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Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II / Re: Marilyn Ross novels
« on: December 14, 2011, 04:50:02 PM »
You remember correctly MB--in the books, Barnabas was never chained in his coffin, but traveled the world and even lived in London, for reals, at one point.  The character was really quite different from how he was portrayed in the series, from what I recall.  I think he also had a different servant for awhile other than Willie but I can't recall the particulars now.

It's too bad Dorothy Daniels didn't get the DS contract--a much better writer than Ross, IMO.  Her Strange Paradise novels hold up much better than do the Ross DS tomes.

But others feel differently, of course...  My favorite Ross story is the time he was sitting in the back of his station wagon with the typewriter on his lap in front of the post office frantically banging out the final few pages of one of his books so he could get the MS in the post in time to meet his deadline.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: 1967 photo--Barnabas and Liz
« on: December 14, 2011, 04:45:04 PM »
Was that Las Vegas?  I did not attend but one of my friends who did might have sent me the program. 

The same program has a really cute photo of Thayer David taken off-set on the hoDS shoot modeling his fangs.  Another one I haven't seen anywhere else.  I'm glad I always check through these things before consigning them to recycling.

cheers, Gothick

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Current Talk '11 II / 1967 photo--Barnabas and Liz
« on: December 14, 2011, 02:21:07 PM »
Dear Fans, while looking through some old magazines, I found my 1998 DS Festival program and noticed a very rare (and so far as I know, never used) publicity photo from 1967 (or perhaps '68?)--it seems to have been done on the same day as a well known series of Jon and Grayson mugging around Barn's coffin.  In this one, Barn is flattening himself dramatically against the cellar wall, the coffin is center of photo and in front of it is Liz (wearing an outfit I don't recall her ever wearing on the series, but that doesn't mean that it may not have appeared and I simply don't remember).  Liz is clasping hands to face and about to let loose with one of her famous strangled screams.

If I can get a scan done of the photo, I will try to share it here.

Best,  G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II / Re: Marilyn Ross novels
« on: December 14, 2011, 04:24:20 AM »
Hey Willie, I think Dan "Marilyn" Ross who wrote the books had the script for episode 1 plus some notes from Art Wallace's original story bible.  The latter was published as a Pomegranate Press book, Shadows on the Wall, and does include the projected outline for the first year or so of DS as Art Wallace originally envisioned it.  I don't have the book but a friend recently got hold of a copy (it is unfortunately out of print).  The first main storyline ended with Roger being even more explicitly villainous than was the case in the aired episodes from 1966.  Laura was set to come back but she wasn't a Phoenix; she was simply a troubled alcoholic.  I think even in the first five books Ross added a number of characters who were not in the original material he was given.  From what I remember of those first five books, apart from the opening couple chapters of book one, there was very little resemblance to what aired on the series.  Even the first novel about Barnabas was  to all intents and purposes a different story and the character very different from how he appeared in the series.

A man named Jeff Thompson wrote an entire MA thesis on the Ross books.  I don't know if it was ever published.  Some here are huge fans of the books.  I read them back in the day.  I find the covers the most interesting aspect of the novels now.

G.

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Interesting points, bat.

[spoiler]The "floating Angelique" motif actually reminded *me* of Joe Certa and Gold Key comics... this floating, cachinnating apparition of Angelique featured in several of those mags.  When I finally got to see the 1991 episodes in which use was made of this motif, it seemed more like an echo of the Gold Key books even though a hovering, gloating phantasm of Angelique was seen a couple of times in 1795.[/spoiler]

It's odd to think of the Gold Key books having such persistent influence... but then again, until we heard from a fan of those comics earlier on here, I was completely unaware that the Gold Key comics had their own very loyal and dedicated fandom.  Perhaps some of those fans wrote letters to Dan Curtis and he turned to some of the comics when preparing the 1991 series...

G.

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Ewan is so impossibly sexy.  I would love to see him portray Quentin in the next DS film even though technically he's too old now for that role.

For fans of Ewan's body, I saw a notice (forwarded from a friend) that Velvet Goldmine, the 1990s cult homage to 1970s glamrock, in which Ewan shows full frontal nudity, is going to be released on "Blu Ray."

Interesting to see Eva play this kind of role.  She's clearly well on her way to becoming a major star.

G.

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"Try taking our Vamp out in the sunlight and watch it sparkle."  Hoo boy.

I'm not even going to touch that one *rolls eyes*.

Um, Happy Holidays?

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Spoilers
« on: December 11, 2011, 11:20:16 PM »
Willie Loomis,

I've had similar thoughts about what Helena said.

[spoiler]If Bella plays Josette in an extended flashback sequence in the 18th century, Helena may play Countess du Pres.  And the scene to which Helena alluded may have had to do with the fate of the Countess, rather than Julia.  [/spoiler]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out once the movie is actually released!

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: the parallel-time "tease"
« on: December 10, 2011, 05:17:45 AM »
Uncle Roger,

[spoiler]When Julia came back from 1897 to 1969, there's a scene where she tells Chris that he is actually a Collins because he descends from Quentin's daughter, who survived.  Since the head of the family in PT 1970 is a Quentin Collins who looks just like the 19th century Quentin, we must presume that the PT 1890s Quentin proved to be a devoted husband to Jenny and that both his children survived.  The Chris Collins of PT 1970 could therefore be a descendant of 1890s Quentin's first son, or of a second son if, as seems likely, he and Jenny had more children together.  If Chris was a first cousin of Quentin's, then he would have descended from very close to the original 1890s Quentin.  Since Chris handled Quentin's legal and financial affairs, he was clearly a close and trusted member of the family.[/spoiler]

That is my take on why Chris in PT is a Collins.  If Tom existed, he presumably was no longer living in Collinsport, as he is never mentioned.

Best, Gothick

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Wow.  I wonder whether we can expect each issue to be spaced 7 to 8 weeks apart?

Thanks, Nicky!

G.

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Thanks, Midnite!  You're awesome!

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Current Talk '11 II / Kathleen Cody and Virginia Vestoff Photo On Facebook
« on: December 09, 2011, 12:05:02 AM »
There's a great photo of Kathy with Virginia Vestoff on her Facebook photos page. It is marked "public."  I'm not friended to Kathy, and I was able to see it.  It was from a photo shoot that seems to be from late in 1970.

Best,

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: December 08, 2011, 04:14:41 PM »
 Exactly, Cathy.  I thought that tone and temper had a lot to do with what Helena said, and one always has to take into account the classic British tradition of "taking the piss" (making sarcastic fun even of one's nearest and dearest), of which she is clearly a mistress.

If you listen to both interviews, she is really saying that the new movie is extraordinary, even by Tim Burton's standards.  She said it is very subtle.  I remember in an interview before the filming started she commented on how unusual it was going to be because the focus was overwhelmingly going to be on interactions between actors, as opposed to big box FX sequences.

In her own mind she may have been saying that DS was a "so bad it's good" cult classic.  As MB and others have commented, we're used to hearing this from others, including the stars of the original series.

I remember at a Brooklyn festival a few years ago, there was a moment where Selby and Karlen sat while a clip sequence played of their scenes together on the series (mostly Desmond and Quentin from 1840).  I remember Selby saying something like "that dialogue!  Sam Hall, you have a lot to answer for!"  But then subsequently he stated:  "I'm really amazed at how good this is."  It was his first time seeing the show, apparently, in many years.


G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
« on: December 08, 2011, 02:59:01 AM »
Wow.  I keep hoping that DS fans won't behave like complete mental cases in public... and I keep getting disappointed.  This pace certain "real fans" forming an HBC "hate group" over on F-book.  Shouldn't something like that be illegal?

It makes me wonder whether some of the people in that group dress up like Elizabeth Collins Stoddard to go to work every day and board the bus announcing to all and sundry "I am the Mistress of Collinwood" (if you've seen the movie Trekkers, you'll know what I am talking about).

Football widows kvetch about football sometimes.  I'm sure HBC has had years of Johnny and Tim holing up in the living room to run DS marathons from time to time.

It means absolutely nothing about the film, the quality of her performance, her commitment to the project (it actually sounded to me as if she loved working on it), or the price of scones in London today.

And I feel like an idiot for needing to write this.  Sheesh.

G.

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Current Talk '11 II / Re: the parallel-time "tease"
« on: December 07, 2011, 09:01:24 PM »
Huge fan of PT 1970 here.  I agree that it was the last of the really good storylines on the series. (1995 feels more like an idyll than a fullblown storyline.)  Nancy, Grayson and Louis in particular all had some really great material... Parker had great clothes and great opportunities to do what she did best. 

[spoiler] I personally failed to "get" the whole Yeagar-goes-after-Maggie Collins thing, and both Quentin and Maggie seemed wearisomely one-note to me ... others disagree which is a fan's prerogative of course ...[/spoiler]

I also LOVE Hannah and Tim Stokes...  great characters!  I wish Hannah had stayed on for awhile after Hoffman returned.

G.

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