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Re:Other then DC, who created Barnabas?
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2004, 01:37:07 PM »

I've never been bought by the whole "threat of cancellation" story for 1967.  It sounds quite dramatic until you consider that they were given 26 weeks to raise the ratings - six months worth of episodes.  To me, that sounds like a pretty leisurely timeframe for a situation apparently so drastic.  It's waaaaaaaaay more notice than the show had when eventually was yanked in 1971.

People also overlook the fact that the show had already been renewed from its initial six month order in 1966 - that in itself suggests that it was doing acceptable business.  I tend to think that DS was it was renewed, just with more stringent expectations than before - not the outright make-or-break situation it's since been painted as.

Leisurely for today maybe, but I might have been a different story in 1966, I tend to agree with you there.  I don't pretend to know much about how daytime TV at that time was judged/rated by the networks, but I am sure it was more economical to renew with a mandate to raise the viewership than ax it unceremoniously and start from scratch on something else.

I have also never bought that the ratings were the reason for the show's cancellation.  It seems to make a lot more sense that the cast/production staff were more running out of steam/ideas than anything else.
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Re:Other then DC, who created Barnabas?
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2004, 02:26:47 PM »

I've never been bought by the whole "threat of cancellation" story for 1967.  It sounds quite dramatic until you consider that they were given 26 weeks to raise the ratings - six months worth of episodes.  To me, that sounds like a pretty leisurely timeframe for a situation apparently so drastic.  It's waaaaaaaaay more notice than the show had when eventually was yanked in 1971.

People also overlook the fact that the show had already been renewed from its initial six month order in 1966 - that in itself suggests that it was doing acceptable business.  I tend to think that DS was it was renewed, just with more stringent expectations than before - not the outright make-or-break situation it's since been painted as.

Leisurely for today maybe, but I might have been a different story in 1966, I tend to agree with you there.  I don't pretend to know much about how daytime TV at that time was judged/rated by the networks, but I am sure it was more economical to renew with a mandate to raise the viewership than ax it unceremoniously and start from scratch on something else.

Whether the show was facing cancellation or not, it is indisputable (as far as these things can be indisputable) that the vampire character was to be brought on temporarily, and that Mr. Frid understood that to be the case.  That this general plan of events remained in place for some time is borne out by the letters JoeyTrom mentions Frid writing in the summer (approximately three months after he started the show) that the character would be axed by September (and later, that this would happen in November).  The temporary nature of the character (even if the exact time allotted increased) is more germaine to the question of how much effort would have gone into creating the character than whether the series itself faced cancellation.  I guess I don't know enough about how the television industry works (or worked during this time, or how ABC handled things), but I don't see why the show might not have been given a six-month lease to see if ratings would improve.


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Re: my earlier "Character by Committee" post ... I forgot to mention Robert Costello's having supplied the name "Barnabas" to the character.   ;D

When all this evidence is weighed in, it really looks like the character of Barnabas Collins was developed as a collaborative effort.  That a character as interesting as Barnabas Collins came about as a committee effort truly surprises me -- I would have expected just the opposite:  one fell swoop of inspiration, with one creative mind responsible.

While it appears that Art Wallace deserves credit to some degree, his statement "I created Barnabas Collins" implies (at least to me) that he was the sole originator and developer of the character and doesn't suggest collaborative effort.  Why he would have said this if it wasn't the case (and it hardly seems possible given the other testimonies adduced here) leaves room for speculation.  I would suggest the possibility that his involvement had been forgotten, that he was exasperated by that, and that he perhaps exaggerated his role in the course of this particular interview as a result of the lack of recognition.  That's truly speculation.
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Re:Other then DC, who created Barnabas?
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2004, 04:37:27 PM »
They probably wanted to make the Barnabas character as interesting as possible, so they decided to do a backstory on him.  The series was in danger of being cancelled so they had nothing to lose.  They wanted to out on a high note.

I recall a Dan Curtis interview when he said that ABC wanted the series to do better in the ratings than it was and gave him six months to bring them up to where ABC wanted them.  The idea of going all out and bringing a vampire into the story was born.

You have to remember too that television writers want to stay employed. :)  I think for that reason it was in their best interest while Curtis was away in England to sit down and think of how to create an interesting, possibly more durable character.  Curtis wanted a shot in the arm for his series; the writers were looking for longevity and something interesting to write too.

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Barnabas remaining on the show for the long term apparently didn't happen until a short time prior to 1795 started.  I read some of Jonathan Frid's letters to his mother back in the summer and fall of 1967 (from a fan collection) and one letter stated he was to be off DS by September 1967, a later letter stated he was to leave DS in November 1967 and another later one said that they have decided to do an origin of Barnabas.

Yes. Once the character caught on and was "a keeper" they wanted to do a backstory.

Frid had make tenative plans to work at the Old Globe in the summer of 1967 as it had such a critically successful turn there shortly before.   From there he was going to follow his long aspiration of teaching drama at a univeristy or drama.

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Re:Other then DC, who created Barnabas?
« Reply #48 on: May 12, 2004, 04:45:07 PM »
Re: my earlier "Character by Committee" post ... I forgot to mention Robert Costello's having supplied the name "Barnabas" to the character.   ;D

When all this evidence is weighed in, it really looks like the character of Barnabas Collins was developed as a collaborative effort.  That a character as interesting as Barnabas Collins came about as a committee effort truly surprises me -- I would have expected just the opposite:  one fell swoop of inspiration, with one creative mind responsible.

Most television series are developed "by committee" and unfortunately so are many new plays and that includes the shaping of the key characters.  I am just guessing here but Ron Sproat undoubtedly knew the kind of actor Frid was since he had seen him perform in many productions at Yale Drama School.  Frid takes every role seriously no matter how small or how long it is going to last.  It doesn't mean any less to him because it's a short stint on a soap opera (and he doesn't even like soap operas) or a quick voice over.   The writers would then know they had an actor who had the kind of training in textured pathos to bring about a multi-faceted character if such a character were written that way.

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While it appears that Art Wallace deserves credit to some degree, his statement "I created Barnabas Collins" implies (at least to me) that he was the sole originator and developer of the character and doesn't suggest collaborative effort.  Why he would have said this if it wasn't the case (and it hardly seems possible given the other testimonies adduced here) leaves room for speculation.  I would suggest the possibility that his involvement had been forgotten, that he was exasperated by that, and that he perhaps exaggerated his role in the course of this particular interview as a result of the lack of recognition.  That's truly speculation.

It also is speculative abpout what he means by "created."  If he came up with the concept of having a vampire who didn't want to be a vampire but was cursed, then in that sense he did create the essence of the character that was later built upon.

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Re:Other then DC, who created Barnabas?
« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2004, 04:59:21 PM »

I'm having a hard time making sense out of several comments.  First, what does Nancy mean by "called the actor in for discussions on that point before the actor even made one camera appearance."

Can you explain what this means?

Sure, Vlad.  The writers were working on upcoming scripts and since Barnabas was going to be on for at least 13 weeks, they decided to call Jonathan Frid and ask him to come down to the studio and get his impressions on the character he had thus far.  He was going to be making his appearance the following week.   They wanted his input.  He was very surprised by that.

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And Nancy says she agrees with MB that one person probably cannot take credit, yet MB has stated, if I understand correctly, that he believes that Art Wallace does deserve the credit.

What I believe was being said about Art Wallace is that he created the essence of the character of Barnabas - outlined the sort of character he would be and that was the extent of it.  I can try to find out if Wallace was at that writers meeting Frid was called into.

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