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BLOOD TIES
« on: March 11, 2002, 08:38:11 PM »
SPOILER if you haven't read "Angelique's Descent"...


It might be interesting to bring up Angelique's heritage at this time. Never implied in the Series, but in Lara Parker's novel Angelique is Andre's daughter and Josette's half-sister. Had this been known or used as  a subplot might the turn of events been different ?(Andre took Angelique as an employee in his house much like Mrs. Stoddard did with Victoria Winters. Bringing them close...but not close enough. There is a similarity here between the charaters and, of course, this is where it ends. Each sits at different ends of the good and bad/evil spectrum.) We often wonder about Vicky finding out about her parents...What about Angelique if that situation allowed for it in the plot?
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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2002, 05:31:04 AM »
It would have been a very interesting plot twist had this revelation occured, but in all honesty, I don't think that Angelique would have cared that she was destroying her family any more than she cared about destroying Barnabas's.  In fact, learning that Josette was her sister might have made her hate the girl even more; we've seen how envious she is of Josette's status, clothes, wealth, etc.  Angelique would surely have been more incensed to learn that all of these things might have belonged to her under slightly different circumstances.  In any case, her only concern was to get Barnabas.  She was far more interested in posessing him than in bonding with a newly discovered half-sister, father, and aunt.  I don't think the knowledge would have had any positive effect on her at all.

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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2002, 06:52:48 AM »
I think status was a factor here.

SPOILER....

In the 1840PT we see how Catherine's marriage to Morgan reflects interest in status and brings tears to the eyes of Barnabas, who witnesses the scene when  Catherine tells Bramwell. That is when Barnabas relizes he really did love Angelique all the time not Josette. Perhaps if Angelique was not a servant and  the daughter of Andre DuPres (owner of a plantation in Martinique), Barnabas would have asked her hand in marraige. One has to wonder...
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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2002, 10:37:41 PM »
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Perhaps if Angelique was not a servant and  the daughter of Andre DuPres (owner of a plantation in Martinique), Barnabas would have asked her hand in marraige. One has to wonder...


I dunno.  When you look at all of the women in whom Barnabas had a romantic interest (i.e. pursued), they all pretty much fit a standard type, the S.Y.T.  The exceptions to this are: Angelique and to a lesser extent, Roxanne.

Regarding Roxanne, the version of Roxanne who kicked the start of his little crush off, was pretty much comatose when Barnabas decided he was in love with her and it is arguable that the other(s) who followed her appealed to him mainly and solely for their resemblance to the PT Coma girl.

So that makes Angelique the glaring exception in a long line of inanity and demure prettiness.

I have to wonder why.

What I get from watching Barnabas is that he is a cross between a Romantic and the worst of the Victorians.  He has an image in his mind of the ideal woman and it ain't Angelique.  I don't think it has zip to do with her social station in life.  From what we've seen of his interaction with her, there is no way on earth he could mistake her for weak, less than clever, or demure.  She's about as far from his image of the ideal woman as you can get--please note, I'm not suggesting that this is a bad thing; I'm not much for vacuity and passivity.

It's interesting too, Barnabas seems to be following very much in his father's example, i.e. marrying a pretty woman who he is going to put on a pedestal.  (Naomi, we should remember complains about not being allowed to do anything; she is meant to be decorative, to show off the wealth her husband has accrued).  Makes me wonder if he had married Josette, would she have ended up with an affinity for the sherry or ratafia and wondering what happened to her romantic lover of yore . . .

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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2002, 02:23:36 AM »
Luciaphil, you make an interesting and strong comment here. What is your opinion then about the 1840PT sequence that Barnabas witnessed and what message (if any) was it conveying?
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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2002, 02:43:18 AM »
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Luciaphil, you make an interesting and strong comment here. What is your opinion then about the 1840PT sequence that Barnabas witnessed and what message (if any) was it conveying?


VAM, can you refresh my memory here?--I can't quite recall exactly what Barnabas saw of 1840 PT (I have the tapes, so I'd be happy to go back and rewatch it, if you could give me some idea of when the scene you're referencing occurred :)).

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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2002, 03:09:21 AM »
It was the  1840PT scene where Catherine told Bramwell that she was marrying Morgan and why. Barnabas watching from beyond the doors had tears in his eyes. It was after witnessing this scene  between C & B that Barnabas came to the realization of his love for Angelique. I thought it  was a reminder to Barnabas that he selected Josette to be his bride instead of the person he really loved.  A money or status choice for him like Catherine. Perhaps, I was reading more into the scene...
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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2002, 05:22:23 AM »
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It was the  1840PT scene where Catherine told Bramwell that she was marrying Morgan and why. Barnabas watching from beyond the doors had tears in his eyes. It was after witnessing this scene  between C & B that Barnabas came to the realization of his love for Angelique. I thought it  was a reminder to Barnabas that he selected Josette to be his bride instead of the person he really loved.  A money or status choice for him like Catherine. Perhaps, I was reading more into the scene...


Well, I found the episode in question and watched it again  :)

I have to be honest.  I have a very hard time accepting Barnabas' turnaround and sudden realization that he loves Angelique--always have.  In light of what he consistently held against her and in light of her actions and behavior from day one of the character's arrival in Collinsport, it just never seemed plausible--too much garbage and pain between two people that was just never going to go away.

Looking at the scene, I'm not quite sure what the writers had in mind here as the impetus for the life-altering revelation/bolt of thunder.  It didn't come across to me at all seeing as how Bramwell and Catherine's conversation seemed to have absolutely no parallels to Barnabas and Angelique and it didn't come across in watching Frid either--I could be wrong, of course, but I didn't see tears.  

Soooo, I'm going to try and come up with an alternative rationale here, which might also explain why he got involved with Angelique in the first place.

Barnabas is drawn in two opposing directions, which are in turn personified by Josette/the clones and Angelique, and which both seem to have to do with his father (playing Freud here)

1.      The quest for the ideal.  The Better Homes and Gardens reality.  The good girl in an idyllic setting.  Being in love with romance.  I tend to be cynical about this because of how Barnabas reacted to the Josette clones; he was never really interested in them as people, in what they wanted.  He was content to talk at them and tell them what it was they wanted.  I'm really inclined to see this as Barnabas following in his father's footsteps, albeit with a psychotic twist.  

2.      The quest for the dramatic.  Sturm and drang.  Fireworks.  Being in love with the excitement.  Call it a reaction against staid New England life and the staid, conservative life that presumably he's had to live with those wild 'n' wacky folk he calls Father and Aunt.  I've always said that Barnabas was a drama addict.  Given a quiet situation, he invariably needs to make it worse.  Things going well?, he's got to change that.  Time to stay out of trouble and easy to do so, he'll find a way.  Well, in Angelique, he's got the danger, the excitement, all in one handy, package.  They will never be bored, however, anyone within a hundred miles is going to suffer, because these two can't contain their drama to themselves.

Returning to the status/social position issue.  Unquestionably, it's something that's a factor for Angelique in all her incarnations.  She spends a lot of time talking about how poor and insignificant she is.  You don't do that all the time unless it bothers you a lot.  And it bothers her.  Whether it bothers Barnabas is another question.  It's interesting that when he does act like a snob (due to an act of really stupid writing "Fine, take the common name you bear," yeah,
"Margaret" a name borne by queens, royals, and aristocrats for centuries, very common), he's older and acting a lot like his father (again the wackier and more insane version).  But now?  No, I don't think the fact that Angelique is the maid enters into the equation.  

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Re: BLOOD TIES
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2002, 06:42:07 AM »
Thanks-You established some sound reasons here. That Catherine & Bramwell scene always puzzled me. I thought it was suppose to mirror life with roles reversed.

(I said Barnabas shed tears but what I ment was that his eyes were watery.)
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