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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / Terror at Collinwood
« on: May 02, 2021, 03:11:24 PM »
Our very own and much beloved Penny Dreadful has begun a new DS podcast: TERROR AT COLLINWOOD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irvY8PAuueQ&list=PLkKN4d4hugdPuC5Fqbsr_xyehJzIwkZSF&index=94

There's a website for the podcast, too:

https://www.terroratcollinwood.com/

Themes from the first episode include Penny's memories of how she got into DS thanks to her extremely cool Uncle Vlad (!), her discovery of DS fandom in the 1980s, general thoughts about the series and its relationship to the genres of the Gothic tradition and supernatural terror in literature and film, and her conviction, which she argues brilliantly, that DS was NOT CAMP.

cheers, G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Episode 197
« on: April 25, 2021, 05:02:07 PM »
A few days ago I viewed DS episode 197 and was startled to see on the production slate that this was marked, and announced as, take TWO of this show. I can't recall having seen that in my current viewing which began with episode 123.

I wondered if this was a rare instance where the tape broke while they were taping. I noticed what seemed like an edit towards the end of the episode--I think it was a scene between Roger and Jason in the basement.

It's been funny watching these shows to recall that a lot of the stuff I've read about the series described the weeks immediately prior to the arrival of Barnabas as so abysmally slow and boring that the ratings were plummeting. Notwithstanding those repeated statements, my experience has been that the episodes of February and March of 1967 have proved to be among the most exciting I can ever recall seeing in any storyline of the show. Now I'm wondering whether it was true that the ABC network suits had issued an ultimatum to Curtis regarding the fate of the show. They were making some changes to their schedule around this period, so I suppose it is possible. But if it happened, it certainly wasn't because the show was somehow "boring."

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / The Secret of Laura Collins
« on: April 15, 2021, 06:51:53 PM »
Dear fans,

A few weeks ago, I started re-watching the original 1966-67 Laura Collins storyline, beginning with the episode in which Laura first arrives at the Maggie Evans Coffee Shop (as I have come to think of it). I've really been enjoying this, in part because this is the first time in decades that I've been watching DS on a regular daily basis. My delighted discovery is that I love the show more than ever.

A few observations: First, despite what you may have read or been told, Malcolm Marmorstein was a REALLY good writer. Based on his Laura scripts, I'd rate him up there with Violet Welles and Joe Caldwell. Maybe Marmorstein's early Barnabas scripts--his final period of writing for the show--weren't up to the gold standard of his work on the Laura storyline; it's so long since I viewed those early Barnabas shows that I can't comment (but I might be able to do so eventually, if I keep watching). In an interview on one of the MPI DVDs, Marmorstein revealed that during his final month or so of writing for the series, he had gone out to LA for an extended stay. In the interview, he said that he did this because his wife told him she needed a vacation from living in NYC. Evidently, Bob Costello and others interpreted Marmorstein's month-long sojourn out on "the Coast" as his looking for another job--and that may have in fact been in the case, but Marmorstein claimed it wasn't. All that notwithstanding, nevertheless he revealed that when he was told that his association with Dark Shadows was at an end, Marmorstein immediately began working on Peyton Place. He claimed in the interview that this was a fluke which occurred thanks to a chance conversation, but it's certainly an interesting development. He actually said he didn't miss a single day of work between composing his last script for Shadows and his first one for Peyton.

In my previous viewing of the Laura saga (which I recall as having been patchy and intermittent), I'd definitely picked up that elements of Laura's storyline were re-used for the Cassandra storyline. Now that I've been watching it all properly, in a regular, orderly manner, I'm struck by how much of what was done with early Barnabas and subsequent supernatural storylines during the 1967-1969 period was established by specific plot features and structures of the Laura storyline.

We have a mysterious blonde relative who unexpectedly shows up in town with a problematic backstory. We have multiple incarnations, or are they incarnations, of the same person over a period of 200 years. We have a major character being proclaimed as "one of the Undead." We have a seance, which leads to yet another seance. We have the ghost of Josette Collins, heralded by the smell of jasmine perfume. We have the Undead character's obsession with an important family member. We have a threat to David. We have dreams of occult significance, though so far the dreams are only described, not staged. We have mysterious portraits with an evil influence. In one scene, Laura even gives David a music box, though it has not been referred to in subsequent follow-up shows.

There's more, too. But since so much of this was written by Malcolm Marmorstein, I definitely get why he felt he should receive credit for inventing the Barnabas character. So many of the elements seem to have been re-used, in a shifted or modulated form, from how he wrote Laura.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Fifty years ago
« on: April 02, 2021, 04:21:07 PM »
Greetings, fans,

I still remember this day 50 years ago today... this year, April 2 is again a Friday.

Back then, each day I kept waiting for the story to go back to 1971 so we could see what Barnabas and Julia were doing. But when Thayer's fateful voiceover came on at the end of the episode, I knew it really was the end.

Five years later, the series started running in syndication in my local market (on a Philly based station, in point of fact) and it was a new beginning, particularly since I had never seen any of 1967. I'd started watching in late June of '68.

And this morning, I watched Dark Shadows again--currently viewing the 1966/67 Laura storyline.

Remembering,

Gothick

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / Violet Welles Interview
« on: February 26, 2021, 07:39:02 PM »
For those who haven't seen it, here is the only interview I have ever been able to find with DS writer Violet Welles. I consider her and Joe Caldwell the most talented and distinguished of all the people who wrote for the show.

https://darkshadowseveryday.com/2015/08/30/interview-violet-welles/

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / Harriet Rohr photo
« on: January 29, 2021, 05:57:10 AM »
Hi gang,

Tonight I've been watching the show for the first time in quite a while. I noticed Harriet Rohr's name and found myself musing that I'd never heard much about her... or anything really.

There are a couple of photos that are identified as being of her on the Getty Archive pages. This is one of the better ones. She's the younger woman standing next to Lela Swift, who is giving notes to Louis Edmonds.

https://www.gettyimages.dk/detail/news-photo/harriet-rohr-lela-swift-news-photo/109411277

G.

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Fans, this link was posted to one of the DS groups on social media this evening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqeuvdumHg4

Cast includes John Karlen, Adam West, Mark Goddard and Tige Andrews.  All of whom became very popular later on in the Sixties.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / DS 1991 30th anniversary
« on: January 11, 2021, 11:07:04 PM »
Veteran fan Joe Integlia posted on social media today celebrating the 30th anniversary of the debut of the 1991 DS series. Just thought I'd share that with fans.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / Mistress of Collinwood
« on: December 12, 2020, 05:20:18 AM »
For some reason, I'd never seen this 8 minute edit of the DS alumni remembering Joan Bennett--shot, I believe, around 1991.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up4sfnJD0BY

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / OT: Time Tunnel
« on: October 28, 2020, 10:04:57 PM »
Evidently, back at some point earlier in the century, somebody had the idea to do a re-boot of THE TIME TUNNEL which was another show of the Sixties I used to watch religiously. Unlike DS, I didn't think it aged all that well, but periodically I'll get out an episode to visit again.

I was just cruising you tube and noticed that this pilot was uploaded at some point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mETHT5npqOI

Haven't watched but I am curious. The pilot obviously wasn't picked up by whoever commissioned it.

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / Rare 1966 DS promo
« on: October 15, 2020, 11:17:45 PM »
I think one of the rare DS 1966 promos included as an extra on an MPI home video release last year is featured at the start of this otherwise rather silly video;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVrSWcSMymw

I have certainly never seen it before. Noteworthy for calling Collinwood "Collins House," which of course was featured in the early Dan Ross novels.

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / Count Petofi and the Maltese Falcon
« on: October 04, 2020, 12:47:47 AM »
Hi Gang,

According to the internet, it was on this date in 1941 that the film The Maltese Falcon had its premiere. I just watched a clip from this film of a dramatic confrontation scene featuring arch and enigmatic villain Kasper Gutman (played by the immortal Sidney Greenstreet) and his accomplice, the rather fey but lethal Joel Cairo (Peter Lorre). And I realized that somewhere in the back of my mind, I've been aware for years that the original characterizations of Count Petofi and his fey but lethal accomplice Aristede must have been inspired by these two. Particularly the Petofi characterization--in an interview, DS writer Violet Welles, who invented the character of the Count, mentioned that she'd thrown in a reference to him in an early 1897 script, and the character sort of grew and grew until he more or less demanded to be brought onstage.

Needless to say, the casting of Thayer David as the Count was a must--and resulted in some of the most brilliant and eccentric scenes of DS.

Count Petofi,wherever you are, I salute you! Remembering your words: "I know but one god... and his name is Petofi!"

G.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '21 I / CURSE OF DRACULA 1979
« on: September 18, 2020, 04:35:36 AM »
A fan edit of the feature film version of the 1979 serial CURSE OF DRACULA starring voluptuous Michael Nouri in the title role has been uploaded to you tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBH5mS5q-7Y

G.

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Current Talk '21 I / New York Times feature article on DS (original series)
« on: September 07, 2020, 03:45:11 AM »
For those who may have missed it--the site does allow 3 or 4 free views per month still, I believe. I don't have a subscription and I was able to read it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/arts/television/dark-shadows-stream.html

G.

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Fans,

Many of you have read this article about the shooting of a porno film at Seaview Terrace in 1975:

http://www.collinsporthistoricalsociety.com/2014/12/that-time-someone-made-porno-at.html

There is now an edit of the movie done by somebody who removed all the actual pornographic content, I guess for those who wanted to either see the story or to view shots of Seaview in the film:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Omc5tVNUmwA

The opening scene has a very DS look to it and appears to me to have been shot inside Seaview (but I don't remember enough about the layout of the house to specify which hallway and room). If you go to the 18 minute mark, there's a nice long tracking shot of the lead actor and actress walking across the lawn to a side of the house that was used a lot in the 1966 film segments on DS. It looks as if filming happened in early March.

In one of the outdoor scenes, the lead actor (playing a character named Jason) wears the same style of cape Barnabas had in the 1795 storyline. It does make me wonder if Damiano was a DS fan.

The plot is somewhat different from what was described in the NY Times review. The main difficulties I had watching even this truncated version were the awfulness of the script--completely artificial, unbelievable dialogue no actual human would ever say--and the awfulness of some of the performances, especially the lead actress. Either her theory was that her character was in a drugged state throughout the proceedings (which I guess would make sense) or she was chosen for her looks rather than her acting ability (of which she appears to have none).

Jason's butler Griffin is played by "Zebedy Colt" aka Edward Earle Marsh, an interesting cult figure in counter-cultural gay circles of the time. He recorded a florid album of showtunes and standards with the lyrics adjusted, in some cases. The theme of the album was one man's romantic quest to find his life partner in his nightly prowl through the bars. It's an interesting period piece.

G.

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