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With regards to Iman as Angelique--I think having a dark skinned actress of whatever background play the character would help make a genuine new departure in a new DS.  I liked Alec Newman as Barnabas precisely because he was physically different from Frid and carried himself in the role very differently which made it possible to look at the new telling of the story with genuinely fresh eyes.

It's all truly academic at this point because the whole thing could be put on a shelf for the next five years, or at least that's my impression given what I have read so far...

G.

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I hate that whole "vampire patriarch" thing but it seems so very characteristic of meta-media in our times.  To quote the immortal Lucy van Pelt, BLEAH!

My greatest hope at the moment is that this will give a definitive green light for WB to produce a lavish, RESTORED edition of the two films--if it's not too late at this point.  I had the impression that a Hallowe'en release for the discs had been mooted but perhaps with the Depp film being given a go, they'll be more interested in marketing a higher-quality product to tie in with the ramp-up to what I'm sure they fondly hope will be the next "Pirates of the Caribbean."  Let the schlock roll on... (although, I will see that if they get Tim Burton on board, there's just a chance that the project could produce something worthy of the Shadows heritage--judging from Burton's work on Sleepy Hollow.)

G.

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Many thanks for all those wonderful wishes! I'm deeply touched.

Best wishes to all,

Gothick

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Greetings fans!

I was in a Joan Bennett mood just now and found this clip on YouTube--it was posted several months ago but seems not to have been noted here in this forum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtUSW1Y2tTI

As I wrote in my comment, Joan exudes the kind of dignity and quiet sense of elegance that still make her one-of-a-kind.  It's almost painful to contrast Joan's sense of style and grace with the antics of today's "celebrities."

G.

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Convicted "Witches" in the US were never burned; they were supposed to be hanged.  In the Salem hysteria two people died from "pressing," a form of interrogation under torture that is realistically re-created in the classic 1970 telefilm Crowhaven Farm (which I highly recommend to all DS fans).

I've never heard of decapitation, the punishment meted out to Judah Zachery in the DS 1840 storyline, being used as a form of capital punishment in the US.  I believe that death by decapitation was reserved for people commited of crimes of treason and sedition under old English law (hence Mary Queen of Scots, etc.).

Anyhow, I agree with Brandon Collins that the point of 1795 was for Victoria to witness the events of Barnabas' death and then return.  Presumably, she could not return until the moment of the death of Phyllis Wicke whose place she took when she was catapulted back through time.

G.

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My condolences to you and your family at this time of bereavement.  May your memories of her in happier times bring you comfort and consolation.

Best wishes

Steve

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Arashi, this is a really great exposition of the emotional/sexual dynamics involved in the Angelique/Barnabas/Josette triangle.  Excellent work!

I think it is interesting to compare the pre-1795 version of Barnabas' romance with Josette with the way the relationship is depicted as we see the events unfolding during 1795 and then how it plays out afterwards.  When I finally got to see all the original 1967 Barnabas episodes in order, I remember being very disconcerted by just how creepy Barnabas' obsessive need for Josette seemed.  There's a scene soon after Maggie has taken up "residence" in the OH where she's been dolled up in Josie drag and Barn is grinning like the cat that copped the cream and ranting on and on about how she will be his very own living Josette doll come to life again... it gives me gooseflesh to watch.  I actually find it one of the most disturbing things they ever did on DS--perhaps THE most disturbing.  I find it much more unsettling than the Cyrus/Maggie kidnapping scenario later on in 1970 even though by the time of the latter story they could be somewhat more sexually explicit (but only somewhat).  The ruthlessness with which Barn pursues erasing Maggie's own identity and substituting a weirdly distilled simulacrum of Josette's own personality is very creepy.

Thinking about the series as a whole, Josette comes across almost as a blank-check character to me.  I'd never thought about this before, but I guess the energy of KLS' own personality in the various forms and manifestations of the character helped give her a phantasmal unity that otherwise isn't really there.  How do you reconcile the original version of Josette as a kind of spectral guardian of the Collins family with the image we get from Barnabas' own distorted memories (I do love the scene late in 1967 where Julia forces Barnabas to admit that Josette in real life never did return his love, even though this was almost immediately changed with the 1795 "flashback"), and then subsequent "incarnations" in later storylines?  Will the real Josette Collins please stand up?

cheers, G.

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Hi Adamsgirl,

Spoiler:
My interrpetation of that scene where Joshua offered Angelique the cash to get outta town was very different from how you saw it.  I thought she had every intention of getting as far away from C'port once she had taken care of her business in the Eagle Hill Cemetery.

Her arrival in the Secret Room just in time for Barnabas' rising was really classic Angelique.  As dear Nicholas pointed out on more than one occasion, she really could be unbelievably incompetent at getting a simple job done.  Just my two drachmae.


I've been re-watching some of the 1840 shows where the writers sort of play with a Julia/Barnabas/Angelique triangle.  It's kind of too bad that they did this at a time when the plot was lurching literally from pillar to post, so the character moments are quick and sometimes sketchy, and I still can't take Angelique's "reform" very seriously.  But it's all we've got and it's a treat to revisit some of these scenes again.

G.

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I've always thought one of the most illuminating moments Angelique had in her dealings with Barnabas was when, during a crisis in 1968, she blurted out to him:  "You've never cared what I was feeling or thinking!" I think that was a moment of truth for her.

I really don't care for the end of 1840 at all, particularly given Angelique's actions in her initial entrance in that storyline.  I just find it taxes even my abilities to suspend disbelief with respect to DS.  I also think that it robs the story of a great deal of its tragic punch.  Just my own opinion--I do grok why the more romantically inclined Barn/Ang 'shippers love the idea of it.

cheers, G.

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Unfortunately they never did a flashback showing us the circumstances of Barnabas' original liaison with Angelique.  (And it's a pity they didn't, because I'm sure Frid and Parker would have blown the roof off the studio in such a scene!)  So, it's up to the viewer to interpret the various things that Barnabas and Angelique say to one another--and to other characters--about their trysts in Martinique.

In evaluating those various scenes, I for one bear in mind that Barnabas showed himself to be a master in the fine art of rationalization when it came to his own needs, while Angelique already seemed old in the arts of cunning when we first see her as an apparently demure lady's maid in 1795.  So, I pretty much find it impossible to take ANYTHING that either of them says about the situation of their original affair at face value.

For what it's worth, my interpretation is that Barnabas used Angelique for physical gratification, as so many of his peers did with other servants in 18th century genteel society.  Judging from things she says to Ben fairly early on in 1795 about intending to get for herself EVERYTHING that Mam'selle Josette has, I view Angelique as having been amibitious from the start (I would hesitate to call her a gold-digger, though) and seeing a way into upward social mobility through matrimony with Barnabas.

One also needs to bear in mind that folk ethics around pre-marital sex were probably a LOT more fluid in tropical Martinique than was the case in Maine.

Again, just speaking for myself, I don't think Barnabas ever really "cared" for Angelique, although in that initial scene in 1795 you can see him trying to be somewhat gracious with her, initially.  He doesn't really get rude until it becomes clear that she is not taking "no" for an answer.  As for Angelique, I would describe her attachment to Barnabas as obsession--not love. I see a lot of it, particularly the original 1795 narrative, as being about her injured pride and her need for the validation of higher status in genteel society, than about the pure affections of her sweetly adoring heart.   I'll leave it at that because we've already gone over all of this a million times in the past.

G.

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Oh, and I'm sure I'm not the only fan here who would love to hear the story of just how Jonathan Frid came to have his old Barnabas coffin in his basement...

G.

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I've never seen anything like that hoDS poster either.  I wonder whether it was part of a standee that would have been a lobby display; the other part, which presumably he discarded, would have had the title, slogans, etc. on it.

The monochrome Barnabas poster looks like something that would have been produced by the Philly Gum co. (whatever their actual name was) that produced the gum cards.  That's the picture that you could make by piecing the cards together on your bedroom floor (I did that many a rainy afternoon...).  I think the same poster used to be sold in the back of Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '07 II / Re: Please help me with airdates of reruns
« on: July 10, 2007, 03:21:44 PM »
I was living in Harford County, Maryland, in the mid 70s, and I was inexpressibly THRILLED when Channel 48 out of Philly began running DS in syndication, I think at 11 p.m. weeknights, in late 1975 or Jan. 1976.

I was moving around a lot in those years but I believe that Ch. 48 was still running the show ten years later, in '86.  I believe that shortly thereafter they stopped showing it.

Best, G.

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Thanks, Joe, that's very sweet.  I always dreamed of some day getting to take Lisa Richards out to dinner to hear her remembrances of Grayson.  Kathy Resch printed a short snippet in TWODS years ago from Lisa indicating that she not only admired Grayson greatly, but was very fond of her.  I don't know whether they had the chance to get together occasionally whenever Grayson would make her annual trips out to "the coast" to do this or that show.

Is Lynn Chris's current spouse?  (I guess we're not supposed to discuss the actors' private lives here, though.)

That story about the moon poppy is priceless!

Best, Steve

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Calendar Events / Announcements '07 I / Re: Some FridArt...
« on: June 29, 2007, 04:18:38 PM »
Wow, what Gothic grandeur!  I just love it!

I'm just now catching up with this... I hadn't noticed your name and thought it was for one of the Frid fan sites that always crashes my browser whenever I attempt to access it.

Onwards and upwards!  This makes me feel intrigued by how a portrait of Thayer David in his Professor Stokes role would look using this software...

G.

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