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Polls Archive / Re: Favorite very brief characters
« on: October 25, 2006, 05:00:32 PM »
Madam Findley is definitely a favorite.  Garth Blackwood makes me laugh, I love how he says "ARRRR!"  I would have thought he would be more popular with today's fans because of all the Pirates insanity around those Johnny Depp films.

I was just compiling (for a friend who wants to show it to a class he's teaching) a selection of clips relating to the use of the I Ching on the series, and I finished it off with Wanda Paisley's memorable I Ching encounter.  I really, REALLY wish Wanda Paisley had become a semi-regular.  I think she would have made a much more interesting "girlfriend" for Quentin than that drip, Amanda Harris.  Men like Quentofi, in the 1890s, tended to have more than one woman in their life anyway; there was the respectable lady friend and then the girl who was around to take care of their, uh, manly needs.

cheers, G.

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Polls Archive / Re: Favorite Chris Pennock role
« on: October 23, 2006, 10:56:28 PM »
The hair, the threads, the tude--the fact that he once said to Barn, a propos Maggie Evans:  "Hey, you DIG her, man!"--Jeb Hawkes, now and forever, will always be my favorite Pennock character.

But ask me what his best performance on the series was, and I'll line up with the others and vote for Gabriel (in RT 1840--the other one was fun as the drunken spoiled brat who went off the cliff, but nowhere near as nuanced a performance).

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: TCM's Osborne Gives HODS a Nice Intro
« on: October 22, 2006, 02:50:07 AM »
Did they run hoDS in letterbox?

I adore Return of the Vampire.  Fabulous film.

G.

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How sad.  I stopped checking it a couple of years ago, but I remember it well.  I remember the delightful surprise back in the Nineties seeing that not only oldtimers like yours truly were enjoying the show, but even "today's people of the Now Generation" as we used to say in the Sixties.

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Homage to DS Horror
« on: October 22, 2006, 02:15:07 AM »
Mysterioso darling, I have just awakened from the dead faint into which I passed when I read that you had NEVER seen The Night of the Demon!

Look for a PM from me at some point.  I'll make a tape of the movie and mail it to you!  It's one of my all time favorite films, and I am sure you will adore it.

I thought the origin (or oblique inspiration, at least) of the Dream Curse was a famous tale by E. F. Benson (author of the Mapp and Lucia novels), "The Room in the Tower."  I presume that Google will reveal that it is available online through the Gutenberg project or some such.  It has the central conceit of a dream that keeps going "one step further" and there are intimations of vamprisim, as well... Most excellent reading for the Season!

cheers, G.

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I love Liz's various showdowns with Laura.  The two women have a few excellent, sharply written and directed scenes in which Liz works that vein of icy gentility of which she was a past mistress--"the freeze," Luciaphil calls it in her brilliant commentaries.  And, it's almost as fun watching Vicki be devious and mordant with Laura when Vicki's cottoned on to Laura's game with David.  Great stuff.

Liz's scenes with the Mitchell Ryan Burke Devlin in the 1966 storyline are fabulous stuff, too.  One of the things I love about the Leviathan storyline is the return of the armor-plated matron in the person of LeviaLiz.  I just love the scene where she "welcomes" Willie upon his return to Collinwood.  Bennett and Karlen played that one with brilliant panache.

G.

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I loved Connie's (as yet unfinished, alas) novel in which Quentin and Julia were a couple.  After reading it, I watched their scenes together again and I could definitely see the chem.  Grayson and Selby were very fond of one another (as platonic friends) in RL and I think it shows onscreen.

G.

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Polls Archive / Re: Barnabas or no Barnabas?
« on: October 19, 2006, 04:04:58 PM »
I do urge fans who haven't seen them to check out the original Laura Collins storyline shows from Dec. 1966-March 1967 (and it then segues very neatly into the introduction of Barnabas).  There's such an eerie quality to those shows.  I think if I had seen the part as a child where Liz disturbs Laura while she's casting one of her spells at the fire and we see a dramatic, snap close-up of Laura's death-glare (it showed up here once as a floatie! now THAT was frightening), I would have had horrible nightmares.

In many ways, Laura's story was a dress rehearsal for how they handled both the original Barnabas storyline, and Cassandra's story in the following year.  Cassandra even wound up wearing one of Laura's old dresses!

Even before Laura, though, DS was anything BUT another soap opera.  The only way I could prove this is to upload some episodes from Days of our lives from 1966 to show you.  From the beginning, DS was something very special.  So moody and atmospheric.  I really love the early months of 1966 but it's more character based and the spook moments are very judiciously paced.  (I'm watching an English series from 1979, Sapphire and Steel, right now, and there's this story set in a haunted railway station that really reminds me of the 1966 DS in how it is paced and performed.)

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 18, 2006, 05:29:38 PM »
I've always wondered whether the switch to 1795 occurred because of the costumes that were available for rental for that storyline; although I think Sarah's tombstone always read 1795.

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 18, 2006, 05:16:37 PM »
Jonathan Frid's 1967 letters to his Mother mention that Dan Curtis told him in August or September of that year that they would do a going-back-in-time storyline to show the origins of Barnabas.  Decisiions about major plot points such as this were ALWAYS made by Dan Curtis up until late in the game,perhaps around the Summer of 1970? when Lela Swift started producing the show and she is on record as having come up with a certain notorious plot twist in 1840...

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Moments that made you go "WHAT?!!!!"
« on: October 17, 2006, 09:46:33 PM »
The character's most famous line was variations on "You have BETRAYED me!!" and people don't think he was a drama queen???

*shrugs*  chacun a son gout!

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:47:11 PM »
Ye Gods, I wish that ship had been called the Witchie Queen.

I'm just imagine Grayson trying to say "Barnabas!  Barnabas! It's the... the Witchie Queen!" with a straight face, and totally losing it.  Priceless.

There is a whole narrative set up in the Summer of 1970 sequence that gets trashed once they actually arrive in 1840.  Of course, only one month away from 1795, they had set up a very elaborate narrative for Barnabas, Jeremiah and Josette in the 1830s that never, ever saw the light of day, so it would be unfair to cast particular aspersions on the writers in 1970--the ones in 1967 wandered just as far afield in their embroideries.

G.

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: 1840 Questions!
« on: October 16, 2006, 11:42:05 PM »
Hi Para,

generally, any effort to make the "facts" of the Dark Shadows narrative fit an internally consistent structure is doomed to failure.  There was really no effort made to establish continuity as the story evolved (or unraveled!), mainly because Dan Curtis was the de facto "head writer" on the show and would change the direction of the plot on a whim (and, if the screenplay writers protested, he'd ask them "Well, are you writing the show or aren't you?  I can get other people to write this show if you're not interested!).  There was also the problem that they were writing it all very much on the fly and they usually didn't have time to go back and check through the voluminous scripts of bygone years (though Sam Hall did keep a set at home).

To answer your questions:

[spoiler]1.  Rose Cottage was identified as "the old Magruder property" in 1970.  I see no reason why it would not still exist in 1971 since Gerard's ghost never haunted the grounds in '70 because of the change of history, so he would never have used magic to burn it as we saw in the Summer of 1970 storyline.  However, bear in mind that sometimes even when the characters went back to change history, some of the events that SHOULD have been changed still happened.  Thus, when they came back to 1969, Liz and Amy and others still had memories of Quentin's ghost haunting the grounds, even though he never died so the haunting should never have happened.

2.  The Stairway in Time was created by the 1840s Quentin Collins (not the same as the 1897/1960s Quentin.  Check out an online document called The Dark Shadows FAQ for further lore about it.  It basically follows the whim of the writers!

3.  Gerard dies at the end of 1840.

4.  Professor Stokes finds out that Collinwood was saved as a result of his, Barnabas, and Julia's actions in 1840, when he returns to 1971 with them.

Overall, the 1840 storyline has more conflicts with pre-existing continuity than any other story--mainly because it came at the end of the show so there was more story around for it to contradict.  I'd say you should feel free to write any story you choose to devise about that plotline.  Nobody could possibly make more of a mess of it than the writers already managed to do on their own! [/spoiler]

Best wishes,

Gothick 

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Calendar Events / Announcements '06 II / Re: Happy Birthday to BuzzH!
« on: October 16, 2006, 03:50:57 PM »
Hey Buzz, have a great time on YOUR special day!  Grab some cool cats and groovy chicks and BUZZ on out to Logansport to a cellar fulla noise.

And, in the words of the Bard, 'If you feel it, SIT IT!"

Birthday cheers,

Steve

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Current Talk '06 II / Re: Least favorite Roger Davis character?
« on: October 13, 2006, 07:43:52 PM »
Ned Stuart wins, hands down.

I thought Dirk Wilkins was a character that did work for what Davis could do on a certain level.  The boots helped.  His thesping really went off the cliff after a certain, uh, major life-change for the character *snrk*.  Fun to watch, though. [spoiler]I remember finding it *really* creepy when Dirk was telling the enthralled Judith to come and claim her "reward" for what she had done--the cheesy fangs, crazed look in the heavily mascaraed eyes, and frogmarching phrasing was just so "out there," EVEN for DS![/spoiler]

G.

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