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Offline borgosi

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What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« on: April 22, 2011, 02:38:15 AM »
In your opinion what makes Dark Shadows, Dark Shadows?

Let's face facts, the original paperback series, the original comicbook series, the newspaper comic series, had nothing to do with the original story lines of the show. So what made the show special? Was it the setting, the monsters, the gothic love stories, the writers, the actors, was it Dan Curtis?

Another way to ask the question is, is there anything they can do that would make you say "WTF!? That's not Dark Shadows?!" Not just with the new movie but in a new comic or a new series of books. If Stephen King wrote a DS book could he write something that would cause you to say "That's not DS!"?

I just want to know if there's a line that could be crossed. Is there a "too far"? Would you be ok with a DS porn movie or a DS slapstick comedy? Maybe adult DS novels or an extremely gory DS video game? Are you willing to go out on a limb and say "If they do that....I'm out."? Maybe an incest story with David and Carolyn? Maybe a rape or child abuse story?
Any of these stories could bring new fans to the original show. So what would go to far? What is DS and what would cause you to say "Not in my DS"?
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Re: What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2011, 02:53:55 AM »
Maybe "Dark Shadows In Space"?
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Re: What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2011, 03:50:25 AM »
I actually saw the Munsters porn flick and laughed so hard I couldn't breathe.
I think a DS porn spoof would be fine, they just did XXX takes on Star Trek & Lucy!

As for the original, I have no idea why it struck my fancy. From the very first time I saw it in 1967 till today, I have loved Dark Shadows.
I got into classic horror films & British period dramas because of it. Today I write about horror films because of DS.
I can't tell you why it enchants me so, but it sure did influence me!

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Re: What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 08:08:00 PM »
When I was a kid it was the monsters that drew me into those Dark Shadows. As I grew up and became an adult it was the gothic love story, the tell of an impossable love that made me stay in them.

I would be ok with a comic send-up of DS but it should never pretend to be DS. I love Young Frankenstein but Mel Brooks told us from the start that it was a loving comic send-up. It never tried to be part of those classic films and that's as it should be.

I'll never understand the idea of "re-making" classic films only to completely change them. An example is "Dawn Of The Dead". The only thing the "re-make" has in common with the original is a shopping mall, zombies and the title. It's not a bad movie on it's own and it's one of the better zombie movies but as a "re-make" or "re-imigining" it completely sucks.

If you made a movie call "Titanic"set on a spaceship and told a love story about a couple that crash lands on a planet and lives happily ever after  it would be kind of a silly title. I just think that if you go to far from the original story you should give it an original title. It's starting to feel that way with DS. If we watch this movie and when it ends we think "That was a great movie but what's it got to do with DS?" Then why call it DS?
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Re: What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 05:48:51 PM »
The Barnabas Collins storyline was my hook.  If they make his character totally unredeemable along with the fact that JF is not BC in the new movie might give me pause.  Porn, incest or other taboos would likely turn me off. I can't see JP playing a totally depraved Barnabas since it was one of his favorite shows as a youth.
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Re: What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 06:14:09 AM »
Great question, borgosi!  I can't identify a particular quintessential characteristic that signifies "Dark Shadows."  To me, DS is like a recipe; a combination of specific ingredients produces the desired effect, and the absence of any ingredient, or the addition of a different ingredient, will distort the effect.

I was drawn to DS because of the supernatural plots, but I've watched a lot of supernatural shows over the years, and they're not interchangeable with DS.  The plots, the actors, the style and tone of the show all taken together are what set it apart.  Anything sexually explicit or overly violent would not match the tone of the series and would not be DS proper, in my eyes. I don't even consider the two movies to be true DS for that reason (also, the characters' personalities don't even match the characters we know; only the actors and some of the names are the same).  Similarly, I couldn't get behind a hip, modernized retelling of the show, such as the 2004 WB series was supposed to be.  DS, for all the time traveling the characters do, is timeless.  Outside of a particular era (like 1897, where you hear references to Jenny Lind and Lord Kitchener), there's not much that specifically locks the story into a certain timeframe.  The stories are still engaging 40 years later and I feel very little sense of aging from them.  I don't think a show filled with the latest technology and deliberate pop culture references, like "Supernatural" or "Buffy," will stand up in another decade or two. 

As I've said elsewhere, I'm a purist so I'm going to view practically anything outside of the original 1245 episodes as a poor imitation.  Of all the sanctioned series spin-offs, I'd say the Big Finish CDs come closest to approximating the true spirit of DS, though some dramas definitely come closer than others.  I emphasize "sanctioned" spin-offs, because truthfully, I find fan fiction and other unauthorized adaptations of DS to be among the most accurate.  I can remember reading some fan stories (particularly Luciaphil and Tekkwryter's work) back in the early 2000s and thinking that the authors understood the characters better than the original series writers did.

I'll never understand the idea of "re-making" classic films only to completely change them...If you made a movie call "Titanic"set on a spaceship and told a love story about a couple that crash lands on a planet and lives happily ever after  it would be kind of a silly title. I just think that if you go to far from the original story you should give it an original title. It's starting to feel that way with DS. If we watch this movie and when it ends we think "That was a great movie but what's it got to do with DS?" Then why call it DS?

I completely agree!  When a property becomes altered beyond a certain point, it really should have a different title.  Otherwise, it's just a bald exploitation of the original property's name and reputation.

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Re: What is Dark Shadows?!?!
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2011, 07:57:43 AM »
Well, as far as "remaking" things go (as in "rebooting" or "re-imagining") I'd say to some extent that is the whole reason to so something again.  Why cast Gary Oldman as Dracula if all he's going to do is do an imitation of Bela Lugosi?  The first film of Murder on the Orient Express is very good, but the second went with a bunch of changes that frankly made for a better, more compelling film.  Ditto the series Battlestar Galactica.  I suppose the idea is to make something more accessible, to hopefully do it better, pursue a different take on things, etc.  One example I use is how the movie starring Humphrey Bogart called The Maltese Falcon was the third film of that tale (the first starred Bette Davis--no, not as Sam Spade).

As for What makes Dark Shadows Dark Shadows?  And excellent, even intriguing question!

On one hand, we have the basic elements.  The Collins family.  Supernatural goings on amid family drama on the estate.  Past secrets coming back to haunt the present, one way or another.  Every clan has some skeletons in their closet, but the Collins seemed to have a whole army of the things!  The characters we know--Barnabas, Roger, Liz, Carolyn, etc.  Storylines we recognize--the reluctant vampire, for example.

But I would go a step further.  Dark Shadows struck a chord in me particularly because it touched on that sensibility which in the 1960s was called "gothic" as in the novels of Victoria Holt and company.  It echoes back to works like Jane Eyre and Carmilla and Turn of the Screw as well as The Moonstone and  (to use a modern example) Fingersmith.  Collinwood is like a mansion one might visit in a dream--a comfortable but isolated labyrinth full of secrets--a place both familiar and alien in some way.

Almost everyone seems normal and often in some sense nice enough.  But the brother and sister who head the family each believe themselves to be murderers.  One has a son seething with resentment, not least because no one believes him about the weird goings-on in his home.  Another has a lonely teenage girl with a masochistic streak.  The governess doesn't know who she is, quite literally.  The local doctor has an agenda very different from the welfare of her patients.  The charming cousin is a predator, albeit a reluctant one.  The local artist is an alcoholic and a perjurer, his daughter a brainwashed rape victim, as is her boyfriend.  In other words, not only does the house and grounds contain secrets, so do the characters.  Every.  Single.  One.

But there's more to it than that.

Apart from the props, the familiar characters, the trope of all those secrets and people trying to keep/discover them, there's also a flavor to Dark Shadows, one somewhat Victorian and yet American, one that tastes of Autumn and Winter rather than Spring or Summer, something rather Yankee and intense--with metaphors and archetypes we all recognize.  The matriarch.  The dillitente.  The rebellious teenager.  The byronic hero.  The woman scorned...