.

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Current Talk '03 II / The House
« on: December 08, 2003, 05:28:40 PM »
Oh, good Heavens!  I didn't mean that the fan *legally* owned the rights to "The House"-- I meant that s/he had a tape of it that was scheduled to be shown at a couple of the festivals (so far as I know, this never happened).

Darren, I really hope you can present and speak about your research on the NoDS footage, even though I imagine at this point the thought of that painful topic may seem less than pleasant to you!

Best wishes,

Steve

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Current Talk '03 II / The House
« on: December 06, 2003, 10:32:48 PM »
Hi Wes,

From what I can recall hearing at the time (this was several years ago), the video of the House was the property of a fan.  I think the person in question was unable to attend the Festivals at the last minute so it was never shown.

If I ever hear more info about the program, I will post it here, of course.

Steve

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