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I think it takes a certain temperament to appreciate the OS.  It is even more firmly rooted in Sixties culture than was Star Trek--the budget was much lower and it is much more theatrical, on every level.

I have a friend who likes a lot of the same movies and TV shows that I do, and he can't get into DS.  He always finds it "too slow."  He's only about six years younger than me.

I am rather curious as to what impact the new movie will have on the public's image of Barnabas.  To me at least he comes off as a goofy freak in the clips.  Frid's Barnabas was such a haunting figure of mystery... those eyes ... that voice.  There was this sense of an inner sorrow that could never find solace.  Even with the Ben Cross interpretation, there was this tragic sense of wounded dignity that fed his anger and, at times, arrogance.  In the original 1967 Barnabas narrative, in the Maggie kidnapping storyline, Barnabas really did seem hyper-insane in a number of those scenes where he was trying to harrow the girl into becoming "my Josette."  It was some of the scariest stuff ever seen on television IMO.

Depp's performance makes me think of inspired lunacy on the scale of Dieter from Sprockets on SNL.  I wrote to a friend yesterday that having seen the clips, it would seem that the entire movie had to be tilted towards the absurd in order to accommodate the craziness of Depp's take on Barnabas and, in a sense, provide a frame or a context for it.  Sort of the way you would redecorate a room in your house before hanging some really unusual painting in it. 

I do think that Pfeiffer does a fabulous job of provided a much needed counterpoint of realism that somehow helps to make what Depp does work, in the context of the movie--to judge from the scenes posted yesterday.

cheers, G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Re: brooklyn DS "tribute"
« on: April 29, 2012, 04:59:32 PM »
Wow, KLS isn't just confused about the Sixties... now she's got David Selby bilocating in 2012!  Amazing.  The powers of royalty...

Thanks for the report about the event, michael.  Did the bar decor have any DS specific images or features for the evening or was it just standard goth-industrial?

Thanks for being our man on the spot!  At least you got a t-shirt!

cheers, G.

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Thank you for those thoughts, Penny.  Of course what people think about DS matters to you.  How can it not?

More than any other television show I have ever been engaged with, DS speaks to my heart.  Collinwood was my refuge at the most difficult, awkward moment in my life.  I actually don't mind the laughter since I often laugh along as well, but I do mind the perception that "it was so awful" or "so boring, how could you watch it."

I don't have any answers, but I want you to know that I can sympathize with the discomfort all of this makes you feel. 

hugs, Uncle Gothick

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I agree that Pfeiffer, judging from the clips, is outstanding.  Really really good.  A completely new character which is a smart move because we'll never say anything approaching the grace and beauty that was Joan Bennett walk the earth again.

The other thing the clips showed me is just how good Green really is as Angelique.  I had every confidence in her having seen her work in Camelot, but I have to say that none of the trailers really showed off just how incredible she is in the acting side of things--since all the Angelique scenes in the trailers (the ones I have seen, at least--I have been unable to see the recent ones as they are not on Youtube, apparently, and MB's downloads won't play for me) have been about stuntwork and slapstick. 

This Angelique is really scary.  Much more so than poor Lysette Anthony was ever given the chance to be.

There are a couple of things about Angelique in the movie that irritate me, but I'll wait to kvetch about them until we have a review page here.

G.

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Well, I for one enjoyed watching the clips.  They make the movie seem about five times more interesting to this viewer than ANY of the trailers which I have mostly found repellent.  But then, as a going-on-54 gay male eccentric who lives in a book-lined batcave, I'm hardly this movie's target audience.

The clips actually have me excited to see the movie now.  I had figured it would mostly be an exercise in masochism but I am seeing enough here to beguile me in between the kitsch and the inevitable toilet humor.

Reality check for anyone who cares:  NOBODY in the 1770s spoke the way the Barnabas character in this movie does--on stage or off.  I've read enough plays, letters, and memoirs of the period to be pretty confident in saying that.  I have no idea where SGS or whoever composed the dialogue came up with Barn's goofball way with words here, but Depp pulls it off.

One thing that fascinates me: [spoiler] Around 15 years ago in an issue of Dale Clark's zine Inside the Old House, I read an article by a fan who theorized that Liz in 1967, in our OS reality, *knew* when Barnabas arrived at Collinwood that he was a vampire.  The scenario was laid out with great care and attention to detail, and the person had studied the episodes really carefully.  I think the decision to make this factor an explicit part of the story this time around WAS a very clever twist on the original narrative, and Pfeiffer plays it much more brilliantly than I would have expected.  To be truthful, I had no thoughts one way or the other about Pfeiffer's casting.  From what I've seen to date, she may well be the best thing about this version of the story. [/spoiler]

Best,

G.

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Interesting thoughts, MB.  And it was definitely explored in the original 1795 story, as we know. 

Thanks for sharing.  I had missed the previous spoiler-tagged comment.

Best,

G.

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MB and michael,  are you implying that [spoiler]Barnabas makes Vicki into a vampire?  Since Vicki wasn't even a character in house of DS, I'm confused by what you're implying, and the imagery in the trailers I have seen to date (I think you must have seen more than I have at this point) doesn't show anything like this.[/spoiler]

Just asking for clarification.  I don't really give two twitches of a rats tail about spoilers so I hope one of you will clear it up for me.  Please use the spoiler tag.  Thank you.

Best, G.

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Yay!  Both Jonathan AND Grayson have a clip!  Now THAT's class!

Great to see Christopher Lee, too.

G.

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From what Grahame-Smith said to Prof. Stokes, it sounds as if the movie has undergone some re-edits since the test screenings.  So, the 1772 prologue may have been considerably sliced down.

I really did not see any spoilers to speak of, beyond one minor detail about the Barnabas/Angelique backstory in this version (which could be mis-reported here since the reviewer admitted that it all went by so quickly, he hardly knew what was going on).  You've seen all the trailers so you know all the content revealed in this review.

G.


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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Re: Semi-OT: Alice Cooper '74
« on: April 26, 2012, 05:22:30 PM »
Thanks.  I'm not an Alice Cooper fan, but I thought he was very amusing here. And I remember enjoying his appearance with Vincent Price in some Halloween special around the same time.

I wish they had gotten people who knew what they were doing to write this fluff.  A warlock is just another word for a male Witch.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Semi-OT: Alice Cooper '74
« on: April 26, 2012, 02:23:39 PM »
Fans, I just stumbled across this fun (albeit somewhat grainy and fuzzy) clip of Alice Cooper playing a Witch in a Halloween skeleton costume and singing a song whose title seems to be "I eat my things" ... it looks very prophetic, not only of his performance 40 years later in DS, but of some of Tim Burton's visual obsessions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E2b_6GZbsY&feature=related

The clip is from a very short lived series, The Snoop Sisters, and dates to March of 1974.  The older actress in the scene is Miss Helen Hayes.

Enjoy!

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '11 II / Re: New fan video
« on: April 26, 2012, 05:12:42 AM »
It looks like great fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHqIV-y6a0I

I hope you can get a slot for the Tarrytown event...

G.

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That was simply beautiful, Nancy.  Thank you for sharing your memories of Jonathan with such candor. 

Like you, I am glad he has found peace.

xo Steve

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Current Talk '12 I / Re: Many Laura Murdoch Questions (spoilers)
« on: April 22, 2012, 02:16:42 AM »
Once upon a time, William Mann, who is now a somewhat well-known author of celebrity biographies and novels, wrote an article giving a fairly plausible back-story for Laura Murdoch Collins, Phoenix of the ages. It was published in a 1990s issue of the old zine, Inside the Old House.  If the editor of the zine runs a website now (I have had no contact with him in well over a decade, but if I remember correctly, his name was Dale Clark), perhaps someday he could be talked into posting Bill's essay on the internet.  I didn't agree with all of Bill's ideas, but I think he did come up with the best solution to a number of your questions.

It seems fairly clear in both 1966 and 1897 that the pre-burning Laura was not a Phoenix, but that she was something of a playgirl (if I may be allowed to use a slang expression from the era).  After Laura's disappearance in 1967, Roger flatly informs Liz that the woman had walked among them during those fraught months "wasn't Laura."  Not the Laura he had known, at any rate.  There's a definitiveness to that scene that feels quite real to me.  And yet, Laura was able to play upon the emotions of both Roger and Burke in her attempts to take David for herself. 

If I'm remembering correctly, Bill Mann came up with an occult reason for why Laura was required to sacrifice her child/children in her second hecatomb.  I think it was the price for having "immortal life."  Not a price any normal mother would welcome.  I thought one of the incredible things about Diana Millay's performance was how she suggested Laura's inhuman nature in a very subtle way as the story went on.  The writing in the 1966/67 story was just a bit more subtle than the writing for her story in 1897.

I do think that there was some kind of Phoenix Paradise in which Laura's consciousness dwelt in between incarnations.  Her descriptions of it, particularly in the 1966/67 story, felt very "alive" to me, as if she were describing something she had really felt and seen.

Alas, the words of the spirit of David Radcliffe (was it David Radcliffe?) at that seance suggests that although Laura's progeny may go into the flames with her, she goes on to her Phoenixworld alone. (Am I hallucinating this scene with the spirit of the earlier David?)

This is about all I have the energy to write tonight on the topic.  The Phoenix and the Count Petofi story were perhaps the most original narratives DS ever produced, and the 1966/67 Phoenix story might have been the highpoint, atmospherically, of the entire series... well worth viewing multiple times.

G. 

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 I / Re: "Dank Shadows" returns
« on: April 21, 2012, 11:39:18 PM »
Episodes have continued to be added on a weekly basis, and we're now up to episode XXII (22).  We had our first glimpse of "Mangelique" today.  Horrifying!

G.

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