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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Sex in the Shadows
« on: November 18, 2012, 03:24:13 PM »
michael, the kind of thing you mention was, from what I have been able to figure out over the years, largely controlled not by the writers or producers, but by an office at the network that, if memory serves, bore the name "Standards and Practices."

I've just pulled out my copy of a book entitled "Dark Shadows: the introduction of Barnabas," a fan publication from 1988.  I was fortunate enough to be able to secure a copy when I first found the organized fandom in the early 1990s. (I may even have purchased it at New York's Forbidden Planet!)  On p. 132 there is a photostat (for you youngsters, that's sort of like a scan) of a memo headed ABC Dept. of Broadcast Standards and Practices, Eastern Division--New York.  I don't have the energy to type out the entire text, but the memo seems to imply that the script AND videotape for every episode of DS had to pass review by this office--essentially, an internal censorship board the network ran.  The photostat gives approval, with the proviso that corrections or suggestions as outlined be adopted, for the script, and mentions a screening report that would be issued once "the finished film" had been submitted for review.  (I frankly doubt whether the office had time to screen every episode of DS before it went out for broadcast, particularly on weeks when the schedule got tight between taping and broadcast, but who knows.)

This memo contains the often-quoted notation:  "Please ensure that Jason's wisecracks [to Willie, in a scene at the Old House] about 'light housekeeping' and 'the lady of the house,' as addressed to Willie are delivered so that there is no insinuation that Jason suspects a sexual relationship between Willie and Barnabas."  (One wonders if they were aware that many fans have seen the whole Jason/Willie thing as a thinly veiled sexual "friendship" with what appear to be bondage undertones!)

You can really tell that things have changed with what they were allowed to get away with, with the Yeagar character's Maggie obsession in 1970 and how Yeagar "expressed" it onscreen, and then the most dramatic change of all, when [spoiler]characters played by Jonathan Frid and Lara Parker actually went to bed almost in camera view, in circumstances that imply a rape (or at least some heavy coercion), in the PT1841 sequence.[/spoiler]  I don't know what the status of script review by the S&P office was at that point.

All this notwithstanding, speculation about hanky-panky between various characters is a lot of fun, and I'm enjoying this thread.  I also love it in 1970 when Carolyn informs anyone who cares to listen that "hypocrisy above all is the Collins family motto"--a great moment, in a GREAT storyline *wink*.

Cheers,

GothEEK

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Testing. 1, 2, 3... / Re: Posting Problem
« on: November 16, 2012, 04:43:42 AM »
The same thing has happened to me maybe 3 or 4 times over the years.  Most times when it happens, I just decide to take a break from the boards for awhile.  If I still feel moved to post again next time I'm on, I rewrite it.  Otherwise, I just let it slide.

Given how many posts I've made here, it's really a pretty low rate of incidence--less than one percent.  So I just take it as something that goes with the territory.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Mysteries of the Real Life Collinsport
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:55:56 PM »
Hi Retzev, I guess you missed the latest discussion of this in the Malcolm Marmorstein thread.  Quoting MB's Oct. 31st post there (I apologize for not using the site's copy and paste software--I looked for it but couldn't find it):

As for the actual creation of Barnabas on paper before Frid was cast, that honor would seem to go to Art Wallace. Robert Costello has said that Wallace created the character and came up with the whole backstory connecting him to Josette and Jeremiah, and that that backstory is what they went with during the entire '67 present day storyline (until it was completely thrown out the window during the 1795/96 storyline). And, well, there's also how Wallace's law suit against DC for a share of the profits from all the Barnabas/DS merchandise was settled in Wallace's favor - and that wouldn't have happened if Wallace hadn't had a provable claim to Barnabas. (end quote)

I don't know anything more about this event other than what MB has shared in this, and previous posts.  Art Wallace's success in this suit is the reason why Wallace gets a credit every time another redaction of DS hits the screens.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Mysteries of the Real Life Collinsport
« on: November 15, 2012, 02:57:05 PM »
Pace the whole Barnabas snarl, it would really help if we could see whatever it was that Art Wallace produced as an outline or treatment that led to his victory in the court case MB has mentioned.

I have never heard or seen any material on the case beyond what's been presented here on the Forum, so I don't have a clue.

It may be that Wallace wrote a treatment for "Jared Collins" appearing as a "cousin from England" ... and the name for the vampire was eventually chosen/changed in the meeting Bob Costello remembers.

I doubt whether anyone other than Dan Curtis or Art Wallace (but only after the court case) made much money off of their work on the Barnabas character. 

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 13, 2012, 05:03:38 AM »
Latarnia posted three good screen shots of the new hoDS disc here (look for page 6, middle of page, in this thread):

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/42499/master/1/?page=6#.UKHFGY7FXu0

He gives comparison shots from what he says is an Italian DVD--it looks a lot like the previous iteration we've seen of the movie, although I haven't seen the version Amazon offered for streaming/download.

I have to say the color, particularly on the third shot (Maggie lying on the altar from the final sequence of the movie) is stunning.  It actually looks a lot more crisp than what I recall from what was shown in the local movie house in Aberdeen Maryland in 1970.

G.

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Current Talk '12 II / Re: Discuss - Ep #0336
« on: November 12, 2012, 01:05:06 AM »
Yes!  I remember that 1795 promo appearing on the correct place in the tapes. It's too bad they goofed with the DVDs but this was the period (for the discs) when MPI wasn't apparently doing anything (or much of anything) around quality control in terms of the company authoring the discs--and a lot of bloopers were "cleaned up" and edited out, to the dismay of fans.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 11, 2012, 11:18:14 PM »
Thanks, Darren.  As I am sure I have mentioned multiple times, I own the laserdisc and my VHS tapes of the films are sourced from that.  The friend who made the tapes for me (I have never owned a laserdisc player) was kind enough to include the trailer from each disc. 

Even then WB home video was cheap, lazy, and disrespectful of these films.

Just calling it as I see it.

Steve

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 11, 2012, 10:19:46 PM »
Golly, Darren, you sure do know how to get an old fan excited!  I'm sitting here salivating over the thought of that 9 second shot from the lost poolhouse sequence.  Of ALL the lost sequences in the two films, I think that is the one I really wish had been salvaged.  The shots from it that we do have are incredible...

It comes as no surprise to read that WB home video missed the boat even with the NoDS trailer.  I presume that the hoDS trailer held no surprises, but, if there are comments to be made, you know I would love to hear them.

Best, Steve

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 11, 2012, 09:21:52 PM »
Let the Devil take his own!

lol...

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 10, 2012, 02:26:34 AM »
Dear God.  Now THIS is horror.  But thanks again, Darren, for giving us such a beautifully detailed (if excruciating) account of what's been happening with this title.

I know I'm one of the few who feels this way, but etched in my head right now is FDR's voice intoning "2012 ... a date that will live in infamy"--at least insofar as the history of DS is concerned.

G.

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My apologies for an off-topic announcement in this thread; I think there are some fans here of the old "The Avengers" TV series from England in the Sixties, the one co-starring Patrick Macnee and Diana Rigg.  I just heard through the grapevine that the "Steed and Mrs. Peel" comic book series has been revived.  There are a couple of 2012 entries on Amazon and one for next May (maybe the latter is meant to be the first few issues collected in graphic novel format).

Just giving the heads-up here for any fans who might be interested.  I had heard nothing about it, but would like to check it. The 1991 redaction, though written by Grant Morrison, had inferior artwork and I couldn't get past that.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 08, 2012, 09:38:50 PM »
How utterly maddening.  But thanks for the eclaircissement, MB.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 08, 2012, 06:29:47 PM »
Hey dom, you could try the local library.  Ask if they can get the discs via Interlibrary Loan (ILL) if the local branch doesn't carry them.  I would bet dollars to doughnuts they could get the films for you.

hugs, Tuffie

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Calendar Events / Announcements '12 II / Re: The Crothers Brother?
« on: November 06, 2012, 04:32:12 AM »
That is lovely to hear about, Uncle Roger.  Thanks for sharing this.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Re: hoDS/NoDS DVD Release?
« on: November 06, 2012, 02:39:37 AM »
OK, now THIS is exciting:  the fabulous RJ Jamison, author of the DEFINITIVE biography of Grayson Hall, has reviewed the hoDS/NoDS discs in the new issue of SCREEM magazine!  Yay!

cheers, G.

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