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Testing. 1, 2, 3... / Re: New Collinwood Christmas Theme
« on: December 07, 2011, 05:08:42 PM »
It's very psychedelic!  I feel as if I'm trapped in Liz's Leviathan nightmare, only it's gone all Yuletide on me!  Ben Cross looks like he's about to start singing "You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch."   Love it!

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: December 06, 2011, 09:30:07 PM »
Well, they were there for perhaps two days.

I realize KLS read the shooting script, but as has been stated several times, the completed film could look very different from that beginning point.

And KLS *always* seems to put the most positive spin possible on any situation... *biting tongue on sarcastic comment*

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: December 05, 2011, 08:38:32 PM »
For the record, I for one am still excited and intrigued to see what HBC does with the role.  I've only seen a few of Helena's films.  She was wonderful in a film of the Henry James novel, Wings of a Dove, and in a Merchant-Ivory film of the E. M. Forster novel Howard's End.  I think she is very good in material with a classical melodramatic edge to it, and to my mind, that makes her admirably suited for this particular project.

But again, time will tell.  I won't have an opinion until I have seen the film.  Just saying that her participation has become one of the exciting aspects to me (I admit that I was less than enthused initially--and I foresaw her casting in this role long before anyone else I know).

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: December 04, 2011, 09:01:15 PM »
There was discussion of this interview over on the main thread about the movie.  I don't think their marriage is in trouble; I think Helena is just in love with the sound of her own voice.

Great shot of her scarily working the Michael Jackson hair.

These interviews with HBC remind me of when Grayson and Sam were touring around doing interviews to promote NoDS, and some unfortunate journalist tried to ask Sam to talk about the story of the movie, and Grayson barked:  "DON'T give away the ending!"

Clearly, HBC is even in more need of a minder...

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: DS Fashion Envy
« on: December 03, 2011, 04:43:38 PM »
I remember that beautiful dress, Arashi.  It was the first time Magda was mentioned.  Her spirit spoke through Carolyn at a seance.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
« on: December 03, 2011, 04:38:45 PM »
Re Helena's tendency to run at the mouth... I suppose being married to the director has its perks... though I imagine Tim is FURIOUS with her at revealing that. 

The Great Expectations thing doesn't really count because anyone who has read the novel or seen one of the 99 other film versions (though to me, the 1947 film with the Divine Martita Hunt as Miss Havisham IS definitive) knows what happens to Miss Havisham.

For those who play the spoiler, bear in mind that what she spoke of could be presented in any number of ways in the completed film.  It could play out as part of a dream or nightmare sequence, for example.  As I wrote, where DS is concerned, you never know!

G.

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Lighting candles in remembrance of Keith Prentice and Chris Bernau as well.  Gone but not forgotten.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
« on: December 03, 2011, 04:33:30 AM »
michael c, Helena reveals--

[spoiler]that Barnabas kills Julia during the action of the movie, by draining her of her blood.  Of course, given that it's DS, that doesn't necessarily mean that Julia is dead and gone for good--nor that the only way she could return would be as a vampire![/spoiler]

Sounds as if it's going to be quite a ride.  I did not know that yet ANOTHER remake of Great Expectations has just been done, and Helena plays Miss Havisham--apparently she just finished shooting that.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0106
« on: November 29, 2011, 10:31:51 PM »
The idea of having the story play out in real time was Art Wallace's concept.  After he stopped actually churning out the scripts, the other writers treated time in a more fast and loose way, but also a way that seemed more natural to the viewer for whom weeks and months HAD passed since the start of it all.

My favorite time-trippy moment is that when Vicki is thrown back into 1795, it is the Fall of 1967.  When she returns, "only a moment has passed" and yet the calendar reads April of 1968.  Of course, it would have seemed very strange to viewers at the time if they had pretended that it was still 1967.

At some point in the 1795 storyline, she's in the gaol with Peter and saying dialogue about getting back to 1968.  Years later the same thing happened with Barnabas and Julia discussing a return to 1971 at the end of the 1840 storyline.  When they had left Collinwood, it had been Sept.-Oct. 1970.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: November 27, 2011, 12:21:38 AM »
I don't really agree, btw, that interest in vampires goes in cycles.  It's just that some vampire themed projects get more play than do others.  To think about the past three decades, in the Eighties we had The Hunger, Near Dark, Fright Night and The Lost Boys; in the 1990s we had Interview with a Vampire, Bram Stoker's Dracula, the cult series Forever Knight (my personal fave of all of them) and the start of the BTVS craze; in the 2000s there were the projects already referenced plus any number of others.

Margo Adler, NPR reporter and author of the landmark history of US Paganism, Drawing Down the Moon, has a new book out already or imminently on the fascination with vampires.  I heard quite a bit of buzz when I was out at the Pagan conference in San Jose last Feb., the Pantheacon.  Interesting stuff.

I don't think there is any danger that people will fail to go see DS because they're done with vampires.  There is a danger that the movie will stink and word of mouth will keep people away in droves.  A friend told me that Alice raked in big bucks because it was rated G.  I do not see how DS could possibly be rated G.

G!

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: November 27, 2011, 12:14:01 AM »
Now that Thanksgiving has gone and still no trailer, it makes me wonder at what kind of emotional pressures Burton may be under--from himself.

If I were as big a fan as I am and had the chance to do a remake of the some of this story, I can't imagine the kind of grief I could give myself trying to make every detail perfect.  (It does not matter that the original was rife with the imperfections of shooting material after only 2 or 3 rehearsals--in my fan's mind, it is still the ULTIMATE.)

If they are still doing post production, which I think is almost certainly the case, I don't see how there can be a final budget tally yet.  The 60 million must cover shooting costs.  I don't know about other costs.  It's interesting to think that Depp & Burton may have taken major salary cuts to get this out of the gate. 

It just may be the glossiest, most high end fan production ever seen to this date.

G.

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Thanks for that link, MB.  I wonder why the post didn't come up when I ran the search?

Heather had posted some captures a few years back, including ones from the scene where Mrs. Parks (Grayson's character) dashes terrified into the sheriff's office and makes a beeline for the drawer with the bottle of whiskey (or scotch or whatever it is)... this movie really illustrates how brilliantly Grayson could have done comedy.  But you're right, the captures may no longer be in that post if the hosting space is no longer available.

I thought issue 2 was supposed to come out last Wed. but I called my local shop and it had not come in.  Since issue 1 was delayed by several weeks I wonder if the same may not happen with issue 2?  I just checked the page for the mag on Dynamite's site and it now shows as "available soon!"  At this rate, no way is issue #4 going to be made available in "January 2012" as stated on the site...

G.

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I watched the new DVD of Gargoyles (1972) tonight and couldn't help thinking it was too bad the artist for the comics didn't have access to some screen shots of Grayson in this as a model for Julia in the Fall of 1971.  I thought the curly shag do Grayson had as Mrs. Parks took years off her face, and her figure hugging stylish white top with the silver belt made her look great.

There was an old thread with some screen captures but I guess it is no longer available since a search for "Gargoyles" on the site search engine turned up "no pages."  Check the movie out if you haven't seen it and are a Grayson Hall fan.

G.

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Thanks Zahir for posting those hulu links.  I played the clips, and it was interesting to see Chloe in action as up till now I had only seen photographs.  She is very poised, and very young.  She revealed that she trained for seven months to do "Let me in," and that she studied at the Performing Arts High School in NYC (she must have been admitted there when she was only 10, which seems extraordinary, but she made no comment about this).

She doesn't discuss the DS project at all in the available clips.  They do talk about Hugo which of course opens today.

I see her huge popularity as very symptomatic of our culture's seeming obsession with very young teenagers (or barely pubescent girls)--I have read a number of articles about this over the past five years.  It is a phenomenon I find very strange, although it is adumbrated obviously in Nabokov's Lolita and in Donovan's Mellow Yellow ("I'm just mad about fourteen/fourteen's mad about me").

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: the parallel-time "tease"
« on: November 23, 2011, 06:45:33 PM »
There is one episode where Quentin's 1930s/40s pre-Grant Douglas identity is mentioned.  Julia finds a clipping and some other things and a name is mentioned.  I can't recall it at the moment but it's one of my favorite episodes.  I love the shows where Julia is trying to help "Grant" overcome his amnesia just because I think Grayson and Selby had such fabulous on-screen chem.

But you're right, the show could have done more with this, but they didn't.  An option might have been to have a storyline that involved the 1920s and Quentin having to do the I Ching back to his former self then and come to Collinsport and change history.  I think Selby would have looked very hot in 20s regalia, and the women would have looked great in the period fashions too.

Ah, we can dream...

G.

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