Discuss - Ep #0703

[Midnite]

But one question still stands: Would Quentin have been able to slash Barnabas's head off? Or... would it not have been possible, and the sword would have just gone right through his body (like it would in a hologram or a ghost)?

I'll take a stab at it.  Ugh, sorry.

1897 Barnabas is neither ghost nor hologram.  That's Barnabas' [undead] physical body inhabited by his 1969 intelligence or astral self.  It's different from the religious (?) experiences we hear about of immaterial beings that occur on an astral plane.  So you CAN kill the body, though what would happen to his astral self while there's still a body in 1969 would be up for debate.

I doubt that Quentin, even at this ruthless stage in his life, would have attempted to cut off his head, or for that matter I suspect he wouldn't have had the strength.  (And, as explained in Zahir's "Rules of DS Vampires" on this board, we're never told that cutting off a vampire's head to destroy it is one of them.)  But anyway, wasn't Quentin's threat that he would run him through?  I think it's questionable that he would have actually done it, but if he had, I'm imagining that Barnabas would have to fake a mortal wound, or for fun I'm seeing a Holy Grail/Spamalotesque skit (which I can't spell out cuz it would be fan fiction) that would be along the lines of Quentin announcing that B is dead and Barnabas saying that he's not and Quentin saying that he just ran him through with the sword and Barnabas saying that Q missed him... etc.

[EmeraldRose]

LOL!

Thanks for the explanation, Midnite. You really got to the point. 

----- Sally -----

[MagnusTrask]

Ow!

[Pansity]

I love Magda, too. She's my favorite of Grayson's characters. She sure was being gutsy when she put on a show for Quentin and Judith to alert them of Barnabas's arrival. She should have known that Barnabas would find out.

Got to love Magda -- playing both sides against the middle so they're covered no matter how it plays out.

The scene when Quentin pulled the sword on Barnabas was very exciting. Barnabas really looked scared!snow_shocked]

Yes that scene was nicely played, and lol no crockery was broken this time.  Barnabas DID look terrified. And Quentin looked like a cat playing with a mouse.  My guess is he did some of his quick thinking and realized from his own travels what pieces didn't fit. He had no clue what's up of course, but being the sweet trusting soul that he is    wasn't taking any chances that something would come back and bite him.

OH and did anyone else spot what looked like the Petofi box on the mantel under the portrait?

So now Quentin found out that Beth brought something into town, including a huge sum of money. It was entertaining to watch Beth be cagey with him and not tell him what was going on.

Loved those scenes, the early Beth with a backbone. She's one of the few people gets away with standing up to him. So much is made of her being the crying,put upon victim, it gets overlooked that she does NOT take crap from Quentin at the beginning -- and over time that seems to make him want her respect. I also noticed that after she slaps him and he asks her if it's guilt or anger, she says anger, and her voice is shaking like she's one of those people who, when they get totally furious, tends to cry.

LOVE Joan Bennett's costumes and hair.  They are so right for the period and her social class.  Ramse Mostoller is still credited for costuming.  I'm sure I remember somewhere that she did costumes for one or more of the Merchant Ivory movies, or am I misremembering?

And a costuming glitch which I did notice was Quentin's suit.  The greyor navy frockcoat and vest keep being worn  with very light grey trousers during these eps.  Wonder what the rationale was?  Late Victorian males went for the dark and matching look for suits, not like the 1840s with the pastels.

Jeannie

[MagnusTrask]

Got to love Magda -- playing both sides against the middle so they're covered no matter how it plays out.

OH and did anyone else spot what looked like the Petofi box on the mantel under the portrait?

Loved those scenes, the early Beth with a backbone. She's one of the few people gets away with standing up to him. So much is made of her being the crying, put upon victim...

And a costuming glitch which I did notice was Quentin's suit.  The greyor navy frockcoat and vest keep being worn  with very light grey trousers during these eps.  Wonder what the rationale was?  Late Victorian males went for the dark and matching look for suits, not like the 1840s with the pastels.

You've made me take note of the fact that I've never understood the expression "playing both sides against the middle"-- the "against the middle" part, that is.   What or who is "the middle"?  Am I just overanalyzing?

I've been watching these episodes for the last couple of days, and yes, I did spot Petofi Box atop the mantle, and for once I was sure that it was Petofi Box and not The Box I Keep Mistaking For The Petofi Box (accept no substitutes).   this predates my earlier earliest pre-Petofi 1897 Petofi Box sighting, in the carriage house later.

I always think of Beth having backbone, except that everyone with a backbone has those circumstances under which the backbone is compromised.

I'm not given to costuming talk (and so much of the board is now devoted to it that I'm finding it harder to participate), but I noticed that you said pastels were big in the 1840s-- in Collinsport apparently that was only true in PT.