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I wonder whether the nail polish tie-in has to do with Orly getting the contract to do Depp's fake fingernail manicures for the film.  The high resolution photos certainly do show them to be an unusual shade of pink.

I was thinking about parody this weekend while revisiting the 1967 Casino Royale.  It seems as if the reaction to its release back then paralleled in some ways what is happening with Depp Shadows.  The 1967 film is now regarded, by some of us at least, as a masterpiece and brilliant time capsule of its era.  But back then most critics and moviegoers treated it as "Bomb, James Bomb."  Re-watching this film from a bygone era (the same era that gave us original series DS of course) made me realize that the eventual response to Depp Shadows could be a more nuanced one than I had hitherto conceived.

For myself, watching the trailers and the rest of the Depp Shadows runup unfold has clarified for me that I'm no longer interested--if I ever really was interested--in any Dark Shadows remakes, period.  I know people follow KLS's lead in saying DS is like Shakespeare and every actress deserves to give her take on Josette (or whoever).  But to me, DS wasn't like a theatrical epic; it was like the part of my family I never met--the people who were like ME (which nobody else in my real family ever was).  To that extent, I like the publicists' angle about every family having its weirdies or however they're phrasing. 

If I walked into a room and saw somebody portraying my Aunt Lillian, and not only that, had the imposter who was supposed to be her running around in a crushed velvet cape with five hundred pounds of pancake makeup, it would be jarring and I wouldn't be able to "just get used to it."  To me, DS is a cast of characters portrayed by Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, Joan Bennett et al. as they were 40 years ago. 

I don't think I will ever be able to get through to some of you how it all makes me feel... this is my last attempt at it.

Enjoy the movie.

G.

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Borgosi, that is very interesting regarding your daughter's report from that midnight showing of Hunger Games.  Thank you for sharing that.

I had already sort of figured that Angelique has been combined with the original Burke Devlin character in this version.  I still haven't a clue how Bill Malloy is supposed to fit in.

I'm sorry but I have played the trailer a number of times and I don't see any way it could be interpreted other than as a spoof.  And sometimes, I can really get into a good spoof.

It would really help though if I could stop seeing Eddie Munster whenever I look at BarnaDepp Scissors...

G.

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Current Talk '12 I / Re: DS 1991: A Look Back
« on: March 22, 2012, 04:03:38 AM »
Great essay, Zahir!  I'm far, far from being an authority, or even a fan, of the 1991 DS, but as I understand it wasn't just the heavy hand of Dan Curtis that sabotaged the show; there were other factors at play:

(1) The Gulf War, and the cupidity of NBC programmers, meant that the series episodes were shunted all over the place in the schedule, to the point where you'd have needed David's crystal ball to know when the next installment was going to air.  As well, the initial Friday night slot was a notorious "death slot" in the NBC schedule so the series was already being given short shrift by programmers.

(2)  NBC suits (Brandon Tartikoff, perhaps?) apparently insisted that the 1790 flashback and scenes set in the present interweave in the latter weeks of the series, resulting in a hodgepodge effect in some of the episodes and an unnecessarily speeded-up retelling of the original 1795 story.  (I still wince whenever I think of that last episode.)

I personally found the art direction to be very erratic--sometimes great, othertimes unwatchable--and the same for the writing--Curtis needed to hire someone of the calibre of Sam Hall to be a script editor.  My impression is that DC himself was the script editor.  This in general never proved to be a scenario resulting in greatness (yeah, I know the Curtis worshippers out there will disagree--just giving *my* opinion here).

I'm sure I've already written more than anyone cares to read, but the final thing I have to say about this show is even though everyone always talks about the lavish production values, something about it just looks somehow tawdry to me.  I don't know whether it is that clashy color palette they kept reverting to (see note above about art direction) and the network trying to cut corners on post production (I have no idea about the technical side of things, but the series always looks so grainy and poorly-developed in the film stock sense of the word). 

I still think that if the network had supported it more, it would have lasted at least one more season.  I have the impression that there was backstory and personality conflicts behind the abrupt pulling of the plug.

cheers, G.

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Sad news!  and my hat's off once again to Kosmo.  I always thought I knew about some obscure actors, but Kosmo's knowledge of the field leaves me in the dust!

G.

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Interesting comparison, michael.  I think you may have a point.

I am lol at your use of the Salem Branch.  hee hee!

G.

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Yep.  I tossed mine in the recycling bin 30 seconds after finishing with it.

I wouldn't put it under the catbox.  I have more respect for my kitty than to subject her to that.

G.

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Current Talk '12 I / Re: A Thought about 1970 Parallel Time
« on: March 20, 2012, 02:00:37 PM »
If Moltke had come back to play a new character, especially an evil one, during the Tarrytown hiatus period, I think it would have made PT 1970 an even more nuanced and intriguing story.

We got Lara Parker as the ingenue in PT 1841.  I'm just as glad that she got to play a thoroughly psychotic version of Angelique in this storyline.

And this reminds me:  having finished the new comic book and seen the 2012 trailers, what is it with the evolution of the Angelique character into a psychotic slag with super-powers?  On the series, she was also a character with a lot of shadings and nuances and layers.  Yeah, Barnabas always ranted about how eee-vil she was, but we (the audience) got to see some of her doubts, her questionings, and even her desire for love as opposed to her obsessive need to have Barnabas come crawling to her on his hands and knees.

There is no answer to this... maybe the trend for apocalyptic villains with superpowers in the mass media is part of the reason for why the character seems to be written as she is in spin-offs and tie-ins.

G.

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Current Talk '12 I / Re: Complete Original Series April 10 on DVD
« on: March 19, 2012, 09:22:19 PM »
That is very sad that MPI refused to cooperate with Tim Lucas.  His work on Bava has been epochal, and some outstanding material by himself and others (such as Kim Newman) has appeared over the years in Video Watchdog.  What's more, people who read VW actually buy DVDs, unlike the typical reader of Time or Vanity Fair or whatever.

Dumb call, MPI.  One does wonder just what's up with that box set.  They have a good sales potential with it even with the high ticket price... given that there is no sign to date of WB doing ANY marketing at all connected with the Burton-Depp feature.

G.

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Wow, I finally sat down to look at issue four and it's ... wall-to-wall schlock is the best phrase I can come up with for it.

If the original issues 4 through 6 were combined into this one final issue that explains at least some of the ways in which the story fails.  I don't know why they hired such a poor artist, and the colorist didn't even bother to check hair colors from earlier issues.

I wonder how long this mag will last.  Fans of the new movie will be puzzled when they check it out and don't find any jokes...

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / "Dank Shadows" returns
« on: March 18, 2012, 10:35:00 PM »
The new episode (17/XVII) of Dank Shadows is available for viewing on their youtube page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/dankshadows

I have to say this version of Josette's music box is a real riot! 

Best,

G.

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Well, frankly, regardless of how I feel about the new movie, I think Burton is pretty much hardly to blame--in my own eyes.  Given what has been reported here of what they're saying about him and his work elsewhere.  I am not on this sites and am blissfully ignorant of all of it--and rapidly losing interesting in keeping up with any of it.

I think Radcliffe would make a great Barnabas, say ten or twenty years down the line.  If anybody wants to do DS again after the release and box office performance of the Burton-Depp parody.

If the parody really takes off and does huge b/o, I don't really know that anyone would want to bother doing another take on the old story.  but then, who knows?

G.

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Fans, for anyone interested, this notice was posted last night on the Classic Horror Film fans board.  By the time I saw it, the podcast was already in progress so I did not bother to post here.  There was a notice I saw just now saying that they are going to make Pierson's segment available as a downloadable or streamable podcast on the site, http://www.cultradioagogo.com.  The blurb:

8 PM PST / 11 PM EST - We begin our 2 hour segment / open forum on Dark Shadows and the new film which just had the trailer revealed this past week. Dark Shadows community leader / convention organizer / author / new film consultant JIM PIERSON has just agreed to come on our show tonight as well. It should be an interesting night discussing the.. events at hand.

If you get a chance to listen, our DS segment will be on from 8 pm pst (11 pm est) until 10 pm pst (1 am est) and may go over if things get too in depth.  You can listen LIVE for free by going to www.cultradioagogo.com (end of blurb)

There was also a post saying that (the rest edited by admin)

I haven't had time to listen to Pierson's segment and I imagine it will just be the usual spin-a-thon.  But if anyone does bother to listen, I'd be interested to read your notes.

Best, G.

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Nancy honey, I am so sorry about your loss of that storage trailer.  I've lost a lot of things over the years too, but in a much less traumatic way; simply through the detritus of moving about, living on continents thousands of miles apart, etc. 

I figured out a solution to what I'll call the enigma of Depp Shadows--it's a parody.  Pure and simple.  Think about it.  It's actually a brilliant strategy for Burton since filming a parody plays to all his strengths as a director.  I presume that Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer also has elements of parody (how could it not, with a title like that?) which explains the choice of screenwriter.  As with the original DS, the director has his own huge input no doubt.

I feel confident that this film will be a success with teens and twentysomethings, which means WB giving the green light to the full restoration of NoDS and the release of the 1970s feature films on a regular commercial DVD as opposed to MOD.  Which was what I personally wanted all along.  So, no hysterics from this fan.

G.

2550
Thanks, Arashi.

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