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That was interesting to hear.  I remember that guy interviewing me about Grayson at a DS convention a year or so after this broadcast.  He told me he had a friend who always said Grayson should have been a big star.

It seems ironic that one of the points is how "obscure" DS is and another is "so bad only really odd people want to watch it" when now it's huge again with the Depp movie and all the rest of it.  I guess it just goes to show that pop culture patterns and trends truly elude any attempt at rational analysis (or:  maybe what seems like a rational analysis from Ira Glass--isn't).

G.

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Zack Golem,

Thanks for that review.  I guess it gives me a good sense of the audience that is buying the reprints.  Since the books sell for fifty bucks a pop, they're clearly a very dedicated audience.

I do know of Jeff Thompson's work--think I'll skip it.

Interesting about Constance Collins.  There was a character with that name on the series, but she lived in the seventeenth century and was only seen in one flashback episode, portrayed by Grayson Hall.

Oddly, I can sort of half remember that weird drawing of Barnabas looking at Quentin's jet streaking across the sky through the window of his basement cell.

I do like your comment that the "relationship" between Barnabas and Willie was deemed "too complicated" for kids to comprehend.  Of course, the kids who watched the series regularly knew all about Barnabas and Willie... and we were all very innocent back then...

G.

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Zack Golem,

I would love to see an in-depth review (even a short one that comments upon specifics, not just the tired old hash of the basics about the original publications and the series, etc.) of one of the Hermes books.  Please do post a link if handy.  I have been curious as to just who on Earth is buying these things, and why.  I enjoy reading well-reasoned statements of opinions that differ from my own, and I really appreciate the civility you demonstrate here (particularly since I'm just a cranky old fan).

michael, that scene with a cacchinating Angelique terrorizing Barnabas in his dreams actually looks and reads a LOT like similar scenes I recall from the Gold Key comics.  This is one element that does seem to make a nod, if that's the right phrase, to the Sam Hall outline for how the series would have continued.  Angelique's evil ghost played a part in that, and I think she even returned to fleshly existence for a time--it's been awhile since I last perused it.  It was because of her persecution that [spoiler]Barnabas and Julia ultimately moved away from the Collinsport area forever after their marriage in Singapore.[/spoiler]

I do suspect that there's more to Angelique's presence in this first bit than meets the eye.  I know I'm going to keep reading.

Lordee, how could I have forgotten Cheshire Collins?  What a hoot!

Cheers, Steve

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Really?  I thought only diehard collectors of DS memorabilia would buy the reprints.  Interesting... what can one say except that tastes differ. 

I bought loads of them back in the day, and actually looked forward to them in the early months.  So my 13 year old self enjoyed them.  At some point, however, I had had enough.  Revisiting them as an adult was not a happy experience.

I agree with you about Aaron's attempt to draw Angelique in the new book, and I'm not all that happy with how he draws Julia in general. There's one square or panel or whatever you call it that is decent but it's obviously copied from a well-known hoDS film still.  I'm not convinced that he used photographs for all of it... his renderings of Barnabas are pretty free and easy, I think.

But then I'm not a professional artist, so ... not sure how much my opinion about any of it matters!

cheers, G.

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Golem, I'd guess that what Certa was thinking of as he slogged out the DS stuff was "yep, that's another paycheck in the mail."  Or, as my long-suffering Dad (who hated his job) used to say upon returning home in the evening, "Another day, another dollar."

I'll take your word for it that he was a good or even exceptional artist--I really don't have the stomach to research the subject by looking at other examples of his work.

But, glad to hear you enjoy what he produced.  It's nice to know that there's a fan out there for every artist.

G.

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Love the leopard-print slingback pumps on Green!  The perfect accent for that gown.  The lipstick is just way too loud for me, although it may be the fault of the photog dialling the color up too high.

G.

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I can't get those links to load... will try again later.

I am hoping that Eva Green spends large chunks of time onscreen as a brunette... hint hint...

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Brian Sturdivant
« on: November 09, 2011, 05:03:39 AM »
I finally got hold of a copy of Diary of a Mad Housewife but haven't had time to watch it.  I remember you said Sturdivant appears in a party sequence in that film.

G.

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Hi Michael,

[spoiler]I think it refers to Angelique... look back at the statue scene again, and the enthralled Julia responds to the question "Whom do you serve?" with "I serve my mistress... she approaches."  That to my mind is definitely the start of Angelique making Julia her latest pet slave.  (I don't think this is related at all to the storyline in the 1991 DS where Angelique simply possessed Julia outright. [/spoiler]

I do hope they bring Laura into this... I would love to see her part of the new storyline... and apparently bringing her back was discussed at some point in 1970 or 1971...

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Dark Shadows - Syndication Promo Reel
« on: November 07, 2011, 11:18:24 PM »
Yeah, the film trailers section just goes on and on on that set!  I'll have to go back and re-watch that NoDS trailer now.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Dark Shadows - Syndication Promo Reel
« on: November 07, 2011, 08:47:28 PM »
I think this is on the final DVD collection as one of the extras.  I know I have seen it somewhere before.  It's great to finally hear someone say that the show was "lavishly produced, with expensive sets and costumes," even if it was in the context of an advert.

G.

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Wish I could have been there, but I did not even see the announcement until late Sunday evening, and I have to confess the embarrassing fact that I don't even know which end of the state Fairhaven is--on the coast, presumably, but we got a LOTTA coastline here.

Did anyone yell "Vile Vitch!" at you?  I agree with MB that I think your show does not deserved to be shoehorned into the "family entertainment" slot although if it means you get to make money, who am I to say ye nay?

familial hugs,

Cousin Gothick

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michael--I agree with what you say. What I was trying to say in my original post was that the two little visual referents I caught to Depp Shadows seemed more like playful nods to fans, certainly not in any way intended to somehow present a tie to this world and the world of the Depp/Burton feature.

I also agree that this redaction is the most firmly rooted in canon of ANY previous DS spinoff I have seen, including the excellent Ken Bald newspaper comics of the early 1970s.  This comic series has the makings of a for-real sequel to the original series, which products such as the Joe Certa Gold Key books and the Marilyn Ross novels certainly were not.  (I've only heard one of the Big Finish dramas to date and it felt more like "alternate universe" or Parallel Time to me than the world of "our" DS--the tone and flavor felt markedly different from that of the OS, despite a cast that included original series actors and some music cues.)

I was thinking that one difference between DS and Star Trek is that the Star Trek fans seem to treat all the different redactions of the series as part of the same canon.  That's very unusual.  With DS, I would go so far as to say that to me, each of the two feature films feels strongly as if it establishes its own canon, but that position might strike most as too extreme--that IS how it feels to me though.

G.

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michael--you should be grateful that most of the personnel of the series were absent from the Gold Key comics... given that Certa's attempts to render Quentin, Julia, Stokes et al. resulted in some really unspeakable caricatures... Quentin always looked like a bad cross between pop star Engelbert Humperdinck (who I believe hailed from Tasmania) and the WB's Tasmanian devil... sigh.

I have just read issue 1 of the Dynamite DS comic--excellent work over all!  Given Liz's terse reference to David's "pyromania," I would guess that a certain former Mrs Roger Collins may be lurking in the shadows, or should I say, the embers...

I don't see the Julia or Carolyn episodes as references to the 1991 series, personally, but I did catch two visual references that may possibly be a nod at Depp Shadows--[spoiler] in the scene of Carolyn driving out of the estate, the gateway her car drives through looks *a lot* like the gateway for Collinwood created for the new movie (we never saw the Collinwood gate in the original series)--and when Barn vamps out on Julia, not only does he bare his fangs, but he sprouts Fu Manchu fingernails, too, just as Depp does in the new feature[/spoiler]

Of course, the inclusion of these images could be coincidental, but given the delay in the book's production, the artist may well have seen these photos--or may even have been shown material from Depp Shadows before some of it was made public...

I don't see these references as attempts to somehow incorporate this story into the canon of Depp Shadows--which, by the accepted standard definition of canon, will have ITS OWN canon, not somehow an extension of the canon of the original series (which is CLOSED).  These books, the Dynamite series, will also establish their own canon for the story of Collins family, the curses they suffer, Barnabas et al.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: New Poll: Most anticipated 2012 releases
« on: November 05, 2011, 02:35:37 PM »
Thanks for the explanation, MB.  I know nothing about voting software or why anyone would create such a gizmo... kind of funny if you're right that the robot wound up wrecking the site!  That's some kind of poetic revenge.

As the "Wicked" Witch of the West was once heard to bemoan:  "What a world, what a world!"

G.

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