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Discuss - Ep #0277
« on: August 14, 2012, 02:48:57 PM »
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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 09:34:11 PM »
Willie sighs that no one cared about Jason. You did, Barnabas points out--but I'm sure he doesn't mean to be kind. Knowing he's been given an order, Willie promises to forget Jason--or at least never to mention him again, which almost certainly isn't the same thing.

As they talk, we see a sumptuous, pastel-colored satin period gown lying across Josette's bed. Unfortunately, we will never know what color it is, because we're still in glorious black and white.

To cheer himself up, Barnabas first thinks of giving a dinner party for the rest of the family, then decides it would be too formal. And heaven only knows how much it would tax poor Willie’s culinary abilities, especially since he probably has to prepare whatever meager meals he can manage for himself on the original wood-burning range! Fortunately the gown inspires the idea of a costume party instead.

It's very touching to see Elizabeth really smile when Roger reminds her she can go to the office in town to do the accounts whenever she likes. The reason you never left the house no longer exists, he reminds her--never guessing how right he is! And it's sweet, too, to see him in younger-brother mode, offering to take his big sister on a tour of the plant to see his improvements. They discuss the fact that Jason has left everything at Collinwood, from his expensive new clothes to his toothbrush. Roger wants to have Jason's room fumigated and gloats at the idea that his clothes will be donated to charity. After that,  I don’t think anyone ever mentions Jason again. And so ends the tale of Jason McGuire and the mystery of why Elizabeth never left Collinwood for eighteen years.

Barnabas and Vicki have a highly interesting conversation about the night and why Barnabas finds it lovelier than the harsh light of day. But in his efforts to sound Vicki out, he nearly gives himself away.

Barnabas proposes the costume party, but Roger has to cajole Elizabeth into going. Again he is very protective of her. Vicki seems surprised--disturbed--at the idea of wearing Josette's gown.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2012, 09:29:37 AM »
Interesting idea, Barnabas’s party.  Get together a bunch of people who see each other every day, and expect them to whoop it up.  Granted, there will be costumes, but that takes you only so far.  Granted, liquor will take you a little farther, but liquor takes the Collins family a little farther every day.  Maybe Barnabas should hire a clown.

In a way, Barnabas is inviting Vicky home to meet his folks, and I find that sort of sweet.  He can't take her hand and lead her through time to the era in which he was born, but he's doing the best he can.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2012, 05:00:35 PM »
That's an interesting idea, Lydia! "Meet the Parents" combined with partying like it's 1795!

liquor takes the Collins family a little farther every day.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2012, 01:37:25 AM »
Interesting idea, Barnabas’s party.  Get together a bunch of people who see each other every day, and expect them to whoop it up.  Granted, there will be costumes, but that takes you only so far.  Granted, liquor will take you a little farther, but liquor takes the Collins family a little farther every day.  Maybe Barnabas should hire a clown.

Yes, you're right.  In HODS we see a giant costume party with dozens of guests, and it works.  While both this one and the (even more pathetic) PT costume party are really just DOA and go nowhere.  An adult family playing dressup. 
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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2012, 06:15:29 AM »
In HODS we see a giant costume party with dozens of guests, and it works.  While both this one and the (even more pathetic) PT costume party are really just DOA and go nowhere.
I don't think that's a fair assessment of the parallel time costume party.  There were lots of outside guests invited to the party; it was an annual event.  We just didn't see the guests, or the party.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2012, 03:43:56 PM »
I'm not sure I'd say that even Barnabas's costume party goes nowhere. It has a few features of interest, if I remember rightly.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 02:35:41 AM »
Actually, In paralel time [spoiler]Quentin notes before Maggie comes down that other people were invited, but nobody showed up--apparently because Angelique was the real draw of the party in years past and no one cares now that she's gone.  And that is why it is pathetic--we don't see anything, any festivities, any guests--just Quentin screaming at Maggie and then storming off.  I beleive this was still HODS period, so even more pathetic since so many cast members were gone.  I can't really count things we didn't see as being part of the show when they were executed so badly on screen.   [/spoiler]
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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2012, 11:06:28 PM »
While I sympathize with Willie's sadness over the loss of his friend, I can't see any good reason why any one other than him should care over the loss of Jason had his death ever became public knowledge. Certainly the sheriff would have had to investigate, no matter how disgusted he was with McGuire. But certainly no one at Collinwood would have had reason to shed tears over Jason, certainly not Elizabeth of all people.

Elizabeth has been such a recluse for so long that I can see why she might have problems get adjusted to the fact that she no longer needs to be one...but if she's willing to let Roger guide her on a tour of the cannery, in town, off the estate, why should she be so reluctant to attend a party at the Old House, a house inside of her property? Bit of a stump for me on this one.

The day harsher than the night? Barnabas would have his work cut out selling me on that one....if Barnabas had all of a sudden been cured right then and there and had gone on to see the sunrise and live, I doubt he'd have been so critical of the daytime.

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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2012, 12:01:12 AM »
There is a view of the ocean and the moon  from the front door. The night is kind and soft according to Barnabas, but I think he is just trying To sell Vicikie on the idea. He intends to create a moment out of the past by throwing a costume party with the family members in original clothes and Vickie will be Josette. Elizabeth comments she looks like Naomi.
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Re: Discuss - Ep #0277
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2012, 12:16:46 AM »
Holding a Costume Party in a Mansion like Lyndhurst is a far more reasonable project than trying to create a Festive, Party Atmosphere in a Cramped TV Studio.  The Movie Set released Dan Curtis & Co. to tell the Dark Shadows Tale like never before. Dan had all the Space, Time and $$ that was never afforded him on the show itself.  He made the most of it and never looked back.