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Discuss - Ep #0287
« on: August 29, 2012, 01:28:57 AM »
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Re: Discuss - Ep #0287
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2012, 08:04:06 AM »
We get two instances today of Julia attempting to persuade an unwilling Collins to allow her to delve into the history of the Collins family.  The bait she used on Elizabeth was the possibility of controlling the information that gets out to the general public; the bait she used on Barnabas was the possibility that she could provide him with new information.  She failed both times.  What is interesting is the difference between Julia's demeanor during the two attempts.  She was more conciliatory towards Elizabeth, and more challenging towards Barnabas.  I didn't start thinking about this until after I had finished watching the episode, and then I started wondering how much of the difference was in the script and how much was in the acting.  I couldn't remember any exact words in the script, but the indications for Julia's feistiness towards Barnabas were clearly there: in the fact that Vicky didn't come along with Julia to the Old House to introduce Julia formally to Barnabas and thereby soften the edges of the meeting, and in the fact that Julia was offering Barnabas information about the family when she had every reason to believe he had all the information he wanted.  And Grayson Hall played it up wonderfully.

Meanwhile Barnabas couldn't bring himself to bite Vicky as she lay vulnerable and tempting in Josette’s bed.  I was thinking yesterday that he's got a problem: if he likes a girl enough to turn her into Josette, then he likes her too much to hurt her, but if he doesn't mind hurting her, then she's not Josette material.  I'm sure he would have no qualms of conscience about biting Julia, kidnapping her, and dunking her in vat of jasmine perfume, but alas! however hard Julia might try, something would be missing from Barnabas’s vampire bliss.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0287
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2012, 02:47:28 PM »
I think Elizabeth has a point....Vicki romanticizes the past too much and she does need to hear about the harsh realities of how it really was. And also that Vicki probably won't be too grateful for having her eyes open. But then again I'm not so sure that Vicki won't still find a way to believe the long days gone by in centeries ago were still extraodinary, no matter how much bad stuff she may ended up helping 'Miss' Hoffman dig up.

So Barnabas and Julia meet....despite his refusal to help her, she seems confident that they will talk again soon. One sees he can sense she's going to be a problem, despite his telling her no. He's not used to being around such a strong-willed woman, and at this period of time he doesn't appreciate it. Julia however is determined to stick around until she gets what she goes after.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0287
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2012, 03:50:20 PM »
Vicki enthuses to Willie about how peaceful her night was, but she is immediately suspicious that he's backsliding when he asks her if she thought anyone was in the room with her. Willie protests his innocence in the strongest possible terms: I offered to take you home last night, remember? You know I wouldn’t hurt you. I wouldn’t want anyone to hurt you. Vicki relents and acknowledges, I actually felt safer in Josette’s room than I’ve ever felt in my life. Somehow Willie manages to hide his reaction.

Meanwhile, Elizabeth strenuously refuses to let "Miss" Hoffman write a history of the Collins family, even though Julia suggests it would give the family--and Elizabeth in particular--control over whatever information  reaches the media. (One wonders what kinds of tweets would be circulating around the town!) But Elizabeth is still haunted by the memory of her own long imprisonment and torment.

Julia watches and listens intently as Vicki describes how safe she felt at the Old House. Later, like Barnabas, she sits back and lets Vicki be her advocate in persuading Elizabeth. Vicki argues that telling the truth about the legends would weaken them--and besides she wants everyone to know what a Great Lady Josette was. Finally, after Julia has left, Elizabeth decides to let her write the history after all. She'll even let Vicki help, hoping that that will puncture Vicki's over-romanticized idea of the past. Vicki thanks her enthusiastically. Don’t thank me yet, Elizabeth says dryly. Up until now, the past has been sort of a dream for you. Now it might become a reality, killing the dream. Has anyone ever thanked anyone for the death of a dream?

This is Barnabas and Julia's first meeting (HOORAY!), but already we can almost see the sparks fly between them. Julia carefully examines the portrait of the "twentieth-century" Barnabas and promises Willie that she'll take the blame for intruding. Julia and Barnabas go through the motions and shake hands. [I suppose he has some way of simulating normal body temperature or otherwise disguising the undead coldness of his touch. Or maybe Julia simply makes a mental note of it without any outward reaction.] Then she sits without being invited to by the Master of the Old House as she offers him various inducements to let her help.  I’m just not interested, Barnabas says bluntly. No one who lives in this house could be uninterested, Julia says, but she finally takes the hint and gets ready to leave. I hope I’ll see you again soon, are her parting words to Barnabas. He stares after her, tension and hostility radiating from his every pore.

I know these are long posts, but these are such great episodes, full of character explorations!

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0287
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2012, 06:48:40 AM »
It's interesting how frumpy Julia is in comparison with the women of Collinwood. T seems that Elizabeth is always reluctant to try anything new, but with enough persuassion she eventually caves in and goes along.
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Re: Discuss - Ep #0287
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2012, 06:59:13 AM »
T seems that Elizabeth is always reluctant to try anything new
Except clothes?

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0287
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2012, 04:13:05 PM »
Elizabeth has a really classic style, which JB brings off beautifully. Even when she was a prisoner in her own home for all those years, Elizabeth was always impeccably turned out. And we know she didn't have a maid to help her, either.