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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Voice of Judah vs. Judah Zachary
« on: November 11, 2003, 11:55:07 PM »
Okay, is there a spell check feature for these posts, ? lol!!    :P

Not yet, CyrusL, but there will be when we convert to the new version.  I don't think it would've helped you in this case, though. [wink2]

BTW, do you suppose Angelique could've benefitted from a spell checker? ::)

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Voice of Judah vs. Judah Zachary
« on: November 11, 2003, 11:50:51 PM »
Michael McGuire ... also appeared in numerous Law and Order type shows, usually portraying lawyers.

It's interesting that you said this, petofi, because I have been able to picture him in my mind arguing against Ben Stone on Law & Order (I'm an L&O junkie), but according to the IMDb he was not on that show so I assumed I had succumbed to the faulty memory sydrome.  Then today I saw the episode, and I KNOW that was MM, so I looked it up in tvtome and found that the role is attributed to Michael MAGUIRE.  And sure enough, the IMDb says the same thing, but they've both credited the wrong guy.  So I guess that's why a friend of mine refers to the latter as the Incorrect Movie Database. ::)

Anyway, it's a pity that you all missed MB's montage for the DS ep in question-- it had both a picture of Curtis under the hood and McGuire as Judah with the hood off.

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Welcome, Sandor!!!  It's GREAT to see you here!

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Where is Sandor . . .

The name was reserved for him.  Don't forget that I need to release it before it can be registered...

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:Thanks to Robservations...
« on: November 10, 2003, 07:14:29 PM »
when the will is read and Gabriel gets nothing, she (Edith), 'hoots/cackles'

The expressions captured in today's montage are priceless.

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Was thinking how I don't like Terry Crawford in any of her carnations

Or in any of her pansies or tulips. ;) Just teasing, sweetie; I know you meant incarnations.

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Edith sure is an eager little beaver to help out in Satan's service, isn't she? (No pun intended.)

Heh.

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says Gerard-- <snip> --no, I think it would be best if I just remained in the dark shadows.  (How often has anyone actually said that?)

I remember Roger mentioning "Collinwood and all its dark shadows" in a very early ep.  Sure took a long time before it was used again.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 09, 2003, 05:02:00 AM »
Whoa!  All this is new since I first read the post...

In Thursday's episode, Angelique told her gypsy servant that immediately after testifying against Judah Zachary, she had been granted "safe passage out of the country."  I think we are to see Miranda in 1692 as a fairly young girl, a teenager.  Leaving the American colonies as a young girl in 1692 and next appearing as a young girl in Martinique in the 1790s suggests to me that soon after leaving the country Angelique either made a pact with the devil who granted her eternal life, or, better -- as some later 1840 dialogue suggests, she may already have learned the secrets of eternal existence -- or was able to deduce them -- from the occult knowledge she had learned from Judah Zachary.  I find it tempting to think that Angelique joined the Du Pres household exactly 100 years after she left Maine, i.e. in 1692, appearing the same age as she did when she had gained the secret of eternal life ... let's say she was 17, for the sake of argument.  At that point she may somehow have gracefully aged naturally during her say, three years of service with the family, to her present young womanhood.

But Angelique died in 1796. She had powers, yes, but was mortal.

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Speculation?  Interpretation?  Maybe ... but so are the scenarios set forth by Ms. Resch and Ms. Robin, et al.  My version would fit the facts as well as other interpretations, but have the advantage of harmonizing the 1840 storyline which other interpreations conveniently ignore.

I thought you'd read Warren Oddsson's essay.

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An earlier poster didn't seem to understand why I would lend more weight to this later storyline's version of events, and I don't know what more to say without repeating myself.  The DS storylines progressed and changed, and when one version of events is later substituted for an earlier version (think of the early Collins ancestors and history referred to in the first few months of the series that we clearly must "forget" later) I think we're meant to accept the later version.

I think you give the writers too much credit.  Angelique's previous history consistently made sense, then we jumped to 1840 and it's as if they stopped caring about what came before.  And for me, that includes how her story concludes.

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Since so many people are willing to accept fan fiction, statements in interviews, skits, and novels written decades after the show, I don't understand the problem with going back to the show itself to see how the writers at the time either resolved things or the state of events that they finally left us with on the show itself.  What I don't understand is the vast majority of fandom (at least those expressing themselves on this forum) just ignoring what we're told in 1840.  It's as if 1840, clearly a major storyline within the series, holds no weight.  Even the series writers Lara Parker consulted with (I don't have the book with me so I don't remember which ones she consulted) were seemed unaware of the 1840 storyline events.  That's what I don't understand.

 :-X

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 09, 2003, 03:29:26 AM »
I'm sorry you've been sick with the flu, Midnite.  Hope you feel better soon.   :)

Thanks.

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Could the difference in interpretations be influenced perhaps by exposure to outside information, fan interpretations, etc.?

If you mean me, then no.  I read the books you mentioned but I'm not confusing them, I promise. :)

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To me most of the things you quote suggest that Angelique had been in service to the DuPres family for an unspecified amount of time -- perhaps a couple of years -- enough time to know Josette's wardrobe, beaux, etc.

Like you said-- different interpretations.  I think the animosity that built within Angelique isn't from a mere couple of years-- she told Barnabas she HATED Josette-- but that's my opinion.  We also seem to disagree on the significance of a few adjectives (child and very young) and I can live with that.

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Since Angelique's tearful, on-her-knees "performance" for the Rev. Trask contradicts even Countess de Pres' remarks concerning Angelique's mother, I wouldn't put a lot of trust in what Angelique tells him.  Her whole performance is a lie, and her presentation of herself as possibly an orphan (which is where I assume that you are getting that idea) seems more like a bid to elicit a sympathetic reaction from Trask than a factual autobiography

I knew you were going to say that. ;) I do put stock in that part of what was said to Trask.  Angelique knew perfectly well what was at stake (why else would she have painstakingly hidden her witchery from anyone not under her power?), and it wouldn't bode well for her if Trask spoke to the duPres family about her a second time and found a discrepancy in her personal history.  I also don't see how it contradicts Grayson's dialogue.

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Neither Countess du Pres nor anyone else says that Angelique was an orphan when she was hired into the DuPres household.  Entering into service with a family at a young age does not imply that she was an orphaned child.

Yes, the word orphan was never used to describe Angelique on the series, but Natalie did speak of her mother in past tense.

Anyway, I think that what Nicholas Blair said to Cassandra later in the story (that she was born in 1774) holds more weight in the Miranda/Valerie/Angelique discussion than all the clues that we have about Angelique from 1795 put together.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 II / OT - Reset Form
« on: November 09, 2003, 02:08:45 AM »
Oops, I think I erased the part I'm quoting???
 ???

If you haven't submitted the message yet, click Reset Form to make the entire quote(s) come back.  But if you've already typed your message at that point, be sure to copy your text first because it will disappear.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 II / Happy Birthday LAFB
« on: November 08, 2003, 06:39:16 PM »

Happy 18th

to LoveAtFirstBITE!  [bow]

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 08, 2003, 06:13:30 AM »
I have to confess that I do not remember a single instance in the series itself where it is said that Angelique and Josette grew up together.  I know this is the view taken by Marcy Robin and Kathleen Resch in their excellent "Island of Ghosts," as well as picked up by Ms. Parker in her novel.  It's possible that I could have missed these lines on the show somewhere along the way, but are you able to pinpoint specific episodes?

My first reaction to your request-- ACK!

But I was home with the flu today and pretty useless to do much else, so I managed to pinpoint several, but not all, the scenes.  I think you can get a good enough idea from these, however, that Josette and an orphaned Angelique grew up close together despite their different stations-- perhaps much, much too close.


#371 - Angelique has caused Barnabas to choke but feigns concern as she hugs Josette and offers to pray with her.  She later suggests the medal of St. Pierre in order to send Josette away so that she can be alone with Barnabas to torment him some more.


#373 - Angelique tries on Josette's Parisian-made hat and tells Ben, "She'll never miss it.  She's got lots."


#374 - Ben chastises Angelique for helping herself to Josette's perfume, and she replies, "Why not?  I've worn her clothes, stolen her suitors."


#380 - When Josette turns down her servant's wedding gift, Natalie reminds her, "Angelique has served you well."


#387 - Joshua informs Trask that Angelique "belongs to the duPres family."

The interrogation follows:
TRASK:  Have you been baptized?
ANGELIQUE:  No sir.
TRASK:  Why not?
ANGELIQUE:  My mother and father died when I was very young.
TRASK:  Why haven't the duPres family had you baptized?
ANGELIQUE:  I don't know sir.
TRASK:  I think you do know!


#393 - Naomi and Natalie are trying to guess the identity of the witch.  Naomi asks, "What about Angelique?" and Natalie replies, "It would make her more interesting.  But I think no.  I've known her ever since she was an uninteresting child."

Later¢â‚¬¦
Angelique tells Josette that Barnabas proposed to her.  Stunned, Josette tells her to stop packing because there's no need for her to care for her any longer.


#403 - Barnabas is furious with Angelique for what she did to Jeremiah, Sarah, and Josette; regarding the latter, she tells him, "I didn't want it to be so.  I was so sure I could change it.  I hated her.  For once, I would have something that belonged to her."


#443 - Peter asks Natalie what Angelique knew about witchcraft.  She answers, "Nearly everyone on the island knows something about it.  I never paid very much attention to her.  I hired her because she was very young and I felt sorry for her.  Her mother was not, shall we put it kindly, respectable.  She had a reputation for being a healer, she used herbs¢â‚¬¦ (PETER:  And potions?)  Yes.  Angelique was embarrassed by that though she and her mother were very close."

M.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:WITHOUT DARKSHADOWS
« on: November 06, 2003, 04:14:12 AM »
I typed it in my word processor.  I came over here intendind to do the cut and paste trick.  It doen't paste!  This works on other message boards, but not here!

Right click is disabled for security reasons, which isn't uncommon on posting boards, but that doesn't mean you can't cut/copy & paste text into your post.  Highlight and copy/cut the material in your word processing program as usual, place your cursor over the response window, select Edit in your browser's dropdown window, and click Paste.

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I'll try again (I saved that, but I can't save this)

The same works in reverse-- highlight the text on the forums, select Edit, then click copy.

Hope that helped.

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Current Talk '03 II / Re:How Did Angelique Get Her Powers?
« on: November 05, 2003, 11:22:16 PM »
I began to wonder: Did we ever learn with absolute certainty that Nicholas and Angelique hooked up in 1796 and she went directly from 1796 to 1968 and her Cassandra persona? Or is this, like so many other things, something we've all generally assumed?

Hmmm.  The last we saw of Angelique in the 1795 story, she was a ghost haunting Ben and Vicki until the latter was hanged.  Yes, it's only assumed that she went directly to 1968 to become Cassandra but if she had instead hung around wherever it is that ghosts hang out, I don't get how she could interrrupt her travels every year to return to Collinsport to check on Barnabas' coffin if she wasn't corporeal.  Anybody?

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 II / DS Fan Craig Hamrick - Great news!
« on: November 05, 2003, 07:09:57 PM »
Last week's surgery went very well, and his boyfriend reports that Craig is happy with the news he received (albeit sore!).  And his sense of humor is in full bloom.

I'm passing this along: "Please know that all of your thoughts, prayers, and good vibes have meant so much to Craig (and to me)."

Thanks for the update, David.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '03 II / Today's Calendar Event
« on: November 05, 2003, 06:56:46 PM »
[size=8]Happy Blood Day![/size]



It was nice of the DS fan club to provide the perfect excuse for buying red shoes!  :P[/color]

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