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I love Liz's various showdowns with Laura.  The two women have a few excellent, sharply written and directed scenes in which Liz works that vein of icy gentility of which she was a past mistress--"the freeze," Luciaphil calls it in her brilliant commentaries.  And, it's almost as fun watching Vicki be devious and mordant with Laura when Vicki's cottoned on to Laura's game with David.  Great stuff.

Liz's scenes with the Mitchell Ryan Burke Devlin in the 1966 storyline are fabulous stuff, too.  One of the things I love about the Leviathan storyline is the return of the armor-plated matron in the person of LeviaLiz.  I just love the scene where she "welcomes" Willie upon his return to Collinwood.  Bennett and Karlen played that one with brilliant panache.

G.

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I loved Connie's (as yet unfinished, alas) novel in which Quentin and Julia were a couple.  After reading it, I watched their scenes together again and I could definitely see the chem.  Grayson and Selby were very fond of one another (as platonic friends) in RL and I think it shows onscreen.

G.

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Polls Archive / Re: Barnabas or no Barnabas?
« on: October 19, 2006, 04:04:58 PM »
I do urge fans who haven't seen them to check out the original Laura Collins storyline shows from Dec. 1966-March 1967 (and it then segues very neatly into the introduction of Barnabas).  There's such an eerie quality to those shows.  I think if I had seen the part as a child where Liz disturbs Laura while she's casting one of her spells at the fire and we see a dramatic, snap close-up of Laura's death-glare (it showed up here once as a floatie! now THAT was frightening), I would have had horrible nightmares.

In many ways, Laura's story was a dress rehearsal for how they handled both the original Barnabas storyline, and Cassandra's story in the following year.  Cassandra even wound up wearing one of Laura's old dresses!

Even before Laura, though, DS was anything BUT another soap opera.  The only way I could prove this is to upload some episodes from Days of our lives from 1966 to show you.  From the beginning, DS was something very special.  So moody and atmospheric.  I really love the early months of 1966 but it's more character based and the spook moments are very judiciously paced.  (I'm watching an English series from 1979, Sapphire and Steel, right now, and there's this story set in a haunted railway station that really reminds me of the 1966 DS in how it is paced and performed.)

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 18, 2006, 05:29:38 PM »
I've always wondered whether the switch to 1795 occurred because of the costumes that were available for rental for that storyline; although I think Sarah's tombstone always read 1795.

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 18, 2006, 05:16:37 PM »
Jonathan Frid's 1967 letters to his Mother mention that Dan Curtis told him in August or September of that year that they would do a going-back-in-time storyline to show the origins of Barnabas.  Decisiions about major plot points such as this were ALWAYS made by Dan Curtis up until late in the game,perhaps around the Summer of 1970? when Lela Swift started producing the show and she is on record as having come up with a certain notorious plot twist in 1840...

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Moments that made you go "WHAT?!!!!"
« on: October 17, 2006, 09:46:33 PM »
The character's most famous line was variations on "You have BETRAYED me!!" and people don't think he was a drama queen???

*shrugs*  chacun a son gout!

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM »
Ye Gods, I wish that ship had been called the Witchie Queen.

I'm just imagine Grayson trying to say "Barnabas!  Barnabas! It's the... the Witchie Queen!" with a straight face, and totally losing it.  Priceless.

There is a whole narrative set up in the Summer of 1970 sequence that gets trashed once they actually arrive in 1840.  Of course, only one month away from 1795, they had set up a very elaborate narrative for Barnabas, Jeremiah and Josette in the 1830s that never, ever saw the light of day, so it would be unfair to cast particular aspersions on the writers in 1970--the ones in 1967 wandered just as far afield in their embroideries.

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 16, 2006, 11:42:05 PM »
Hi Para,

generally, any effort to make the "facts" of the Dark Shadows narrative fit an internally consistent structure is doomed to failure.  There was really no effort made to establish continuity as the story evolved (or unraveled!), mainly because Dan Curtis was the de facto "head writer" on the show and would change the direction of the plot on a whim (and, if the screenplay writers protested, he'd ask them "Well, are you writing the show or aren't you?  I can get other people to write this show if you're not interested!).  There was also the problem that they were writing it all very much on the fly and they usually didn't have time to go back and check through the voluminous scripts of bygone years (though Sam Hall did keep a set at home).

To answer your questions:

[spoiler]1.  Rose Cottage was identified as "the old Magruder property" in 1970.  I see no reason why it would not still exist in 1971 since Gerard's ghost never haunted the grounds in '70 because of the change of history, so he would never have used magic to burn it as we saw in the Summer of 1970 storyline.  However, bear in mind that sometimes even when the characters went back to change history, some of the events that SHOULD have been changed still happened.  Thus, when they came back to 1969, Liz and Amy and others still had memories of Quentin's ghost haunting the grounds, even though he never died so the haunting should never have happened.

2.  The Stairway in Time was created by the 1840s Quentin Collins (not the same as the 1897/1960s Quentin.  Check out an online document called The Dark Shadows FAQ for further lore about it.  It basically follows the whim of the writers!

3.  Gerard dies at the end of 1840.

4.  Professor Stokes finds out that Collinwood was saved as a result of his, Barnabas, and Julia's actions in 1840, when he returns to 1971 with them.

Overall, the 1840 storyline has more conflicts with pre-existing continuity than any other story--mainly because it came at the end of the show so there was more story around for it to contradict.  I'd say you should feel free to write any story you choose to devise about that plotline.  Nobody could possibly make more of a mess of it than the writers already managed to do on their own! [/spoiler]

Best wishes,

Gothick 

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Calendar Events / Announcements '06 II / Re: Happy Birthday to BuzzH!
« on: October 16, 2006, 03:50:57 PM »
Hey Buzz, have a great time on YOUR special day!  Grab some cool cats and groovy chicks and BUZZ on out to Logansport to a cellar fulla noise.

And, in the words of the Bard, 'If you feel it, SIT IT!"

Birthday cheers,

Steve

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Least favorite Roger Davis character?
« on: October 13, 2006, 07:43:52 PM »
Ned Stuart wins, hands down.

I thought Dirk Wilkins was a character that did work for what Davis could do on a certain level.  The boots helped.  His thesping really went off the cliff after a certain, uh, major life-change for the character *snrk*.  Fun to watch, though. [spoiler]I remember finding it *really* creepy when Dirk was telling the enthralled Judith to come and claim her "reward" for what she had done--the cheesy fangs, crazed look in the heavily mascaraed eyes, and frogmarching phrasing was just so "out there," EVEN for DS![/spoiler]

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Who was upset that DS ended in 1840 PT?
« on: October 11, 2006, 08:29:19 PM »
In the interview audiotape with Grayson Hall from March 1973, she clarified that it wasn't that Frid did not want to play Barnabas anymore, it was that he did not want to be a vampire and have to do "the fanging" onscreen again.

Although I do not know of any published accounts of this, I've seen references in other posts over the years to Frid walking off the set at some point in the Fall of '70 and not coming back until he got certain things in writing from DCP.  I've always thought that one of his demands must have been that he get to play another character besides Barnabas.  I would guess that the germ of the 1841 PT story sprung from this; Curtis may also have been making plans for several of the cast members having to be away for several weeks during the filming of the second movie.  I remember seeing a clipping from a magazine published in Jan. of 1971 introducing Keith Prentice to teen readers and commenting that he had signed a "five year contract" for DS.  Difficult though it seems to believe now, the DS TPTB may have been hoping to have Prentice be the hot new male property on the show.

I watched right up till the end and I recall tuning in every day thinking they would go back to Barnabas and Julia in 1971.  I think a huge number of viewers must have had similar expectations which accounts for why TV Guide published Sam Hall's article in the Fall of '71 giving Sam's version of the fates of the present day characters on the show.  At the time, this was a VERY unusual thing to turn up in the magazine.  I still can't quite recall anything similar.  Maybe fannish outrage over the denouement of the BEAUTY AND THE BEAST series in the 1980s was comparable--that's the only thing that comes to mind; that and, of course, the cancellation of STAR TREK at the end of the Sixties.  But still, TV Guide never ran an article on "here's what happened to Capt. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Lieut. Uhura after the show ended."

G.

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Wow!  the Jay Nass feature sounds pretty spectacular, even if it only clocks in at 9 minutes.

Nice to see that they honored Joan Bennett, as well.

G.

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I'm disappointed he didn't mention RJ Jamison's biography of Grayson Hall and Nancy Barrett's appearance at the launch event held at the Festival.  Also, from what I hear anecdotally, most of those who attend every year are first-timers at the Festival--it's only a small minority of fans that go year after year.

Still, thanks to the DVDs, the show does look better than ever!

G.

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Darn, I had no idea that these prices were for a limited time only.

*grump*

G.

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Games / Re: Collinsport Yellow Pages
« on: October 10, 2006, 09:44:36 PM »
Cassandra Wigs (I've actually seen a shop with this name in whacky old RL).

I can imagine Julia retired from Wyndcliffe in her Sixties opening a Head Shop over which she presides in purple yarn vests with red Chinese chopstickers in her hair.   I mean, with all those sedatives she was practically running a head shop in everything but name out of her bedroom in the Wood.

G.

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