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« on: September 14, 2005, 07:23:08 PM »
Hey guys, my name's Doug and I'm new here, but I've been a DS fan for several years now.  I've actually kept lots of notes on many of the details of the show and even began making a detailed timeline of the series.  Recently, I've gotten the cool idea to start a Dark Shadows wiki to document all there is to know about Dark Shadows in all of its incarnations.  I've only just begun it, but was wondering if there were others out there who'd be interested in helping out with this project.  A lot of time and effort is needed to go into it, but every little bit helps, especially if we can establish a moderate sized community.  So, what do you guys think?
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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2005, 09:45:00 PM »
Welcome, proudhug!

I have to admit that I don't really know what the word "wiki" means.  There are exhaustive collections of material relating to DS--episode guides, cast lists (going down to the people who did the "frug-ons" in the 1966-67 Blue Whale scenes), storyline summaries, set blueprints, original taping and broadcast schedules, etc etc available both in the many publications of the "Pomegranate Press" founded by one of the actresses, AND online via hundreds of websites, Yahoogroups, the "Robservations" series showcased here, the DS FAQ site curated by Mr Juggins, and on and on.

All that said, there's always room for a new DS fan/discussion group.  Please do post a link to yours if you decide to start one.

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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2005, 09:51:05 PM »
I have to admit that I don't really know what the word "wiki" means.

It stands for "what I know is" and is a collaborative project in which any visitor can edit the material.

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2005, 12:07:56 AM »
Actually, according to http://www.wikipedia.org:

The name [Wiki] is based on the Hawaiian term wiki wiki, meaning "quick", "fast" or "informal".

I've never heard the "What I Know Is" definition.  Check out the Wikipedia for an example of a Wiki, Gothick.  There are also other wikis for TV shows such as Star Trek's http://www.memory-alpha.com.  Basically it's a massive encyclopedia which anyone can edit at any time.  If you've got time, I highly recommend exploring some wikis and getting a feel for them.

The DS one I've begun really has next to nothing there so far.  In order to establish the style and format, I'd like to get as much begun as I can before others jump in to help.  Right now, I'm just feeling around to see how many people would be interested in contributing.  Who knows, this may even eventually spring forth a whole new DS community and spark more interest and exposure for the show.  I have a couple of the PP books, plus several of the original novels and comic books, and I've read most of the major resource sites on the 'net.  The goal of the wiki is to cull as much information as possible into one location.
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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2005, 01:21:12 AM »
Actually, according to http://www.wikipedia.org:

The name [Wiki] is based on the Hawaiian term wiki wiki, meaning "quick", "fast" or "informal".

I've never heard the "What I Know Is" definition.

Some online encyclopedias define it as an acronym.  There are techies that swear by either origin.  Take your picki.  [wink2]

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2005, 02:32:27 AM »
Oops, that should be www.memory-alpha.org ... not .com :D
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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2005, 10:49:39 PM »
It sounds like a good idea, but my only thing is...what would you bring that we don't already have? Mr. Juggins' site has the DS FAQ, which is basically the definitive FAQ for the whole series, and Robin Vogel has her very insightful Robservations posted here. Even Luciaphil posts her thoughts on the episodes in her little area on here. Looking at that, the only thing I can honestly think of that isn't there are complete episode transcripts of each episode. What other things were you planning on adding?

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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2005, 12:26:15 AM »
It's not so much about what new stuff is brought to the table (although I know there will be plenty of new stuff since we're all discovering new stuff in the show all the time), but rather a collaborative effort to put together every conceivable piece of Dark Shadows information in one easy-to-navigate location.

Here are some examples of what would be there.

Episodes
You can go on to the site and find all kinds of information about a specific episode you've just watched.  There'll be the original dates of taping and broadcast, a synopsis, notes on the timeline, any memorable quotes.  There'll be a complete cast listing for the episode, including which episode each character and actor appeared in previous to that one and which one they next appeared in.  Same thing for the crew, certain locations or sets, or important props or items.  You'll be able to find out where the episode has been released on video or DVD. There'll be a complete list of bloopers people have found in the episode, or just any trivia or important notes of interest.

Movies, Novels and Comics
A similar format will be available for each and every movie, novel and comic book that's ever been published, including notes on how things differ from other sources.

Characters
Say you want to know everything there is to know about your favorite character, or a character you don't remember much about.  There will be an article for every character to have appeared on Dark Shadows, major or minor.  The article will detail every bit of known facts (including contraditions... where would DS be without a myriad of contraditions) about the person, complete with episode sources.  There will also be a complete list of appearances (episodes, novels, comics, etc.) for that character and which actor(s) played him/her/it.

Actors/Crew
The actors and the crew will each have thier own page with a list of the characters they've played, in addition to as much biographical information as is known about them.  There will also be links to official or fan pages, etc.

Locations & Other Items
Same as with characters, locations such as the Collinsport Inn or the Eagle Hill Cemetery will have a seperate article detailing all known information and important events that have occurred there and when.

Video and DVD
Each video and DVD release will have its own page, explaining when it was released and what content it provides.

Reference Books
KLS and Pomegranate Press have released tons of reference books for DS and its spinoffs.  Each one will have its own page, explaining the content, availability, etc.

Timeline
There will be a page for each year.  Under the year, it will document every important fact that occurred within the show, either on-screen or mentioned in passing.  Also, real life things will be listed there, seperatly, for example, airings of shows, convention dates, actors' birth or death dates.

Plus much, much more... literally whatever anyone can imagine people would want to read about.  This will cover all things Dark Shadows, including all three TV incarnations and all of the spin-off material.  Keep in mind though that this is meant to encyclopedic, meaning that there won't be reviews or opinions on things.  Speculations on things should only be mentioned as asides (and labeled as a specualtion) and only appear if we all feel it's important.
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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2005, 12:44:14 AM »

 This sounds like a great, if daunting, project!  Cool idea! 
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2005, 12:46:17 AM »
Yes, it is very daunting.  It takes a LONG time to get off the ground, but once a community of editors is established and most of the core structure is laid out, it becomes quite fun to add little things here and there.
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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2005, 02:46:34 AM »
I am personally not at all enamoured of the idea that I would write something for this, then have some other individual go in and "edit" it with a lot of mistakes and bad writing.  (You have to be aware that those of us who have been here for awhile have seen a lot of misiinformation about this series aired--some of it was in the DS entry in Wikipedia the last time I looked.)

So, this is not for me, but I hope you and your friends enjoy it.  And, obviously, hope to see you posting more on this board.

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Re: Collinwiki?
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2005, 02:47:48 AM »
It would seem to me that the very first person needed in this enterprise is an attorney with expertise in  Copyright issues. Surely groups who create this sort of project run into that problem right from the start....no?   ???
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2005, 02:55:42 AM »
Well, the beauty of wikis, and the whole reason they work, is that all previous versions of each article are saved, so if a page is vandalized or altered into something wrong or messy, it's a simple matter of changing it back.  Also, each article has its own discussion page so people can question the validity of a piece of information before (or after) posting it, or make suggestions before jumping right into anything big.

I'm not trying to convince you to do something you don't want to do, of course, and I'm sorry you don't want to be involved.  Of course you might change your mind in the future, I suppose.  This is a project I've planned to do for a while now and gosh darn it if it takes me 20 years to do it all myself, it'll be done! ;)  But since the whole purpose of a wiki is to pool resourses, so to speak, of course I had to ask around the DS community for help.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2005, 02:58:09 AM »
It would seem to me that the very first person needed in this enterprise is an attorney with expertise in  Copyright issues. Surely groups who create this sort of project run into that problem right from the start....no?   ???

How so?  Unless you're making transcripts or selling the information in some form, I don't see how any of it could be illegal.  There exist many wikis of this type and to the best of my knowledge there has never been any problem.  There are pages you can look up on wikipedia about uploading copyrighted text or images... neither of which we'd be doing.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2005, 06:35:41 AM »
Unless you're making transcripts or selling the information in some form, I don't see how any of it could be illegal.

I'm afraid this isn't true.  In the US, any work with even a minimum amount of originality is automatically copyrighted, and the right to distribute or reproduce it belongs exclusively to the copyright holder.  Opinions expressed on these boards, for example, are protected by copyright law.  Helping oneself to any work that's protected by copyright, even if its not for profit, is an infringement of the copyright owner's rights.