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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Melanie's Piano Selection in 1841PT
« on: May 04, 2009, 03:04:45 PM »
Liz played a piece by Chopin in one of the very first episodes--no. 2 or 3, I believe.

In 1968, I believe Carolyn was heard playing Chopin in the drawing room.

In the original Art Wallace script from the 1950s, "The House," the character that eventually became Liz in the Art Wallace DS bible made extra money teaching piano to children in the village. 

G.

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Current Talk '09 I / Blingmistress of Collinwood
« on: April 30, 2009, 07:36:02 PM »
Thanks to MB for the fabou portrait of Aunt Hannah today.  I just LOVE Aunt Hannah!  DS needed more characters like her! Alexalique thinks she's so damn smart, but Hannah clearly showed just who wore the BLING at Collinwood.

Hannah was such a fascinating character, and she actually had a LOT more on the ball in terms of Magick than did Alexalique.  I was very sorry that the character was written out when Grayson came back because I would have died for scenes of Hannah and Hoffman together!  There are two wonderful interviews on the DVDs with Paula Laurence in which she talks about her friendship with Sam & Grayson.

G.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: fish and hash
« on: April 27, 2009, 10:47:15 PM »
Thanks, Cassandra, for that episode number.  Hope I have time to check it out!  I agree that the Maggie/Joe courtship took shape in a beautifully paced way.  I also enjoyed how the Carolyn-going-after-Burke story was written and played, especially with Nancy Barrett acting Carolyn's emotions and need for attention in such a plausible way.

To Taeylor, the original storyline [spoiler] had Roger Collins going totally crazy at some point and admitting to having killed Bill Malloy, plus some other murders I believe.  If I recall, the final episode was going to involve a clifftop confrontation in which Roger had lured Vicki to the cliffs and intended to push her to her death on the rocks.  Instead, Roger himself ended up going literally over the edge and finding the death he had planned for the innocent Miss Winters.  I can't recall how in the original outline the issue of Vicki's parentage was resolved.[/spoiler]

  I never owned the Shadows on the Wall book--have thought about purchasing it, if it is still available.  I should check.

Best,

G.

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I love that photo of Cassandra, Barn, Nicholas and Adam from '68.  It really evokes the feel and taste of that Summer for me.

Too bad Lara Parker herself has no memory of even playing Cassandra...

G.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: fish and hash
« on: April 27, 2009, 03:12:09 PM »
Thanks for sharing that MSC!  I vaguely recall that scene, but not the specifics--time to revisit!  Any idea around which episode or week?

Oh yeah--was '66 Roger ever a "douchebag"!  I'm glad, though, that Art Wallace's original outline for Roger's fate wasn't followed in the show's evolution.

Sam Hall's notes did have Maggie and Joe reuniting and getting married at the very end of the series, which perhaps was a recognition on his part of how popular the couple had been with fans.  I'm not that much of a Maggie fan, but I do enjoy the early courting scenes--1966 Maggie, like Vicki, had a LOT more on the go than the caricature to which she was later reduced.

G.

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Best luck and warmest wishes for improved times for all of you soon...

Sincerely,

G.

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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Forbidden Fruit
« on: April 24, 2009, 03:36:07 PM »
There was a lengthy period when I also had to watch DS in secret because my Mom decided it was too gruesome and too violent and I shouldn't be watching it (the episode where Cassandra's hand was turned into a fleshless, skeletal horror actually gave my sister nightmares).  Watching it became my first act of rebellion against parental authority.

G.

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Current Talk '09 I / Deadbeat Madness and Cigarette Voice
« on: April 23, 2009, 03:32:14 PM »
Fans,

I don't know whether it is appropriate to quote this here, but I know the Grayson fans will appreciate it.  It is a review of RJ Jamison's book by one of the Amazon Top 100 Reviewers, Kevin Killian, and was posted to Amazon in January of this year.  Killian's review reads in part:

I didn't like NIGHT OF THE IGUANA, and as for DARK SHADOWS, I haven't seen many episodes, only the two films. I went into this book not knowing much about Grayson Hall except that all of my friends love her. As the story continued, I realized it was one I had read about already, to other actresses and women who grew up in a certain time. In fact, a lot of what happened to Grayson Hall (or Shirley Grossman) already had happened to Jacqueline Susann, the same sorts of trials and sorrows, especially in a theatrical world in which a certain kind of beauty was celebrated and those who lacked it had to use other sorts of skills to get ahead.

R. J. Jamison's research is pretty amazing, even though some of the gaps remain startling. Years go by without Jamison being able to account for what Grayson Hall was doing. But at a certain point in the late 1950s, we see all the disparate parts of her character come together and a star is born, sort of; she was a late bloomer and paid the price late bloomers do, all of a sudden producers look at you and you're playing Madwoman of Chaillot roles. It came to me that I had seen Grayson Hall on stage in the early 1970s, when I was just a boy, and I attended the legendary premiers of Genet's play THE SCREENS in an experimental production at the Chelsea Theater Center at the BAM. It was a scary show, and I didn't understand a word of it, and it seemed there were more people up on the stage than there were in the audience, but Grayson Hall made an impression on me; she frightened me with her deadbeat madness and her cigarette voice, like a man in drag. She was not on the side of the revolution--or was she? A committed actress, she didn't seek identification or sympathy from her audiences. Jamison's biography makes me want to seek out more of her work, even the SATAN IN HIGH HEELS Hall denied she'd ever made. <snip>

I'm envious of Killian's having seen her in that play!  This is the one where she spent much of the time on stage wearing bared fake breasts made of styrofoam into which knitting needles had been inserted.  Her makeup and wig for the role came out of some bizarre acid-laced space that takes up where kabuki leaves off...

G.


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I think Forry did a DVD (or maybe it was a CD-Rom) of the Ackermansion tour a few years ago.  I saw an ad for it and recall thinking it would be a fascinating thing to own.  But alas I never did buy it.

I met Forry at a Famous Monsters convention in NYC in the mid 1970s that I think has become part of classic horror movie history.  Peter Cushing (a true gentleman, and genuinely courtly), Ingrid Pitt, and Michael Carreras also attended.  I have vague memories of meeting all three of the celebrities (and all three were very kind--I remember Michael patiently listening while I tried to explain to him why Sax Rohmer's Brood of the Witch Queen would make a fabulous Hammer horror film--unaware that just a couple of years previously, Michael himself had had to finish Blood from the Mummy's Tomb, based on Bram Stoker's Jewel of the 7 Stars, a story very similar to that in the Rohmer novel which was written just a few years later).  But one of the most vivid memories is of Forry allowing me to ogle, and take photograph after photograph, of his hands while wearing the Lugosi Dracula ring and, even more legendary in my eyes, the ring worn by Karloff in the role of Im-Ho-Tep in the original 1932 film of The Mummy--my forever favorite of all the Universal classics because of its pervading atmosphere of mysticism and the ancient occult.

Forry was a gem.  We miss him!

G.

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Current Talk '09 I / Quentin Collins, SUPERSTUD
« on: April 20, 2009, 11:16:48 PM »
I heard a shockingly loud noise just a few moments ago and felt the Earth quaking beneath my feet--came over here and realized it was the sound of women and men all over America hitting the ground with a volcanic THUD as their senses left them from the onslaught of sheer, manly, unbridled, unexcelled, unexampled hardcore seven-oils-and-seasonings STUDLINESS that IS Quentin Collins in today's Photo.  Mercy Miss Percy!

This is the kind of thing that, in days of old, used to have "Weredoggie" writing long, passionate screeds about "chew-toys" and loud, forceful baying at the moon--and no wonder.

I am fanning myself as best I am able in the suddenly TORRID atmosphere in here--it's HOT! and so is he.

G.

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Two thoughts that occur to me from skimming this fascinating article--one is the fact that everyone on the show knew "long before the final date was announced" that the cancellation was approaching adds grist to my theory that DC was the one who pulled the plug--and no one else.  I always thought it was just way too "convenient" that DS went off the air right in time for the start of the NoDS filming schedule.

It's ironic that the two main projects JF went on to do in the next couple of years were occult themed.  In that 1973 interview in a monster movie magazine he spoke of wanting to do a film with Jeanne Moreau.  That would have been fascinating to see.

G.


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Current Talk '09 I / Re: Quote & Capture / Minerva's cure-all
« on: April 17, 2009, 02:01:15 PM »
The expression on her face!  Priceless indeed.

Custards, eh?  NOT tapioca.  That would be somebody else's bailiwick.

G.

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Excellent news!  Many thanks for the alert.  I recently looked at the forthcoming release list on DVD Talk but don't recall having seen this title.

G.

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Three cheers for tapioca!  *imagines debate on whether tapioca is best creamy and slightly runny, or thick and chunky; decides not to go there*

cackling provocatively,

G.  (with extra huzzahs once more for a most Mysterious Day!)

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Interesting interview.  Sam sounds more like Truman Capote than ever.  I get that he did not like D. C., but from my one afternoon I spent with him, I recall that Sam used the words "madness" and "madman" in a way that denoted a kind of curious respect.

The one other thing I'll say about this is that if you survive to be very old, you get to say what you think as bluntly as possible and to hell with the consequences.  It may not be pretty or respectable, but I see it as one of the perquisites of the very old.  Just my personal two drachmae.

I spoke with David Selby a couple of times about Grayson, and he always spoke of her very fondly.  I had no idea about the situation to which Sam alludes in his interview.

One of the people with whom Grayson, at least, remained friendly after the series went off the air was Joan Bennett.  I remember Grayson's housekeeper telling me about the time Joan came to visit in Rhinebeck.  Grayson was a guest at Joan's 65th birthday party in '73.  I just love to think of these two ladies, each elegant in her own special way, talking over martinis and cigarettes.

G.

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