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How very cool!  He mentions Sir Graves Ghastly, as well.  Sir Graves had a fabulous website that I visited a couple of years ago...

G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 07, 2008, 03:49:15 PM »
Having re-watched a couple of the episodes in question over the weekend--
[spoiler]The scene of Jenny's death played exactly as I remembered it.  Quentin disarmed her, then pushed her down on the bed and squeezed the life's breath right out of her, his face a mask of murderous rage, while Beth screamed and wept and begged him to stop.  She died with her eyes still open, staring in horror at what was happening (unfortunately, probably due to awkwardness in manoeuvring around a rather tight sight, we didn't get a very artistic shot of Marie's face with eyes glaring sightllessly upwards at the end.

However, in a subsequent scene with Edward, both Beth and Quentin describe what happened as an "accident."  Since I have not seen the script, I've never known whether it was written to be played as if Quentin was just trying to make sure she had really been disarmed and "acciidentally" strangled her to death, or whether it was the director and David Selby's decision to play it as if Quentin was in a state of coldly murderous rage, bordering on bestial (an interesting choice of words given the curse that falls on hiim shortly thereafter).

Also, although I had not remembered it, some weeks later, when Magda has been ordered by Angelique to fetch Quentin, Quentin and Magda have a scene in which Quentin does express how much he loved Jenny and hints at feeling something like remorse for her death.  It's a short scene but the two of them play it beautifully (I think David and Grayson had great onscreen chem--they did a play together later in the Seventies, too).

One final comment--I really love the sequence of Quentin's nightmare of being forced by Magda and Sandor to bless Jenny's dead body.  I love the staging, the accompaniment by what might have been a live-on-set quiet bongo, the feel of something you could have seen in a New York off-off B'way production of the period.  Grand stuff.

[/spoiler]

G.

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This is just adorable!  I hope Jonathan Frid gets to see that picture.

cheers,  G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 02, 2008, 10:57:28 PM »
I can definitely understand why Quentin, and David Selby, became such a huge hit in '69-'70.  The original Quentin Collins stooryline put the character through his very own Greek tragedy.  He went from charming, ruthless rogue, to scheming lothariio, to money-hungry black magician, to bawling, traumatized victim, all within a couple of months.  The actor simply radiated emotional energy in the role--in every way this was a bravura performance. 

After 1897 he never was given such wonderful material to work with again, although a montage of Quentin/Desmond scenes run at a Festival at which Selby and John Karlen shared a stage did show how beautifully both men played off one another in the otherwise somewhat lacklustre 1840 storyline.

Just some thoughts--I'm sure other fans will have their own opinions.  I'm not a "Psycho for Selby," but I did enjoy the shots of his fine derriere in the movie The Girl in Blue (added for purposes of full disclosure--of course!).  And I've talked to him a couple of times about Grayson and found him to be that rarissime in today's world--a gentleman.

G.

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I saw some of this movie on television in my early teen years and am eager to see it again, being a huge fan of Gerry Anderson's UFO series.

G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 02, 2008, 10:36:55 PM »
Well, again, I do plan to revisit those episodes shortly, but from what I recall, [spoiler] I don't see how anyone could describe it as an "accident."  For that to wash for me, he would have had to show some remorse after the fact, or come to Beth in a horrendous state (as he very believably did in the early episodes when he was starting to experience the curse) crying "what did I do?  what happened?"  (Even so, I could imagine faking such remorse for the typical reason why men deceive their women--to get Beth sympathetic enough to let Q back into her bed.  Not that that ever seems to have presented a serious difficulty for him.)

No, as I recall it, after Jenny's death he was all "good riddance to bad rubbish."  Until Magda came after him and he realized she meant business, of course.[/spoiler]

G.

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First, to Magnus--Magda and Sandor got to live at the Old House because Magda had wormed her way into Grandma-mamma's graces as her "spiritual advisor."  The OH was regarded by the rest of the family as a wreck, since it had been abandoned after the deaths of Barnabas and Angelique.  While it is made crystal clear that Judith and Edward, in particular, despise the Gypsys (or Rom, to use one of the words more preferred by the Romanii diasporic peoples today) and Judith orders them off the estate immediately after Grandma-mamma's death, we get to see firsthand some of their ingenuity in staying put--plus, of course, dear cousin Barnabas is involved at this point.

I can't remember what I thought of her as a child (beyond always admiring the elegance and grace with which Joan Bennett invariably comported herself--to me, she WAS aristocracy), but as an adult, I do feel sympathy for Judith.  When we start to see her more devious side in the "LIttle Foxes" stuff, it adds extra layers of nuance to what is already a very complex character.  When she becomes the victim of Greggie-puss Trask, again our perception of her switches and I do feel particular sympathy for her in those straits.  Even if her own residual bigotry and intolerance were the weaknesses that made her such ideal prey for Trask.

Her return, and the denouement of her story, are just magnificent.  I'm really looking forward to watching these scenes again on the DVDs.  Despite all the endless whining and complianing about the final month or so of 1897, Judith's story in that period always has me riveted to my seat.

G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 02, 2008, 05:14:09 PM »
Hi Garth,

Well, I haven't had the chance yet to watch that particular episode again, but from what I remember, the scene was played [spoiler]as if Q could have chosen to disarm Jenny and leave it at that.  The way he and Marie played the scene, however, it seemed clear that he murdered her in cold blood.  That's how I remember it, anyway. 

From what I can recall, the scripts don't give us any insight into the backstory of Quentin's love with Jenny.  The only signs of remorse I can recall come when Q realizes that Jenny had had a son and daughter by him.  And even then, his remorse was for how his actions had resulted in the death of his baby son.  Truly tragic.  A lot of the writing for Q in the original 1897 storyline really plays on the ancient Greek notion of a "fatal flaw."[/spoiler]

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Quentin and Jenny
« on: May 02, 2008, 04:22:21 PM »
Fans,

My copy of the 14th DVD set arrived last night, and despite my busy schedule, I was able to test-drive the first two discs in the set, watch some favorite scenes (gotta love Magda getting in Barnabas' face all the time--and grabbing her wig in that one scene!), and look at the set.  One thing that bemused me, however, was that in the booklet that comes with the discs, [spoiler]in the short description of the episode in which Jenny is murdered by Quentin; it says "Quentin ACCIDENTALLY kills Jenny," or words to that effect.

Now, I remember having a lengthy back-and-forth with a dear friend of mine the last tme Sci Fi broadcast these shows (it was her first chance to see them since her childhood viewing) and we both commented about how typical it was of Q to claim that Jenny's death was an accident when, the way Selby played the scene, it was quite clear that Q killed her very much in cold blood.

I can't recall whether Ann Wilson's episode guide in the DS Memories book (which I regard as the best of all the various episode guides available) also implied that Q killed his ex-wife "accidentally."  In general, Q's relationships with his past lovers do not paint him in at all an attractive light.  He obviously hated Laura at first sight upon her return (and she cordially returned the favor---the scenes betweeen these two have to be among the finest moments in the entire series!) and was even more vicious towards Jenny.[/spoiler]The original characterization of Quentin seems to have played off the late Sixties theme of the anti-hero--something that is very much out of fashion these days.  With Quentin even more so than with Barnabas, once the teeny-bopper adulation and the 16 magazine interviews began, they really seem to have softened and "rehabilitated" Q's character.

btw, on the first disc in this set, there's a great interview with Selby where he reveals that some more insistent fans were camping out in the lobby of his apartment building, demanding that he adopt them!  Great stuff.

G.

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I seem to recall a Twilight Zone episode involving an astronaut or airplane pilot landing in a parallel time Earth, as well.

At one time, I was working on an essay about the DS Parallel Time storyline (which I still think is among the best and yet most underrated of the series' storylines) and collected a lot of different Parallel Time stories on different TV shows of the 1960s.  I'm less aware of PT science fiction short stories and novels which presumably explored the idea far in advance of TV and the movies.

G.

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Hmmm--did the author of this piece time-travel back to 2006?  It mentions KLS working on a new project "timed to coincide with DS' 40th anniversary."

Thanks for sharing the link, though--and hope your convalescence is going smoothly!

G.

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Wasn't the Spiderman movie project in endless development for something like 20 years?  I remember articles about the project in the mid 90s and the articles then said that it had already been through several attempted scripts.  Sorry, but hiring a screenwriter means nothing in today's madcap Hollywood. 

I figure they have about ten years to play with before Depp starts to get too long in the tooth to play Barnabas--possibly a bit longer given how fantastic Depp's skin looks at his current age.

The main reason why *I* would like to see the Depp project bear fruit sooner than later is that I have this suspicion that without the big profile of the Depp project to push their insect-like mental faculties into action, TPTB are going to keep the hoDS/NoDS restoration project and DVD release on hold FOREVER.

G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Roger - a neglected gem
« on: April 29, 2008, 05:44:25 PM »
I have a close male friend who is about five years older than me and watched DS religiously up until sometime in 1968, when a mixture of hormones and boredom meant he was doing other things at four in the afternoon besides tuning into DS.  (I've been loaning him some of the DVDs so he can catch up with 1897--Laura is his favorite character and he was fascinated by her re-appearance then!)

Anyhow, when he was around 15 or 16 years old, from what he has told me, he had a huge crush on Roger!  He loved it all--the arrogance, the ascots, the pomposity, the fact that Roger always acted as if he owned not just the room, but all of Collinwood whenever he walked in, even though he was basically living there because of Liz's love for David.

My friend's spouse just got him a Netflix sub so he can rent all the early 1966 DVDs and recapture Roger in his regal glory.

In the later years of DS, Louis went off for a month or two at times to do theatre.  I believe this is why he wasn't around at all for some months of the Summer of 1970.

Do check out the late Craig Hamrick's marvelous book, Big Lou.  The real life Louis was NOTHING like Roger Collins, a fact for which we can all be grateful, fond though we may be of Roger's sneering and posturing.

G.

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Current Talk '08 I / Re: Everyone is right ! Roger Davis
« on: April 29, 2008, 05:35:29 PM »
LOL, Criseyde, your title for the RD book is truly priceless!

Maggie Babe, welcome to the Boards!  As for Roger Davis, just wait till you see what he does to his own hair!  The groping gets fierce...

I remember seeing one of the DS actors at a Festival reminiscing about how she always dreaded doing a scene with Davis, because of his tendency to literally PUSH her off her mark so the camera was just on him.  quite a trick. 

It's been shared on other threads that Dan Curtis, for whatever reason, had a soft spot for Davis--possibly because of the fan mail he received.  He was actually considered one of the major male babes of the series back in the day.

G.

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Hazel Court was sublime in Masque of the Red Death.  She brought a certain special touch to all her roles.

She would have been a marvelous guest player on DS--I can see her portraying an evil Baroness adept in Witchcraft who challenges Angelique ...

G.

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