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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 16, 2006, 10:42:05 PM »
Hi Para,

generally, any effort to make the "facts" of the Dark Shadows narrative fit an internally consistent structure is doomed to failure.  There was really no effort made to establish continuity as the story evolved (or unraveled!), mainly because Dan Curtis was the de facto "head writer" on the show and would change the direction of the plot on a whim (and, if the screenplay writers protested, he'd ask them "Well, are you writing the show or aren't you?  I can get other people to write this show if you're not interested!).  There was also the problem that they were writing it all very much on the fly and they usually didn't have time to go back and check through the voluminous scripts of bygone years (though Sam Hall did keep a set at home).

To answer your questions:

[spoiler]1.  Rose Cottage was identified as "the old Magruder property" in 1970.  I see no reason why it would not still exist in 1971 since Gerard's ghost never haunted the grounds in '70 because of the change of history, so he would never have used magic to burn it as we saw in the Summer of 1970 storyline.  However, bear in mind that sometimes even when the characters went back to change history, some of the events that SHOULD have been changed still happened.  Thus, when they came back to 1969, Liz and Amy and others still had memories of Quentin's ghost haunting the grounds, even though he never died so the haunting should never have happened.

2.  The Stairway in Time was created by the 1840s Quentin Collins (not the same as the 1897/1960s Quentin.  Check out an online document called The Dark Shadows FAQ for further lore about it.  It basically follows the whim of the writers!

3.  Gerard dies at the end of 1840.

4.  Professor Stokes finds out that Collinwood was saved as a result of his, Barnabas, and Julia's actions in 1840, when he returns to 1971 with them.

Overall, the 1840 storyline has more conflicts with pre-existing continuity than any other story--mainly because it came at the end of the show so there was more story around for it to contradict.  I'd say you should feel free to write any story you choose to devise about that plotline.  Nobody could possibly make more of a mess of it than the writers already managed to do on their own! [/spoiler]

Best wishes,

Gothick 

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Calendar Events / Announcements '06 II / Re: Happy Birthday to BuzzH!
« on: October 16, 2006, 02:50:57 PM »
Hey Buzz, have a great time on YOUR special day!  Grab some cool cats and groovy chicks and BUZZ on out to Logansport to a cellar fulla noise.

And, in the words of the Bard, 'If you feel it, SIT IT!"

Birthday cheers,

Steve

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Least favorite Roger Davis character?
« on: October 13, 2006, 06:43:52 PM »
Ned Stuart wins, hands down.

I thought Dirk Wilkins was a character that did work for what Davis could do on a certain level.  The boots helped.  His thesping really went off the cliff after a certain, uh, major life-change for the character *snrk*.  Fun to watch, though. [spoiler]I remember finding it *really* creepy when Dirk was telling the enthralled Judith to come and claim her "reward" for what she had done--the cheesy fangs, crazed look in the heavily mascaraed eyes, and frogmarching phrasing was just so "out there," EVEN for DS![/spoiler]

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Who was upset that DS ended in 1840 PT?
« on: October 11, 2006, 07:29:19 PM »
In the interview audiotape with Grayson Hall from March 1973, she clarified that it wasn't that Frid did not want to play Barnabas anymore, it was that he did not want to be a vampire and have to do "the fanging" onscreen again.

Although I do not know of any published accounts of this, I've seen references in other posts over the years to Frid walking off the set at some point in the Fall of '70 and not coming back until he got certain things in writing from DCP.  I've always thought that one of his demands must have been that he get to play another character besides Barnabas.  I would guess that the germ of the 1841 PT story sprung from this; Curtis may also have been making plans for several of the cast members having to be away for several weeks during the filming of the second movie.  I remember seeing a clipping from a magazine published in Jan. of 1971 introducing Keith Prentice to teen readers and commenting that he had signed a "five year contract" for DS.  Difficult though it seems to believe now, the DS TPTB may have been hoping to have Prentice be the hot new male property on the show.

I watched right up till the end and I recall tuning in every day thinking they would go back to Barnabas and Julia in 1971.  I think a huge number of viewers must have had similar expectations which accounts for why TV Guide published Sam Hall's article in the Fall of '71 giving Sam's version of the fates of the present day characters on the show.  At the time, this was a VERY unusual thing to turn up in the magazine.  I still can't quite recall anything similar.  Maybe fannish outrage over the denouement of the BEAUTY AND THE BEAST series in the 1980s was comparable--that's the only thing that comes to mind; that and, of course, the cancellation of STAR TREK at the end of the Sixties.  But still, TV Guide never ran an article on "here's what happened to Capt. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Lieut. Uhura after the show ended."

G.

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Wow!  the Jay Nass feature sounds pretty spectacular, even if it only clocks in at 9 minutes.

Nice to see that they honored Joan Bennett, as well.

G.

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I'm disappointed he didn't mention RJ Jamison's biography of Grayson Hall and Nancy Barrett's appearance at the launch event held at the Festival.  Also, from what I hear anecdotally, most of those who attend every year are first-timers at the Festival--it's only a small minority of fans that go year after year.

Still, thanks to the DVDs, the show does look better than ever!

G.

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Darn, I had no idea that these prices were for a limited time only.

*grump*

G.

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Games / Re: Collinsport Yellow Pages
« on: October 10, 2006, 08:44:36 PM »
Cassandra Wigs (I've actually seen a shop with this name in whacky old RL).

I can imagine Julia retired from Wyndcliffe in her Sixties opening a Head Shop over which she presides in purple yarn vests with red Chinese chopstickers in her hair.   I mean, with all those sedatives she was practically running a head shop in everything but name out of her bedroom in the Wood.

G.

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Those are great shots, Heather!  I love that scene.

G.

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What a fun site!  And how lovely of them to include OUR gal.

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / No Hellman's for Mrs J
« on: October 05, 2006, 02:36:27 PM »
I was completely puzzled by today's appearance of the floating jar of mayo (at first I thought it might be a jar of "Fluff") here on the boards, until I viewed the daily slide show and realized that today is the anniversary of Mrs Johnson's epic roast beef sandwich encounter in the Collinsport Inn.

"Is the mayonnaise FRESH?  I ALWAYS make my own!"

Perhaps tomorrow we'll have the dime with which Mrs J tipped Maggie Evans after her meal.  "There's ten cents for your trouble, my dear.  You've been very kind.  Now don't spend it all in one place!"  KLS is priceless in that scene--and Clarice deserved an Emmy!

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: DS DVD Volume 26 Listed as Best Seller
« on: October 03, 2006, 08:41:21 PM »
Buzz!  Our Libraries are TWINS!  *giggles*

I don't have the original CD of DS 1, though--I have the Rhino reissue with the edited Ron Barry interviews.  Which one had the Selby interview?  I think that was the Varese Sarabande one?

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: DS DVD Volume 26 Listed as Best Seller
« on: October 03, 2006, 08:25:53 PM »
Glorioski!  I somehow missed the announcement that the boxed set of Cobert's DS music is going to be a bloody "members only" item.  Shite!

Glad I checked this thread again, though.  I'd just as soon know. At least I do have all the previously existing releases which must have 99 percent of all the music ever used on the show...

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Why dont people like Adam?
« on: October 02, 2006, 03:30:10 PM »
Warts and all, the Adam and Eve storyline contains many of my absolute favorite episodes of DS.  In particular, the confrontation scenes between Nicholas Blair and Julia are exceptionally well written and brilliantly played.  In one of these scenes Blair actually has the line, "Doctor, I think you've been reading too many gothic novels"--a very large wink from the writers to themselves and it never fails to make me fall about.

There's also all the wonderful stuff with Stokes from this period--again, I love his line on the phone to Carolyn in one high-tension moment:  "Miss Stoddard, are you much given to melodrama?  No, don't answer that; I'll answer it for myself shortly."  Brilliant!

I agree that Adam's scenes in the later part of the storyline become very one-note, whiny, repetitive and dull, but that's no fault of the actor.  I think that every storyline has scenes of this sort.  I personally find the scenes of Vicki's trial in 1795 unwatchably tedious.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '06 II / Re: Happy Birthday to Julia99!
« on: September 30, 2006, 09:13:57 PM »
Happy Birthday darlin'!  May you enjoy the most FABULOUS year ever!

Sorry I only now realized it was your Special Day... I am truly hopeless when it comes to Birthdays!  (just ask any of my friends...)

xo, Steve

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