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Current Talk '07 I / Re: the gang in 1795...
« on: June 27, 2007, 07:28:12 PM »
MSC, I think there's a huge amount of really sloppy writing around Vicki's persecution and trial as a Witch.  I find it nearly impossible to sit through any of Vicki's trial scenes.  I keep reminding myself that people who persecuted Witches tended to be really ignorant and here and now in this supposedly enlightened age we have far too many examples right before us of just how dangerous and vicious ignorant people can be.

There are some wonderful elements to 1795 but IMO Vicki's role in the story is far from being one of them.

G.

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There are beautiful new DVD issues of both VotD and Beyond the VotD.  I enjoyed the latter for the songs and the completely way-out situations and characters.  It was fascinating to learn from the DVD that Roger Ebert is actually PROUD of having written Beyond the VotD--I'd always assumed that he had devoutly hoped that his connection to that movie would be buried in obscurity.  Beyond the VotD also features an appearance by the Strawberry Alarm Clock, whose anthemic song "Incense and Peppermints" was very much a part of the vaguely occult late Sixties groove in which DS became so widely celebrated back in the day.  (Although Beyond ... dates to the early 1970s, the band are seen performing "Incense," a top ten hint in 1967, at a party sequence.)

I guess we now have definitive documentation that the MB does NOT like camp, since he has gone on record dissing both Beyond... AND Myra Breckinridge--two of the campiest movies ever produced!

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Today's Birthday
« on: June 27, 2007, 02:50:19 PM »
Am I completely ga-ga (hardly surprising) or is today our illustrious anniversary when we celebrate Forty-One magnificent, chiaroscuro-laden, horrifying years of Dark Shadows!  It seems to me that it was on this day, June 27, in 1966, when those fateful words "My name is Victoria Winters..." first hit the airwaves.

Here's to Collinwood, to Dan and his dream, to the Great House and All Who Live There... and to us, for keeping it going all these years.

cheers, Gothick

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Well.

Trying really really hard to be tactful here.... I think it is just as well that Dan Curtis never directed ANY version of VotD (it's interesting to note that Jean Simmons played Susan Hayward's role in the early 1980s telefilm remake--I commented to someone that Jean seemed to be stuck doing "remakes on behalf of other dead divas" when she got Joan Bennett's role on the Shadows remake).  I don't think Curtis' skill set (again, trying to be tactful) was in any way suited to the material of Jackie Susann's novel.  Mark Robson was considered a wretched director by those who worked with him on VotD, by the way.  According to Patty Duke's memoirs, Robson was brutal with the actors and had poor Sharon Tate constantly in tears because he treated her as  little more than a talking mannequin throughout the shoot.

I would cast Briscoe as Mel and Crothers as Tony.  I think Grayson would have been better as Tony's sister--the Lee Grant role.  I think it would have been more fun and shocking to have Joan Bennett as Helen Lawson, although Joan might not have wished to violate her gracious public image with a role that had such a "hard inner core."  (I keep my tape of Suspiria just for the dialogue where Joan rants "I want you to kill that American bitch, NOW!")  I think based on Karlen's performance as writer Will Loomis, he would have been great as Ted Casablanca although I would have wanted the role to get more screen time than was the case in the final cut of VotD.  Karlen could work a flamboyant edge.  And to Janet the Wicked, it doesn't impugn an actor's masculinity to say that he can play gay convincingly. Quite the reverse, I would say.  There's a reason why we call it acting, dear.  But I'll stay off my soapbox ... for now.

I've referred to the characters at Collinwood reading VotD the novel more than once in my own fan fiction.  I think it would have been a hoot to have shown the book on Liz's night table in one of her boudoir scenes.  In one of those scenes where Carolyn tries reading to her mother to calm her nerves when Cassandra has been giving her nightmares, it would have been great if she had picked up some thick tome and recited, "You'd have to climb Mount Everest to reach the Valley of the dolls."  I think Nancy would have been SPECTACULAR as Neely.

G.

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MB darling, many thanks for those great photos of Thayer from Peeper!  Another film on my list to track down and see, one of these days...

G.

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Mistress Laura sounds like a kick.  I'd love to hear her show!

G.

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Current Talk '07 I / Re: Nice 1991 Series Article/Analysis
« on: June 14, 2007, 08:28:47 PM »
That's very nice.  I wouldn't agree with the author in giving Angelique's Tarot signifier as the High Priestess card.  In the 1991 version, she is strongly linked IMO to the more traditional versions of the Devil card--a person deep in the shackles of their own lust and greed.  I have also never heard of the High Priestess as a symbol of a person steeped in "shameful" knowledge.  Note that Tarot cards can represent persons of either gender--not just the gender of the figure depicted in the artwork of the specific card.

I realize this is hairsplitting in the eyes of most, but still...

And why does the author call her Josette du "Pris"?

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: Happy Birthday to Nancy!
« on: June 13, 2007, 04:32:23 PM »
Happy Birthday!

Many happy returns!

Steve

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Semi OT: House of Dark Wilde
« on: June 12, 2007, 05:24:22 PM »
Fans, I saw this interesting tidbit regarding the use of the Lockwood-Mathews Mansion (where several sequences of the 1970 feature film house of Dark Shadows were filmed) in a new adaptation of Oscar Wilde's very seldom filmed play, A Woman of No Importance.  I won't rant about my disappointment in the casting of this adaptation (I've waited for something, somewhere since I read it with some friends back in the 70s), although Sean Bean might be interesting as Ld Illingworth.  The story about filming at the Mansion:

According to an article in the Stamford Advocate, there are plans to use The Lockwood-Mathews Mansion Museum in Norwalk (where they filmed the 2004 Stepford Wives), and that they'll start shooting at the end of April for six weeks.

..................

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/local/scn-sa-nor.mansion4mar26,0,493505.story?coll=stam-news-local-headlines

Life is too important to be taken seriously. -Oscar Wilde


G.

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I absolutely agree, MB!  Thayer is the best Nero Wolfe ever.

My heartbreak whenever I watch the film is how healthy and vigorous he seems to be in it. Who knew he would be dead before another year had passed?

G.

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Another YouTube gem.  Thayer's performance as Nero Wolfe is one of my all-time favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHQs8N2pPsw

Enjoy!

Gothick

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Only the first twenty-one weeks were available on video.  It lasted a total of 39 weeks.  The last 13 weeks were by far the weakest.  Nearly all the shows were written by this one New York based writer (his name escapes me, but he later became quite big in New York soaps and I think became a protege of Agnes Nixon's) who just didn't have the right feel for the characters or the situations.

G.

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Ron Sproat only did a few weeks of SP, I believe.  But once Bob Costello arrived, around week 8, they added daily opening voiceovers that really gave the show a DS feel.  (For the last couple of months, the daily voiceovers were dropped.)

After week 13, the action shifted away from Maljardin ("Island of Evil") to Desmond Hall in Desmondton (which was supposed to be in the US, somewhere).  One of the characters even made a pilgrimage to Harvard University!

G.

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MB, the woman who played Cal actually reminded me of Lisa Richards in Sabrina's more "out there" moments.  Since Richards obviously developed considerable chops (or at least became very widely employed after her work on DS), it's possible that this other actress also went on to better things.

Tudi Wiggins did indeed play Erica Desmond on SP.  In a subsequent storyline, she played another character, Helena Raleigh, and in true DS fashion, people kept mistaking Helena or actually ACCUSING her of really being Erica. It's a hoot!

We lost Tudi last year, as I think David posted.  I believe cancer was to blame.

G.

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Thanks for that tip!

G.

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